if someone has 100k bankroll, could they guarantee themselves 1,000 everyday in casino. if yes how would someone play with these bankroll????
Yes I could. I would split a 100k lifetime bankroll into 20 working banks of 5k each, and it would take 6 hours play each day.
But I'm too lazy for all that.. $500 a day is more doable, only got to play 3 hours.
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green guy what's the style of play and what do u concentrate on the most.
This thread is a bit ironic, as I was having the same discussion with a mate a casino few days ago.
We concluded with a 100,000 we should would be able to clear 1M in a year, winning 2000 per day, either 80 x 25 or 20 x 100. We concluded with this amount of ammo, it would be very doable working as a pair (discipline, composure purposes). Only need to get our hands on 100k. As he is in finance, he needs to find an investor willing to front with 100k for a 100% rtn pa, we pocket the rest.
You can win 2K/day fairly comfortably with 40K bankroll. The last thing you want to do is play with borrowed money.
georgebac asked for a 'guaranteed" 1000 per day, indefinitely.
If we want to blast our way through the high roller room with disregard to risk, ruin, or expulsion, then sure, with a 100k bank it is not difficult to win well over $2000 within minutes most days.
To make it a 'guaranteed' take home pay, forever, then things need to be more restrained.
..and no one's ever going to hand over 100k to a bunch of redneck hill billy gambler's so they can shoot up the town cowboy style.
Get your own 100k and put your money where your mouth is, I say.
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Correct greenguy. No one will dish out that kind of money to a gambler that can't show that they can
win 1% consistently. You can do it if you can play on the same scale with a larger spread. I have a feeling that someone walking in the casino with that kind of money will play at a larger scale and probably wouldn't be content to winning just 1000. I see many people not satisfied with 1000 when their bankroll is 1000-3000.
I'd break it down into 100 units bankroll and try to make just one unit per day profit using positive progression for my daily bread, hey hey.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 01, 2015, 10:44:53 PM
This thread is a bit ironic, as I was having the same discussion with a mate a casino few days ago.
We concluded with a 100,000 we should would be able to clear 1M in a year, winning 2000 per day, either 80 x 25 or 20 x 100. We concluded with this amount of ammo, it would be very doable working as a pair (discipline, composure purposes). Only need to get our hands on 100k. As he is in finance, he needs to find an investor willing to front with 100k for a 100% rtn pa, we pocket the rest.
I can fund you 10000 and you can return me 100000 after 2 years. What do you think. I suppose this is doable ;)
Quote from: NoRegret on September 02, 2015, 04:31:07 AM
You can win 2K/day fairly comfortably with 40K bankroll. The last thing you want to do is play with borrowed money.
Good post, NoRegret.
Let's review your second sentence first:
Correct. Playing with "borrowed money", or any money that you simply could not afford to lose if the "spit hits the fan", is a disaster waiting to happen. This game is tough enough....the added pressure of any single "must win" situation does not lend itself well, ever, in the midst of the challenge.
As to your first statement:
Again, correct. Five to ten percent, on a daily basis, is the crux of most serious players' long-term plans. Why? Because it's both doable and rewarding. Especially when viewing your play and the results over the long-term (which I'd highly recommend for anyone). And it's usually accomplished without the undue stress, neither to your long-term bankroll nor your psyche.
Stay well.
It is impossible to do a 'guaranteed' daily profit day in and day out. Sure there will be times, just the SAME as when a player goes with $500 or $1,000 or $3,00 bankroll that he wins and wins big. Then it will be the same as when other players lose, no matter your bankroll $100,000 or $500,000, the cards know no darn difference. Having a bankroll with plenty of 'backup' means nothing-zip-nadda-zilch-zero!
I have seen the smartest of players and I have also seen players that have absolutely no clue, both-win and lose. Playing a few hands or playing numerous hands and shoes.
Winning cannot be accomplished dependent upon the size of a bankroll no matter the style of play. In fact, I would rather play with a small bankroll if just going for a couple unit profit per day, IMO and ONLY---IMO, a smaller bankroll will allow you to play clearer and better and walk away faster than a larger bankroll will.
As far as borrowed money, what a way to a disaster. Would not allow you to value your bankroll.
I agree with alrelax. It is impossible to guarantee a win every day. Let alone a specific dollar amount. IMPOSSIBLE. It's called gambling. It is not called "sure thing".
Since when did the dollar amount of a bankroll start guaranteeing success at the tables? The question needs to broken down into units. But is not necessary as it is impossible to guarantee a specific unit win every day.
Greenguy proposes 20 bankrolls with a daily win goal of 10%. This imo is a modest win goal, and even though it is still 10% short of the desired 1k, it still can't be guaranteed daily. But I really do like the idea of creating 20 bankrolls with the 100k.
Rolex, I find it hard to believe you can't come up with 100k by yourself. Aside from the fat stack of money in your picture I've read where you have won 1k per day every day for a week. (maybe longer) I'm also pretty sure I've read a story about you at an IT meeting with 30k in your pocket from roulette. Plus VIP rooms, gambling trips across several countries and an ocean. I find it hard to believe you can't scrap together 100k. ESPECIALLY, with the confidence that you can turn 100k into ten times that amount in one year. Just like Missmusibat implies. Turn 10k into 100k and then 100k into 1 mil.
Furthermore, I find it hard to believe you even thinking along the lines that more money equals guaranteed success at the tables. It's all about your MM (an adept execution of a personally modified lab) and a stable bet selection. 2k a day whether its 80 $25 units or 100 $20 units only adds up to 730,000. I find it hard to believe you missed that detail. In addition, you can't play 365 days out of the year, I guess a partner could cut that in half, however you win goal still has to be nearly 3k per day.
Your whole response to this thread is baffling. I wouldn't expect you at all to respond to it, and if you did, I would have bet money your post would have been the opposite of what it is.
Noregret, you offer a win goal of 5% with a 40k buy in. To me this translates into 80 $500 units. It can be not easy, but quick, to win two 2u bets, or one 3u bet and a 1u bet follow up. But from experience it is not uncommon to be down 75% of your buy in. Trying to scratch back to even is not a comfortable experience. Even less comfortable is the fact that you only have 1.5 BR left if you bust the 40k. But I do agree, one can go a long time with a win goal of 5%.
