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[stephen tabone]

Thanks for your reply stephen tabone

One last question, what size of bankroll do you recommend using your strategy is it above or below 5000 Euro ...

Cheers

Your unit stake should be the same for many weeks before you increase. your unit stake amount is up to you but let's say you had $1,000 as a bankroll then your max unit stake should be $20 so $100 if your bankroll is $5,000 why so little? well because if you fit a few bad losses in a roll you will not lose your head. the aim is to win 3 units per day. $100 x 3 =$300 x 30 days (a month) = $9,000 therefore after a month your bankroll is now $14,000 therefore you can bet almost $300 a go. But myself, I'm on 200 per bet and have been for 3 months and feel no need to increase it. Also I don't want to draw attn and get kicked out, I don't want to be walking away with 5 or 10k a night, in most casinos you'll get banned. I blend in when its really busy and when I get my wins I'm away. I'm making bucks thus see no reason why I need to be flash and get banned. The casino will notice 30+ k going in someone a gamblers pockets in just one week, and over a year do you really think 1.5million will not get noticed as missing from their profits? Okay you could win in different casinos, as I do do, however I don't have the time to milk it proper but I really don't need the money per say. But I can understand how many others will have more time and want to be pro gamblers, well that's fine so long as they play it cool and avoid being detected. CASINOS DO NOT LIKE SYSTEM PLAYERS, MOREOVER USING A SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY CAUSES THE GAMBLER TO WIN!

By the way to anyone who does not believe in systems, (not that all of them work) 1. we are living in a solar system, and 2. If I told you to walk into a casino and bet on player every hand, or bet on red roulette every spin and you agreed to do so, is this not a system? Not that it will work, though it might for a bit. But systems are just ways to play, like some people play certain dates, birthdays etc on roulette therefore this is a system, rules of playing. My strategy works. It works good enough for a gambler to gain 3 units over time per day.

[ADulay]

After reading your post I bought the book in Kindle form.  I read it in about an hour.  I like most of the premise of your system but not sure I like the risk/reward aspect.  I will not give anything away, but I am willing to try it.

Thanks,

John

John,

   As my wife was trying to be nice or something, she purchased the Kindle version of TUBPBWS for me as a surprise and I got notice of it this morning when I logged on to my iPad.  Oh swell.

   I've warned her about buying things I "browse" when on Amazon but evidently this had the word "baccarat" in it so she "one clicked" it away.  Said something about it costing less than a hot dog and a beer at the casino.   It is also why I have all kinds of odd gadgets for the Glocks that I'll NEVER use.  Most of that stuff gets given away to people who think they need it.

   But I digress.  It's in my possession now so I'll see what it does.   For those of you who are curious, it is very close to Ellis' System 40 but eliminates System 40's strength on runs.   

   For the near future I will now run VDW/2 and TUBPBWS in tandem when anybody posts a live shoe here on the forum and report back the results.  At least you'll have some kind of benchmark.

  Also, I haven't actually purchased a baccarat book probably since before the internet and looking that old book, it does look like it was literally typed with an old Royal Selectric typewriter and edited into a manuscript.   Having just seen what passes for an internet Kindle "book" on baccarat, I may have to start publishing.

  So, when I have ample time, I'll play all new shoes posted running both methods, just for grins.

  AD

[AsymBacGuy]

I'd be more careful about changing the avatar Mike. :-)

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[AsymBacGuy]

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[Big EZ]

By the way to anyone who does not believe in systems, (not that all of them work) 1. we are living in a solar system

Don't forget the school system!!

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[alrelax]

The guy said he has all the money he needs and he is compelled to help others. You do not have to read his material and you don't have to like it but how about letting the guy have his space and help others as he said, if they want it??  Why so derogatory? Thanks AL-RELAX

[Eight Iron]

   For the near future I will now run VDW/2 and TUBPBWS in tandem when anybody posts a live shoe here on the forum and report back the results.  At least you'll have some kind of benchmark.


  AD

Are VDW/2 and TUBPBWS flat-bet systems?

Appreciate it if you could run any of these live hand shuffled and dealt shoes.  I was only +4 gross for all three combined.

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[stephen tabone]

I went over it very quickly because I'm my way out, might be a couple of mistakes here and there, will double check later, but here are the results, overall less banker tax, 9+ units up on three shoes, though it is like this 1st shoe max, 4+ units up, would have been out of the shoe 3+ 2nd and 3rd shoes were a struggle but towards the end 2+ units and 3+ units up / NP stands for NO PLAY, W stands for WAIT, should have used W, but too used of using NP, anyhow, I'll check these again later to confirm / all flat betting / 0 with a line under it stands for even, or money back, of course all less taxes when won on banker. / You can see how strong my strategy is, even on shoes 2 and 3, when they were not going my way, no more than 3- down at any one time on either shoe. This is why my strategy is the Ultimate bullet proof baccarat winning strategy. / I'm off to casino tonight for couple of hours if you have any other live casino results post them and I'll try and go over them if I have time.

Are VDW/2 and TUBPBWS flat-bet systems?

Appreciate it if you could run any of these live hand shuffled and dealt shoes.  I was only +4 gross for all three combined.

Thanks.

