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[ignatus]

Did a short study of wheel movement using the "Real Wheel Carpet" dividing it into 6 sections (doublestreets)


Zero belongs to the first section. Distance is calculated in doublestreets. (next hit) 0=Repeat.



1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


What is the most common movement (and hitrate)? I use statistics to find out: 0,1,2,3-step movement:


0-Steps (Repeat)


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


Result: 24/120 = 20%


1-Step


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


Result: 30/120 = 25%


2-Steps


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4

Result: 44/120 = 37%


3-Steps


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


Result: 19/120 = 16%




From this short test the 2-step movement has a clear dominance with 37% hitrate.

[TwoCatSam]

Can't figure out what you're doing!

[seykid31]

Concerning wheel movement,to my knowledge the best works are those of Kimo Li...i know some will agree

[ignatus]

Can't figure out what you're doing!

I try to find the most common movement   I need more statistics ofcourse (this was only a short test) I do more when I got time/energy...


I used the Real European Wheel layout, put those numbers on the carpet. Now, it's possible to study movements: I divided the carpet into 6 sections (doublestreets) The numbers you see (marked in the pic) is the next hit (from that position 1-6)


If it's true that the 2-step movement is most common, one can get a clear advantage .....

[Albalaha]

Ignatus,
        it is always better to illustrate anything on a nice sample of data. I give you a real data of european wheel having 185 spins. The session starts from lowest right to left and then upwards.


Also attaching same data in a txt file.

[ignatus]

Yes, Thanks. I used Real Live Spins ofcourse when I did the first test. I do a test with these numbers. np


Perhaps someone like to help me doing some statistics? These are the numbers for each section sorted out:


1: 0, 2, 4, 15, 19, 21, 32
2: 6, 13, 17, 25, 27, 34
3: 8, 10, 11, 23 30, 36
4: 1, 5, 16, 20, 24, 33
5: 9, 14, 18, 22, 29, 31
6: 3, 7, 12, 26, 28, 35

[ignatus]

These are my second results:



1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


0 Steps (Repeats)


Result: 34/185 = 18%


Wheel Dozen Repeats




1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2

Result: 56/185 = 30%



1 Step


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


Result: 43/185 = 23%


2 Steps


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2

Result: 62/185 = 33,5 %



3 Steps


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


Result: 35/185 = 19%




End Result is exact as the first test! The 2-Step movement is most common (33.5% hitrate) closed followed on second place Wheel Dozen Repeat 30%.

[ignatus]

YES, I made a simple tracker now for this 2-step movement! It would be great if you help testing this! Also come with ideas of progression and other possible methods of betting/tweaks. I'm thinking +1 progression (for each 2 misses in a row) and then wait for 3 virtual losses or 1 virtual win before bet... That's my idea anyway.

[ignatus]

Third statistics. I was interupted. This is 79 spins


1: 4,3,3,3,5,3,3,5,2,4,3,4   
2: 5,0,3,6,3,4,3,4,4,3,1     
3: 2,2,5,5,1,1,0,2,6,1,1,0,2,6,4,6,1,5,2,1,3 
4: 5,0,2,0,3,0,3,0,5,6,3 
5: 3,3,4,4,6,1,0,2,6,1,0,2,3,3,3
6: 0,5,5,0,5,5,1,5,2,

0 steps (repeat): 11/79 = 14 %

Wheel Dozen Repeats: 24/79 = 30%

1 step: 22/79 = 28%

2 steps: 30/79 =  38 %

3 steps: = 12/79 = 15%

THIRD RESULT SAME RESULT!: 2 Step movement is clearly dominant 38% followed by Wheel dozen Repeat 30%


IF you don't get this .... THIS is the most scientific experiment I've done. ALL results are the same.


It's law of physics and gravity (Live WHEEL, Real spins etc), Everything based on statistics.

[ignatus]

I corrected a minor error in the tracker (missed a slash). ENJOY 

[Wildcard]

Refreshing idea here. I think you are learning all about roulette in the blink of an eye.

Keep this up and you´ll be one of the best out here on the forums.

Too bad I can´t test this now, maybe others will.

That's my idea anyway.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Maybe this could be your signature !

[Smoczoor]

This system works fine with flat betting so with progression results will be very good. One of the RX programmers will try to implement into my basic code progression for this system. So if it works we have chance to hard test this system!

[ignatus]

That's great Smoczoor. Thanks for testing.
I've played it to +200 in half an hour etc.


I'm conviced it's a winner (by proof) no just speculation. (It may even be longterm winner? This is a live-wheel flaw) only question is:


What is the best way of playing this? Using progression, stoploss, virtual wins/loss etc (to maximise profit)


Tracker is already made

[sqzbox]

Could I just ask a couple of unintelligent questions?

Am I right in assuming that you have 6 groups? And that these are ordered?

How do you handle the wrap-around?  For example, if this is your virtual view -

A B C D E F

Then what do you count going from F to A?  It could be 1 or 5 depending on your view.

And how do you get a set of results that contains 7 possible distances when you only have 6 groups and so can only possibly have 6 possible distances?

Sorry if I have missed something obvious - don't want to waste your time.

[Albalaha]

Ignatus,
            Please let me know, what was the result on my given sample, if u used flat bet with 2 steps?