Soxfan, I'm perplexed by your response as well. I know you have a career BR of a couple thousand units. I know you adhere to the importance of having a large BR of career units. Why would you limit this one to a tiny 100u? And how would you employ a positive progression with 1k base units. Your first win in a parlay attempt would be your win goal. Do you stay and risk it for triple your win goal? I also know that you are aware, and expect to bust out your progression attempts periodically. Even if you won 1k per day for 200 days straight, busting out the 100k BR on day 201 only yields you an average of $500 per day.
I truly surprised this wasn't a thread full of one word responses. And that word would be "No"
HBS
Hello, Alrelax and HBS. I read your responses and respect your opinions, and I must say that nowhere did I mention the word "guarantee". There is nothing guaranteed at this game, and, other than in the OP's question, I don't think that anyone proposed any such thing.
We all know one thing even if we know nothing else of this game....nothing is "guaranteed". All we can do is put forth our very best effort at each and every shoe/session/day. And, even given that, it all remains a "gamble". Let's never kid ourselves about that....it all boils down to gambling.
Some people gamble well, some don't. Those that don't shouldn't play. Let me repeat that: Those that do not, or, worse, CAN NOT, gamble well, shouldn't do it. Take up another hobby....another MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, another MUCH LESS STRESSFUL hobby. Just don't gamble. Players such as that are doing nothing but harming themselves and the people closest to them.
In fact, that's one of the main reasons that I post only where I'm, well, "known". I wouldn't want to post to "wannabes" that might read my posts regarding this game and happen to make the mistake of thinking that all of this comes "easily" to me, or, frankly, to anyone else. None of this is easy...in fact, far from it.
To even attempt to get the better of this game requires SO MUCH from the serious player, every single hand/shoe/session/day.
This game is not for the "casual fan". At least, it's not IF they're expecting to win. But, that said, the serious player IS NOTHING LIKE the casual fan, are they? Of course not.
Serious players take this game seriously. They take their money seriously. And they take their results seriously. They don't fool themselves into thinking that they might "have something" when, in truth, they "have nothing". All the money in the world won't help those self-deceivers...I witness many of them at almost every trip.
That's why when you read me you read about patience, discipline, experience, statistics, and "preferred" bet processes. Nothing "mechanical" about my play....I prefer a much more "subjective" approach. Why? Because I trust myself...I fully trust the person that's putting the money into the circle on the felt...because I know, win or lose, that I've got MY BEST INTERESTS at heart at each and every bet (or, in fact, every "non-bet").
Because I play to win. Not necessarily "this" hand, not necessarily "this" shoe, maybe not even this session....but, make no mistake of it, I play to win over the long term.
Witness this last trip earlier this week:
I bought in for $2,000 at my first session, and I ended it with a $400 loss. That was the max I was down, but rather than fight this ill-fated session where I couldn't "buy" a good card, I chose to abort the session and "walk the loss". So, what happened after that?:
Next session: Plus $300.
Next session: Plus $240. (I would've played on, but the game broke up.)
Next session: Plus $300.
Last session, on the last night, I won only $180. (Sidenote: I'm always a bit more cautious on my last session of a trip, and so I'll usually accept "any" win and seek to "walk it".)
All in all, a decent trip. Would've been a heck-of-alot better had I not lost that first session, but it is what it is. Any win trumps any loss, does it not?
And, one last thing:
This is all accomplished virtually "stress-free"....both on my bankroll and my psyche. And, please, fellas, NEVER, EVER underestimate the value of relatively "stress-free" play. In fact, IMHO, it's the ONLY WAY TO LIVE at this game, especially when one takes a long-term view of it, as I do.
So, can I try for more money? Sure I can. But, think about it for a minute: How, exactly, would I attempt that? Raise my bet sizes? OK. But what'll that do for my "stress"? Both on me and my bankroll? Or, should I play more? OK. But, again, more "stress"? Remember, as well as I (or anyone) might play this game, WE ARE NOT MACHINES. We are people. We think and we feel. So I am of the opinion that one should seek their own level, and, in that vein, should try to keep their Bac games as "stress-free" as possible. Believe it or not, you just might find that "the less you bet", the "more you'll win".
And, know this...as always, I wish it for all of you. Stay well.
Quote from: gr8player on September 03, 2015, 09:21:39 PM
Hello, Alrelax and HBS. I read your responses and respect your opinions, and I must say that nowhere did I mention the word "guarantee". There is nothing guaranteed at this game, and, other than in the OP's question, I don't think that anyone proposed any such thing.
I, at least my response was to the OP where he, quote, asked for: "could they guarantee themselves".................... etc., etc. etc. ......................
Quote from: Missmusibat on September 02, 2015, 07:26:47 PM
I can fund you 10000 and you can return me 100000 after 2 years. What do you think. I suppose this is doable ;)
I would only get involved with people on a face to face basis, besides I don't like your rtn expectation.
Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on September 03, 2015, 06:50:19 PM
I agree with alrelax. It is impossible to guarantee a win every day. Let alone a specific dollar amount. IMPOSSIBLE. It's called gambling. It is not called "sure thing".
Nothing is a sure thing, but if you can't pull in 80 ponies from a 4000 BR (if ya swung that way), en you have no business being at the table.
Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on September 03, 2015, 06:50:19 PM
Since when did the dollar amount of a bankroll start guaranteeing success at the tables? The question needs to broken down into units. But is not necessary as it is impossible to guarantee a specific unit win every day.
Just like BJ it's all about spread, except with Bacc sure there is no edge, but also no heat in getting the chips on the table.
Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on September 03, 2015, 06:50:19 PMRolex, I find it hard to believe you can't come up with 100k by yourself. Aside from the fat stack of money in your picture I've read where you have won 1k per day every day for a week. (maybe longer)
Yes it was longer, closer to 4~5 weeks of daily action and 30+ consecutive wins.
Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on September 03, 2015, 06:50:19 PMI'm also pretty sure I've read a story about you at an IT meeting with 30k in your pocket from roulette.
It was more than that and from Baccarat. If you're going drag my old posts, please try and get the info correct.
Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on September 03, 2015, 06:50:19 PM
Plus VIP rooms, gambling trips across several countries and an ocean. I find it hard to believe you can't scrap together 100k. ESPECIALLY, with the confidence that you can turn 100k into ten times that amount in one year. Just like Missmusibat implies. Turn 10k into 100k and then 100k into 1 mil.
Nothing is guaranteed, to easy to drop 10k in one session, this is all about being as bullet proof as possible from the off-set. 100k is a big ask, not that I'm asking on the net, no time for potential game players time wasters, I have more other reliable contacts.
Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on September 03, 2015, 06:50:19 PM
Furthermore, I find it hard to believe you even thinking along the lines that more money equals guaranteed success at the tables. It's all about your MM (an adept execution of a personally modified lab) and a stable bet selection. 2k a day whether its 80 $25 units or 100 $20 units only adds up to 730,000. I find it hard to believe you missed that detail. In addition, you can't play 365 days out of the year, I guess a partner could cut that in half, however you win goal still has to be nearly 3k per day.
If somebody can work 337 days per year, why can't I play Bacc' with a partner for 350 days. As I said it's all about spread, bankroll (which is what this game is all about), composure and discipline. We factored in playing 350 days interstate action per year.
Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on September 03, 2015, 06:50:19 PM
Your whole response to this thread is baffling. I wouldn't expect you at all to respond to it, and if you did, I would have bet money your post would have been the opposite of what it is.
Of course 100k is not needed, my friend plucked the figure from the air, I just went along with it, as "nice to have", so that is what we settled on.
I was having the same discussion with a good friend earlier this week, two days later, this thread appears, I thought how ironic, hence my participation. If I wanted to post my nitty gritty detail on the internet, I would have started my own thread.
Had it not been for the OP, then my two day prior conservation would not have been mentioned. It was more of a response to the OP, than wishing to broadcast any of my personal business on the net for open discussion. I'm acutely aware of idiotic BS that gets posted on forums, which is why I prefer to deal with people on a face to face basis, you can find some decent minded folk in casinos.
Here is one such example
Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on September 03, 2015, 06:50:19 PM
Soxfan, I'm perplexed by your response as well. I know you have a career BR of a couple thousand units.
How do you know this is true. What have you witnessed, do you believe everything you read on "gambling forums",
of all places, seen pictures, does internet longevity now carry weight, do lies repeated often enough manifest into truths? Get my drift, I'll take sitting down in a cas' for many hours over communicating with strangers on the net.
Whether this is two people chewing the fat with a personal fantasy or grows legs and takes off, really is private. I'm adamant I would like to proceed, but I need certain events to occur first. Secondly partnership play is paramount, two people monitoring each other the and overall situation is preferable than one trying to do it alone. However the partner has to be financially involved and not another casino hustler looking for some free action and meal ticket. I would have preferred the topic to have got round to the glaringly obvious weakness of the entire concept, but it didn't. If that sound trite,
'c'est la vie' it can be too mind numbing dealing with 'some' you encounter on the web.
I can guarantee the 1%. 1% of 3K everyday. Not sure about 1% of 100K though. I do lose on some days because I usually aim 10-20%. If I stop at 1%, I can do it every day. That is $30. Of course there will be days that I will lose a few hundred before recovering and then winning.
It's a totally different animal with $100K bankroll. It's not as simple as just scaling up. If it goes smooth, 1K with 100k is easy. Here's where you will get in trouble. Losing 400-600 of 3K can be recovered without a lot of stress. If you lose the same percentage with 100K bankroll, that is 20K. You will most likely panic if you're not used to losing that kind of money.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 04, 2015, 11:43:41 PM
I can guarantee the 1%. 1% of 3K everyday. Not sure about 1% of 100K though. I do lose on some days because I usually aim 10-20%. If I stop at 1%, I can do it every day. That is $30. Of course there will be days that I will lose a few hundred before recovering and then winning.
It's a totally different animal with $100K bankroll. It's not as simple as just scaling up. If it goes smooth, 1K with 100k is easy. Here's where you will get in trouble. Losing 400-600 of 3K can be recovered without a lot of stress. If you lose the same percentage with 100K bankroll, that is 20K. You will most likely panic if you're not used to losing that kind of money.
Don't agree.
If you start off betting 1000 units, progressing to 10000 bets, sure it would be suicidal.
Losing 400 ~ 600 betting $100 chips is what percentage of 3k?
Losing 50 ~ 60% of 100k betting $100 chips is what percentage difference??
There is no way on this planet, I would sit there and bring into play / lose 50% of a 100k BR, it is more of a case, when you're placing chips, you're not sweating on the outcome after any rough ride knowing this is the last of your BR. Never been bankrolled to the hilt? If you need to place the odd big bet, it is a no drama situation, knowing that if things go further south, you have ample backup for a recovery session.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 04, 2015, 11:56:38 PM
Don't agree.
If you start off betting 1000 units, progressing to 10000 bets, sure it would be suicidal.
Losing 400 ~ 600 betting $100 chips is what percentage of 3k?
Losing 50 ~ 60% of 100k betting $100 chips is what percentage difference??
There is no way on this planet, I would sit there and bring into play / lose 50% of a 100k BR, it is more of a case, when you're placing chips, you're not sweating on the outcome after any rough ride knowing this is the last of your BR. Never been bankrolled to the hilt? If you need to place the odd big bet, it is a no drama situation, knowing that if things go further south, you have ample backup for a recovery session.
I only bet more than $100 for about 5-10% of my overall bets. My average base unit is 10-15 dollars. I don't have a mechanical progression for money management. True regarding not sweating if you know there is ample backup but how many have that kind money that they can afford to lose. I do know quite a few people with many 3K bankrolls as backup. Since you're looking someone to fund you with 100K, that probably means you don't have a 2nd or 3rd 100K that you can afford to lose without causing misery.
You can start with 10K and aim for 3%. Within a year or two, I think you can win 100K if your system is good enough. If it is not good enough, I don't suggesting doing it, especially with borrowed money.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 05, 2015, 12:43:50 AM
You can start with 10K and aim for 3%. Within a year or two, I think you can win 100K if your system is good enough. If it is not good enough, I don't suggesting doing it, especially with borrowed money.
Of course.
But they're not going to want to hear that, for these are desperate players that do desperate things, and have deluded themselves into thinking that "I could beat this game, IF ONLY I HAD ENOUGH MONEY"!!!
Alas, they will soon come to realize that their failures at this game have absolutely nothing to with their bankrolls. All the money in the world couldn't bail out these desperados.....my advice: STEER CLEAR OF THEM.
STEER CLEAR OF THEM??? Nobody here has their begging bowl out, it is something I'll most probably tackle alone, However it doesn't take long before Uncle Roberta pikes up, with his trendy gobbledegook, prior hands having significance on what is going to happen next (LOL). What is a trend are those players who get spanked, continually look for ways to flatten their bets, then post "oh look at me, I flat bet", when the truth is, I got spanked hard trending and am now totally clueless, I'm scared, so bet as shallow as possible, lowering my chip size, because really I can't risk it, because it's a 50-50 game.