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[Sputnik]

Hello Stephen Tabone - you have made a nice introduction of your self and your book and got a nice review from the member Adulay (who i respect) when he compare it with Ellis S40 he and you catch my attention.
That has to do with singles at a first level of understanding, then comes the option how to tackle series of two, three and four and higher, when to enter and follow or bet against.
I like this kind of methodology very much so i decide to buy your book.

Cheers

[alrelax]

+20 WINS for me with something I would have wagered and if I controlled myself and not wagered anything else than what I probably would have-as I marked it up, +20 hand win for me in those 3 shoes.  I have no idea how he only won the +9, but I would have prevailed with 20 wins and whatever amount of units I was wagering!

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[ADulay]

I'll have the three shoes played later once I get back from today's match.

AD

[stephen tabone]

Hello Stephen Tabone - you have made a nice introduction of your self and your book and got a nice review from the member Adulay (who i respect) when he compare it with Ellis S40 he and you catch my attention.
That has to do with singles at a first level of understanding, then comes the option how to tackle series of two, three and four and higher, when to enter and follow or bet against.
I like this kind of methodology very much so i decide to buy your book.

Cheers

Well thanks for reading my book.
But I 'm not aware of what book is the Ellis S40 where can I read more about that?
In my next and probably the last in the series of The Ultimate Bullet Proof Baccarat Winning Strategy, I will be reveling the key and most important and profitable bets/moves a gambler can make using my strategy, this is new information and it shutters the theory that the house always wins! My third book absolutely turns the tables in favor of the gambler. The book is pure dynamite and the casinos will hate it. After that I'll be working on my roulette book and publishing my research new information no one knows, and I will show players how to win at roulette just like I have shown them how to win at baccarat. 

[ADulay]

I'll have the three shoes played later once I get back from today's match.

AD

Playing by the rules established of +3 for the win and -6 to exit and flat betting. Here goes.

Shoe 1:  TUB +3   VDW -3
Shoe 2:  TUB -5    VDW -3
Shoe 3:  TUB -2    VDW +3


In the first shoe if TUB continues to play after winning the +3 it finishes at -3 for the entire shoe.
In the third shoe if VDW continues to play after winning the +3 it finishes at -2 for the entire shoe.

As none of those shoes had any long runs or long chops, they play out pretty neutral.

VDW looks for long runs of singles and straight side streaks.  Neither of those showed up in those shoes.

A good discussion of this "new" play would be nice but it would also be short.  The book is 38 pages long.  The information needed could be sent in a single text message.

There is a simple "fix" for the TUB play that would seriously help it out, but I'll leave that to the author of the book to include in the next iteration of the Ultimate Baccarat System.

AD

[stephen tabone]

Playing by the rules established of +3 for the win and -6 to exit and flat betting. Here goes.

Shoe 1:  TUB +3   VDW -3
Shoe 2:  TUB -5    VDW -3
Shoe 3:  TUB -2    VDW +3


In the first shoe if TUB continues to play after winning the +3 it finishes at -3 for the entire shoe.
In the third shoe if VDW continues to play after winning the +3 it finishes at -2 for the entire shoe.

As none of those shoes had any long runs or long chops, they play out pretty neutral.

VDW looks for long runs of singles and straight side streaks.  Neither of those showed up in those shoes.

A good discussion of this "new" play would be nice but it would also be short.  The book is 38 pages long.  The information needed could be sent in a single text message.

There is a simple "fix" for the TUB play that would seriously help it out, but I'll leave that to the author of the book to include in the next iteration of the Ultimate Baccarat System.

AD

I'll check the results again, but I think your following of the strategy is off somewhat, 1st shoe went to 4+ wins, (yes if you were to following on keep playing I say this because you follow on on a losing shoe: though I would exit a losing shoe trying for my money back) in first four results, 2nd shoes never went more than 4- down, and that was towards the end. I always exit a shoe by half way and around level, money back, less tax if it is not going my way. I generally don't stick around to pay more tax on bank wins. I'm happy to come out 0/level. Here are the results of the times when I would play: 1- 0 (0 means level) 1+ 0 1- 0 1+ 0 1- 0 1- 0 1- 2- 1- 0 1- 2- 3- 4- 3- 2- 1- 2-3- 4-

the last 0 is result number 34, the 2nd last 0 is result number 26, by result number 26, i could tell the shoe was not going my way and would exit, getting out at 0 is a result in itself which is part of money management. Note also the strength of my strategy in that although it was generally a bad shoe for TUB I didn't lose my than 4 times in a row. Compare this to people using Martingale who get slaughtered when losing more than 5,6,7,8 etc then you can see that the TUB structure is a very safe way of playing as stated. Though I don't recommend people doubling up, if they did all the way through using TUB they would not lose at at all!

Checked over 1,000s of shoes you will gain the advantage if getting out with your money back on bad shoes, just because there is a stop loss of 6- does not mean you need take it that far, if shoe is going nowhere, and its half way through, get out breaking even less a bit of tax is a good result too.

[Eight Iron]

Thanks for testing those shoes fellows.  I neglected to say I used a different strategy for those shoes where I won the four units.

The shoes yielded 3+3+3 = 9 units when I tested them using TUBS.