Wayy to go good old Roberta, utterly deluded, does the Borgarta still having you rated as expected to win or a hopeless to far gone clown? Do the staff still watch you play during their break times, do they applaud when you guess right a 50-50 decision? Does the car jockey call you 'great player'?? Utterly deluded, you couldn't guess your way out of a soggy paper bag, so best you keep those bets low, just in case.
There are more possible Baccarat shoe combinations than stars in universe (so I've heard) and you claim to be an expert trender, so funny man.
Rolex,
Come on. You know better that to act like that in this forum. Let's try to keep it civil.
We all know you hate Gr8 but by now, anytime you post like that it just kills your remaining credibility.
This is a DISCUSSION forum and everyone has the right to speak their mind in a thread without killing the messenger.
As always, if you have a beef with Gr8, take it outside or to GamblersGlen, where that sort of thing is acceptable.
Thanks.
AD
The number of people I have met in casino's, really top of their game in their respective occupations. Highly qualified engineers, uni lectures, math experts, electronic experts, programmers, financial consultants, you name it. Really nice people, intelligent. Yet when it comes to gambling, Bacc in particular, they are totally DELUDED with their theories. If these people were certified they would have to build new asylums. But they don't because there aren't a danger to themselves (except financially) or others.
They can hold a job, have a meaning relation and basically function in the real world and you can chew the fat, but then when it comes to Baccarat, you realize how sick in the head they are, deluded is not a strong enough word, MAD, NUTS more apt. I've met many people like this, great people, then the topic comes around to Bacc' and bet selection theories and your sitting there, thinking; Holy mother mountain high, scotty beam me up fast..
Doesn't matter how hard you try to educate, wise-up such people, it's like trying to convince a witch he doesn't have magical powers. This is what the game of Baccarat can do to otherwise normal functional intelligent people and when I squirm away from such fatal interactions I realize why some, one 'internet' person specifically, are the way they are. While sad, it's reality, thankfully I like to think I don't fall into this category.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 06, 2015, 04:33:23 AM
The number of people I have met in casino's, really top of their game in their respective occupations. Highly qualified engineers, uni lectures, math experts, electronic experts, programmers, financial consultants, you name it. Really nice people, intelligent. Yet when it comes to gambling, Bacc in particular, they are totally DELUDED with their theories. If these people were certified they would have to build new asylums. But they don't because there aren't a danger to themselves (except financially) or others.
Rolex-Watch,
You are so right about a lot of the professionals being deluded. I've came across many in the decade that I have played this game. It really scares me especially when some of them are surgeons and other doctors. I'm definitely not a math expert, but I can tell what a lot of them said makes no sense. I am probably delusional to believe that what I have works but so far it is working pretty nicely. I can't say much about trending or any other system but I can make one guarantee about a fact in Baccarat.
"NO TREND WILL LAST FOREVER!"
Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on September 03, 2015, 06:50:19 PM
Soxfan, I'm perplexed by your response as well. I know you have a career BR of a couple thousand units. I know you adhere to the importance of having a large BR of career units. Why would you limit this one to a tiny 100u? And how would you employ a positive progression with 1k base units. Your first win in a parlay attempt would be your win goal. Do you stay and risk it for triple your win goal? I also know that you are aware, and expect to bust out your progression attempts periodically. Even if you won 1k per day for 200 days straight, busting out the 100k BR on day 201 only yields you an average of $500 per day.
Years ago my style was to try and capture just 3 units profits. I did this with a base bet of 500$ and a lifetime 100 units bankroll using a positive progression. Now, I managed to capture those three units the vast majority of times, and my worst drawdown was 27 unit just under thirty percents of my lifetime roll. Of course, there were those rare occasion where I couldn't meet my win goal so I would quit after 5 full shoe, up less than three unit, even or down whatever amounts and come back the nest day/session lookin to once again capture three units. So, in this scenario it should be even easier to capture jjust ONE 1000$ unit for my daily bread, hey hey.
Quote from: ADulay on September 06, 2015, 02:38:36 AM
Rolex,
Come on. You know better that to act like that in this forum. Let's try to keep it civil.
We all know you hate Gr8 but by now, anytime you post like that it just kills your remaining credibility.
This is a DISCUSSION forum and everyone has the right to speak their mind in a thread without killing the messenger.
As always, if you have a beef with Gr8, take it outside or to GamblersGlen, where that sort of thing is acceptable.
Thanks.
AD
Them two cats have been feuding for years and ain't gonna stop now, hey hey.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 06, 2015, 04:47:43 AM
Rolex-Watch,
You are so right about a lot of the professionals being deluded. I've came across many in the decade that I have played this game. It really scares me especially when some of them are surgeons and other doctors. I'm definitely not a math expert, but I can tell what a lot of them said makes no sense. I am probably delusional to believe that what I have works but so far it is working pretty nicely. I can't say much about trending or any other system but I can make one guarantee about a fact in Baccarat.
"NO TREND WILL LAST FOREVER!"
Yeah used to share a game with a Doctor, didn't yak to him to discuss his approach. As for the Trending, ask one of the them, what constitutes a trend, how many hands, more importantly when did they make a move, all you get is waffle and skirting the issue. Produce mathematical evidence that proves them wrong, produce mathematical proof that there are
more ways for any trend not to continue than to continue, they don't want to know because they are so addicted to game, have nothing else, too emotionally involved, invested too much, too scared to face the truth and they continue to live in some deluded world that is basically safe for them.
"Oo'er there is a trend", I'll bet every hand until the trend comes to an end, but
the maths is what it is , odds of winning two bets in a row 25%, odds of winning one bet from two 75%, odds of winning four in a row
16/1 against, odds of finding a single win from the next four hands
16/1 in your favour. No surprise those that promote the futility of trending always lack substance and of course exploring more ways to low bet for glaringly obvious reasons, and the endless waffle continues as it as done so for the last
decade.
Quote from: ADulay on September 06, 2015, 02:38:36 AM
Rolex,
Come on. You know better that to act like that in this forum. Let's try to keep it civil.
We all know you hate Gr8 but by now, anytime you post like that it just kills your remaining credibility.
This is a DISCUSSION forum and everyone has the right to speak their mind in a thread without killing the messenger.
As always, if you have a beef with Gr8, take it outside or to GamblersGlen, where that sort of thing is acceptable.
Thanks.
AD
Ah, it's just "Johno being Johno", AD, no big deal. And, as to his "remaining credibility", I'm sure we'd all agree that ship left port a long, long time ago. Again, just "Johno being Johno".....
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 06, 2015, 05:46:23 AM
...but the maths is what it is , odds of winning two bets in a row 25%, odds of winning one bet from two 75%, odds of winning four in a row 16/1 against, odds of finding a single win from the next four hands 16/1 in your favour. No surprise those that promote the futility of trending always lack substance and of course exploring more ways to low bet for glaringly obvious reasons, and the endless waffle continues as it as done so for the last decade.
Surely, you CAN'T be serious with this "stuff"???!!!
"Odds of winning 2 bets in a row vs one in 2, or the odds of winning 4 bets in a row vs one in 4"???!!!! Just who do you think you're talking to???
Of course the odds are in your favor in those examples, but you conveniently omitted one very important fact: WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE LOSING BETS????!!!! So you win your "one in 4" with your "16/1 in your favor"....what about the OTHER 3 LOST BETS....HOW DO YOU HANDLE THOSE????!!!!
OHHHH, I get it...that's where Mr. Martingale or Mr. D'Alembart or Mr. Labouchere come in....I get it....YOU JUST KEEP RAISING YOUR BETS TO COVER YOUR LOSSES..... just as millions of other LOSERS that tried and failed in the past. When are you going to learn that, sooner rather than later, COVERING UP LOSSES becomes, eventually, UNRECOVERABLE? Haven't you lost enough at this game already?
So take your "16/1 in your favor of hitting 1 bet out of 4" and REALIZE that it represents ONLY A 25% STRIKE RATE, which will, in the end, LEAVE YOU BROKE, and stay home. Until you can develope a bet selection process that will win more than it loses, just stay home.
No wonder you're asking around for $100,000.....better make it an even million, you're gonna need it eventually the way you play. Just think of all the "Labby lines" you could open with a million bucks.....sheeeeesh.....absolutely laughable if it weren't so sad.
A General statement not directed towards anyone.
A large bankroll will not turn a losing player into a winning player.
Only a winning method will, regardless of the bankroll.
If you have a winning method you can win 1,000 with a small 5,000.
A story : A guy next to me blew about a grand quickly! Then asks me if he can borrow 50 dollars. I responded, I wish I could, but I'm a little tight this week myself.
Another friend says, I lost around 2,000 on one bet, I had a strong feeling it was going to come! and I says, Yeah it happens.
Quote from: ezmark on September 06, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
A General statement not directed towards anyone.
A large bankroll will not turn a losing player into a winning player.
Only a winning method will, regardless of the bankroll.
If you have a winning method you can win 1,000 with a small 5,000.
You are a wise man, Ezmark, and a heck-of-alot wiser than "you know who".
Only a winning methodology will suffice to beat this game over the long term, not the "brute force" bankroll that inevitably becomes necessary when you're satisfied with only "winning one bet out of four".
And you're absolutely correct with "A large bankroll will not turn a losing player into a winning player". All the money in the world won't bail out the "desperados"....they'll only come right back onto these forums, head down and hat in hand, seeking yet another "investor" to put them "back into action" with another $100,000.
I said it earlier but it certainly bears repeating now: STEER CLEAR. Stay away from the desperate ones, for they have no qualms in bringing you straight down, along with themselves.
Quote from: ezmark on September 06, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
A large bankroll will not turn a losing player into a winning player.
Only a winning method will, regardless of the bankroll.
If you have a winning method you can win 1,000 with a small 5,000.
If you want to play for fun and or pocket money then you can get by with a few thousand dollars.
But if you want to earn a living from gambling then you need a large bankroll. Even 100k is a bit on the small side for this.
If you want to start any professional business venture it will cost money, lots of money, so why would it to be any different with a gambling venture?
Re-reading and thinking on a few answers in the down time today, tough week, lots of work and amazing--other companies turning it down. Holiday weekend, send kids to Wisconsin Dells for their last summer fling before school starts of Tuesday. Sitting down waiting for the pizza to cook.
Greenguy is exactly right, I started my current business venture last spring, my partner sits down and says how much for equip and inventory. I said $350,000.00 and it came to $600,000.00 or so and thing is all the real estate and business support functions already in place without cost!! Equipment, 2 skid loaders, Cat 315 and a Cat 330 trackhoe, a Cat backhoe, bulldozer, detachable trailers, 2 dump trucks and a semi with a side dump, light plant/generator, box truck, quick response SUV with trailer, arrow boards, message boards, traffic control equip, containment equipment, full inventory of sorbents, absorbents, matting, booms, etc., the list is long. It came to the 600k or so. Office, warehouse, and storage lot was already available and paid for, no lease or rent, partner own it all. But a deduction comes out of the double net profit for use of it all of course.
We have a business deal where each job is figured up and then all the inventory, personnel and out of pocket expenses are deducted from the total. Then a certain percentage is deducted for the business support end. Then we split, and his percentage comes to about 50% with roughly (various job to job) about 30-35% for the hard costs and 10-15% in my pocket for the 'bonus'. Of course I have a deal for weekly salary/vehicle/expenses/health care, etc. It is now just over a year and I billed out right around 1.4 million dollars gross. He is almost whole on his investment, not quite once you figure in taxes, depreciation and all that on the business end. Diffidently a good investment and the clincher is that, he is secured in it all, can repossess and sell it off if I didn't perform or something went wrong, etc. In todays business (post 2008) people are tighter and have a greater need to be secured and collateralized. Gambling does not offer that and unless you are into loan sharking like the Asians in NYC or other metro areas, with females able to be willing to help pay off the debt if you can't or you don't have free and clear vehicle titles and houses to put up, money is not lent for far fetched schemes. Gambling falls into the latter.
And BTW, basically in the couple hundred thousand range, even one does have it and wants to gamble it on a legit business, all it winds up doing is buying yourself a $500-$1,000 a week job with a huge financial risk that something goes wrong with no cash reserves or credit to bail yourself out. Just reality.
Quote from: gr8player on September 06, 2015, 12:53:53 PM
just as millions of other LOSERS that tried and failed in the past.
Stop taking about yourself, Mr "I gifted the casino's a quarter of a million bucks. :rose:
QuoteNo wonder you're asking around for $100,000
Nobody is asking
around for anything. Just like Roberta to twist things. What is sad, is that you're just like the thousand others in any casino in the world right now, thinks they have something by studying a score board consisting of totally irrelevant historic results while acting like an ostrich to the sad truth.
Hence, bet more shallow, smaller units, I'm sure you'll come full circle and find a $10 table soon, before permanent booboo's.
In the last 5 months, I've gambled at RWS, MBS Singapore, Sky City Auckland and Adelaide, Jupiters Gold Coast, heading to the Crown, Perth this week, some R&R in Dubai, how you swinging Roberta, getting around a bit are we?
Quote from: alrelax on September 06, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
And BTW, basically in the couple hundred thousand range, even one does have it and wants to gamble it on a legit business, all it winds up doing is buying yourself a $500-$1,000 a week job with a huge financial risk that something goes wrong with no cash reserves or credit to bail yourself out. Just reality.
$500-$1,000 per day job, actually our goal is minimum $2k, I've managed to pull the $1k min per day last year for 5 weeks, I've done 6 days winning $10k per day ($67k in 6 days), until the cas' brought it to a halt via cheating, but that is another story.
Some of you need to move from behind your computer screens and hang out in the real world, it is at casino's chatting to people you get the real low down, sure beats these faceless conversations with nomarks.
Then you get those that post preposterous claims then run and hide behind weasel excuses at any invitation to hook up. Duck and dive when somebody makes a $10000 challenge at the WoV. I'm 200% certain he'd love that $10k but also knew his "method" couldn't back up what his mouth was saying, so had to also weasel out of that one as well.
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oh I'm betting smaller now than my previous claimed 3-ville $400 per hand"(like were you ever). "ooh look at me, computa rated winner", I'm gushing, let's all swoon & bow down. Major screws loose if you ask me, I know this, because cos' i've met my fair share of normal intelligent people in casinos, once the conversation turns to bet selection, you realize how crazed normal people can be when it comes to gambling, you attempt to enlighten them, then realize they are too
far gone. Sounds like somebody who's been frequenting various board for the last decade, making all kind of claims, but never ever once backed by substance, (keep writing in code loon) LMAO.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 07, 2015, 01:51:41 AM
...i've met my fair share of normal intelligent people in casinos, once the conversation turns to bet selection, you realize how crazed normal people can be when it comes to gambling, you attempt to enlighten them...
You will never enlighten them because the thing is, they are looking at you, scratching their heads while thinking exactly the same thing about you.
"..oh, here comes that loony bloke with those crazy templates of his, always tryin' to convince us he's got the game licked. Seems like a nice guy, but what a nutter!"
Yeah but I've done it. Have witnesses to prove it. Enjoying my third overseas jaunt in 18mths, VIP room, hospitality etc. How about you?
Too busy on the Internet holding your nuts I assume.
you on the net too, bro. ;)
I can honestly say it brings me some happiness to hear that you have enjoyed such a luxurious lifestyle thanks to your prowess at casino gambling. More power to you.
Not my time yet, still stuck here in tik-tok land buying a house and raising a family for now, but I do live 10 minutes from Star City and the soon to be Barangaroo Crown, so I see plenty of action without having your commendable full-blown conviction.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 07, 2015, 01:51:41 AM
$500-$1,000 per day job, actually our goal is minimum $2k, I've managed to pull the $1k min per day last year for 5 weeks, I've done 6 days winning $10k per day ($67k in 6 days), until the cas' brought it to a halt via cheating, but that is another story.
Rolex-Watch,
That is very impressive. I can always win a little everyday even starting with an immediate loss. Trying to reach my 10-25% is what's hard to do every day. I don't think I ever have a streak longer than about 10 days without taking a hit. Sometimes small and sometimes large hit. Just today, I was up a little over 5% but end up losing 70% of my bankroll. That was about 3 days worth of winning, leaving me with only 2 days of winning.
(Applies to everyone): I just think everyone should just do their own thing and not worry about others because it's tough enough try to win at this game and there's no way of getting the truth unless you witness their bankroll getting smaller. A guy at one of my casino claims to win upwards of $500-5K using 5K bankroll. It was hard to tell because he has cars, other luxury items and money to show every single visit. 5 years down the line though, I would see him with with no more than $500 of bankroll. Usually just $300. That's when they can't pretend that they are winning. About 90% will not admit to losing.
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Someone mention having a larger bankroll doesn't help. I think it does unless you're playing to scale and expect the same percentage of win. It's much harder if you have 3K bankroll and expect to win 1k/day than you would with 100k bankroll trying to win 1k/day.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 07, 2015, 08:04:09 AM
Someone mention having a larger bankroll doesn't help. I think it does unless you're playing to scale and expect the same percentage of win. It's much harder if you have 3K bankroll and expect to win 1k/day than you would with 100k bankroll trying to win 1k/day.
As I said to somebody today (it's great talking face to face), if you have a 3k BR and for example you have to bet 800 ~ 1000 your going to feel nervy, whereas with a 100k BR, you couldn't care less.
Ditto, playing say at even a $25 level, with $2k BR or $25 with a $10k BR, you simply feel different, even if you never have any intention of drawing on the $10k, knowing that it is warming your a$$ gives you confidence.
Yes it is a very tough game, as somebody once said, "you have to burn to learn". You can never under estimate composure, been there done it, with my "string MM" and "template approaches" that allows me to fictionalise the losing jag, then it becomes strictly a betting and discipline game.
As our teacher says above, "cough a 4 column is only 25%", sure is if you continually get LLW LLLW LLLW. Are shoes normally like that,are they buggery. The game is entirely non-predicable and random and sometimes you get, Wxxx, LWxx, Wxxx, where x = no-bet. However that is from a few years back, I have moved forward since, some are still locked in the mystical fantasy of guessing shoes, even claiming to be masters of such nonsense. Pattern Capturing to the nth degree is smart way to play.
Quote from: greenguy on September 02, 2015, 04:40:03 AM
..and no one's ever going to hand over 100k to a bunch of redneck hill billy gambler's so they can shoot up the town cowboy style.
Get your own 100k and put your money where your mouth is, I say.
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Surprisingly someone offer me this deal yesterday morning. 100K bankroll for a guarantee 5K/day. That is 5% and in return he would give me some. Although he didn't mention how much since I hesitated at the guarantee part. I came up to do the math and realize maybe it's doable without a lot of pressure. I was tempted to take the deal but thought nothing can be guarantee. I guess if I can set some conditions about firing me if I loss 20% of his bankroll. I'm not actually playing with BORROWED money but just being employed by him. That probably makes the difference. That deal might not be there anymore today as I took a loss last night. Although he knows that I aim higher than 5%.
He owns an IT company and has loss upwards of 5 million dollars in 30 years. Apparently he has been observing me over the years. I've seen him but never seen him play. My friend confirms that he used to play along with him in the private rooms and that probably explains why I never seen him play.
Instead of taking a winning share, I would probably ask him to employ me in his company as one of the executives. The pressure of playing without a job in my experience is many folds harder. I failed miserably in the first year when I did it and it still isn't easy three years later. Every huge loss is a dagger to the heart, know no wins for the month means losing due to bills.
Why is it, many are scared of old fashioned work? Does it really matter how the income comes to you?? I will post right now in my Blog how I made well in excess of $100k in a single night. What it takes and the best part of it was, it was guaranteed. I have heard of very few making $100k plus in one night at the tables in the high limits even with hundreds of thousands of dollars buy-in or bankroll. A few do, here and there and even out of those, the majority would give it back trying for more.
One thing with work, not gambling, I have never heard of or talked to anyone that told me, at the end of their work week or the job, told the boss or their client, "you know what, forget it---I rather not get paid", LOL.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 07, 2015, 01:51:41 AM
I've managed to pull the $1k min per day last year for 5 weeks, I've done 6 days winning $10k per day ($67k in 6 days), until the cas' brought it to a halt via cheating, but that is another story.
So, ya still figure that joint down under rigged the shoe to put the kibosh on yer anti-streak style? You are one paranoid cat, I must say, hey hey.
It's a totally nonsense to keep to state that bac is a perfect 50/50 game yet beatable by some magical MM procedures.
Any perfect 50/50 game isn't beatable by any means; 50/50 systems will provide perfectly unbeatable situations where no one bankroll will get the best it other than about short illusional terms. And there are no guarantees that such short term will be too short to get any valuable profit.
There are no laws to prevent that a 50/50 game will form a 4 or higher sr negative deviation followed by a single positive outcome and followed by another 4 or higher sr deviation, a sequence capable to kill any money management procedure even if the player is Bill Gates (knowing the minimum-maximum limits applied by casinos).
Unlikely? It could happen.
So a 50/50 game might "easily" show up a series of 16 (and every proportional deviation) or higher 4 P streaks in a row without any 3 P streak, or the counterpart situation of 16 or more B singles series in a row without any B streak.
Fortunately and humanly terms speaking, we won't look at such 50/50 situations as baccarat isn't a 50/50 undependent process game.
Do we really think that some serious bac players will buy the theory that a 50/50 game is beatable by a deep MM approach?
as.
Quote from: alrelax on September 07, 2015, 06:33:07 PM
Why is it, many are scared of old fashioned work? Does it really matter how the income comes to you?? I will post right now in my Blog how I made well in excess of $100k in a single night. What it takes and the best part of it was, it was guaranteed. I have heard of very few making $100k plus in one night at the tables in the high limits even with hundreds of thousands of dollars buy-in or bankroll. A few do, here and there and even out of those, the majority would give it back trying for more.
One thing with work, not gambling, I have never heard of or talked to anyone that told me, at the end of their work week or the job, told the boss or their client, "you know what, forget it---I rather not get paid", LOL.
Al,
What your talking about is much different than gambling, IMO. Everyone in this thread is speaking about playing baccarat with a hypothetical 100k bankroll. I know what you do but, and a big BUT, is if you didn't have the backer you couldn't do that sort of work? Correct?
One needs X amount of equipment, licenses, permits, knowledge, and the biggest one of all- CAPITAL.
Hell, I know of a lot of businesses where you can make money, the problem is the cost of entry is astronomical in most cases. That is why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer....
A lawyer friend of mine has 300+ employees in Boston. He goes after consumers who do not pay their debts (works for CC companies). He has like 9 offices, makes something crazy like 50k a day/profit. The cost of entry to get where he is right off the ground floor would be ASTRONOMICAL! he had to work and work and work and build and reinvest 100x over....
So, I guess my point again is there is a multitude of businesses, ventures, etc where you can make good $$$$$. The all mighty dollar is what usually stops most.
For every startup business that succeeds and for every entrepreneur who makes the latest greatest app, there are 10's of thousands who fail and you NEVER hear about.
if 100 people had a 100k bankroll, IMO, 1% at most would turn that into a million. That's 1 out of 100. I am probably being to generous....I'm not talking about going to the table and betting 100k, then 200k, then 400k, then 200k, then 4 wins is all that is needed to hit the million mark (not speaking about commissions). I'm saying using a max bet of like 2-4k, and trying to get to a million is literally impossible grinding it out with the daily grind.....
I had my own up on the high-line from 2002 to 2013, sold it all to go in another business. Got side tracked and things went into limbo. The partner now made me a great offer. Without putting up my own capital, I took the offer as an opportunity to make as much or more than I did before. Not what I ultimately want to do, but like I said I was between careers.
I think some cats are being unrealistic as far as profits expectations. My average daily profits is equal to just about 3% of my lifetime roll but that plenty enough to feed the bulldog, hey hey.
Rolex,
First off, I may have inadvertently crossed a line outwardly speculating about your personal financial level. I don't blame myself much, it wasn't an easy line to see. Even now you continue to post winnings of 30 to 60k. Speculating further, I'm would imagine there are many instances of you having large sums of winnings in your pocket. In reference to the 30k I was talking about in roulette winnings that you say was baccarat winnings....you know, its your money, in your pocket at your IT meeting. I cannot say with certainty where it came from. However, I came across the story, reading threads written by you relating to roulette. About making wagers before the croupier put the ball in motion, winning big for several sessions and then going back only to have croupiers switched out that you later suspected were exerting control over the outcome and intentionally made you lose it all back. This being a thread where you are explaining how the casinos cheated you early in your gambling career.
But it doesn't really matter where the money came from or how much it was. You and your friend could have been talking about turning 1 mil into 10 mil and just related it to the 100k for a matter of simplicity.
As for believing what people say on the internet without a face to face meeting. My choices are limited. Not much I can do accept take it at face value and use the information for discussion purposes and just keep a mental check that the information is consistent. This I do with everything I read on the internet, including what you write, GR8, and the rest. There is no risk to myself here. I'm not investing any real capital into any internet claims.
Pushing on to the meat of the conversation. Its not the dollar amount but the number of units. It seems the unit size is $25 with a BR of 4000 units. With a win goal of just 40 units a day. No mention of a daily BR, but the OP implies the full 100k is in play at all sessions to insure a 1k win. This is a very large "spread". Certainly seems to me to be more than sufficient to ride out the shifts in variance not in your bet selections favor, as long as the bettor himself doesn't balloon their MM out of control.
Still, no mechanical method will work. Composure ( discipline and patience ) is paramount in deploying the proper MM. And the proper MM is what it is all about. All bet selections being considered equal according to the math. I'm not sure what your pattern capturing technique is, but I can't imagine it's performance being better than 50/50. We've already gone over your column approach, its performance is no different than any other bet sequence of equal length.
I don't know what point of interest you want to talk about. There are two things I want to discuss. Partners and Progressions.
I think the whole partner idea is the biggest gamble. The worst bet. It will take someone you can trust. These people tend to be friends, friends make the worst enemies. Only someone you trust can con you. And money, unpredictably, does the strangest things to people.
Even if your partner does half the gambling, and comes up with half the BR. What happens when one of you starts out performing the other? The best one of the two of you will start to think they can do this themselves. One of you may start shaving off a few chips here and there. Maybe the guy pulling all the weight thinks he deserves it, maybe the lagger thinks the other guy can continue to take up his slack plus an added unit or two per night. Maybe one of you wrongly suspects the other of cheating so starts cheating themselves. Maybe someone starts pocketing everything over 1k.
Selfish greed and covetous thoughts are in 99.99 percent of the population, maybe more. It's very very rare person that truly isn't concerned about someone elses belongings. Especially money. A lot of times it doesn't even manifest itself until the object of their desire is staring them in the face. My favorite quote about money comes from Danny Devito in Heist with Gene Hackman. " I know you need money, everybody needs money, that's why they call it money"
Have you considered the problems a partner can cause? Have you considered finding a $10 game and using 40k for a 4000u BR. Is it all about a non bettor watching your composure and warning you when you reach gamblers tilt? Will you be receptive to constructive criticism? Will your partner?
BTW big difference between going to work 330 days a year and getting guaranteed compensation either by the hour or in the form of a salary and going to a casino and playing a game of chance. You might get screwed out of some money owed you by an employer, but your not going to risk a year, month or even a weeks pay everyday you show up for work.
Progressions.
Aside from the negative progressions every MM is that isn't flat betting. Have you considered just chipping up after each 4000 units won? Instead of grinding out the same 2k every day for a year, once you reach 8000u divide by two and reduce it to a 4000u BR once again and grind out the same number of units daily but with a dollar value of 4000. This will bring your 1mil win goal in sight much faster. Allow you to propel beyond it with increasing acceleration. And once you hit 600k, grinding out 2k a day isn't going to have the same feeling of accomplishment that it did when you only had 200k. It becomes a smaller and smaller percentage as you successfully continue to win.
HBS
Hey Soxfan,
Alright, I can dig that. If you had strong success winning 3u with a 100u BR and a max draw down of only about a third of that then winning only 1u should be even easier. Well, maybe not easier, but successful more often.
Thanks for your response.
HBS
WBK,
I think its much less than 1%. I have no data to back up my assumptions, accept maybe the existence of so many casinos and so many gamblers anonymous meetings.
I think maybe 1 in 1,000 people actually lose just the expected amount of appropriate HE against their action or only a few standard deviations from it.
I think 1 in 10,000 lose less than they should according to the appropriate HE against their action, but are still down over all.
I think 1 in 100,000 are even or only up a tiny bit, but still down considering travel costs, food, tips etc.
I think 1 in 1,000,000 are up for a lifetime, but not a significant amount, or if it is a significant amount its from a big hit and they aren't spending much time if any in a casino anymore.
I think 1 in 10,000,000 are up a decent amount for a lifetime, continue to gamble, win and lose, but maintain a positive net winning.
I think 1 in 100,000,000 can consistently win, either from pure luck or skill, and are increasing their net gain as time goes on.
You get my drift. No research in the numbers, just a pattern of 1% of 1% and then 1% of that etc. It's got to be a rare occurrence. Equally as rare as someone born with nothing, no family money, and achieving $100 millionaire status.
HBS
Quote from: georgebac on September 01, 2015, 03:59:30 AM
if someone has 100k bankroll, could they guarantee themselves 1,000 everyday in casino. if yes how would someone play with these bankroll????
Quote from: greenguy on September 01, 2015, 04:38:09 AM
Yes I could. I would split a 100k lifetime bankroll into 20 working banks of 5k each, and it would take 6 hours play each day.
But I'm too lazy for all that.. $500 a day is more doable, only got to play 3 hours.
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After giving this some extensive thought, I admit I would not be able to "GUARANTEE" $1000 every day with a 100k bankroll.
I could not guarantee it even if you averaged it out so that winning some days and losing some days, you will still net $1000 per day.
Furthermore, I'm pretty sure - almost certain; there is not a single player around who could honestly GUARANTEE the required outcome.
After careful analysis, the only absolute 100% guarantee I could give is a net income of around $60 per hour.
To me this shows the key importance of a large bankroll for making a financially viable, realistic, and satisfying income from the game.
A satisfying income will obviously be different for everyone. Taking into account the precarious nature of life in the casino, with non-detection at the forefront of survival, I would be satisfied with a GUARANTEED net income of $200 per hour.
This means to keep it realistic, and drop all the bu!!sh!t and pipe dreams, I would require a bankroll of 330k to absolutely guarantee an income of $200 per hour at the table.
Quote from: greenguy on September 08, 2015, 06:29:21 AM
After giving this some extensive thought, I admit I would not be able to "GUARANTEE" $1000 every day with a 100k bankroll.
I second this. I did speak to the guy that offer me a deal to make 5K/day with 100K. That is only 5%, which I do every day and many folds more on some days. The deal breaker was sharing half the loss and most importantly having make a really large bet when necessary. I have had to make 300 bets with 3K bankroll a few times someday. I win most of them but have loss some. Having gotten used to that, I can some what calmly grind myself back my bankroll knowing I have many 3K bankroll to back me up. Looking at the 100K, that means having to take 10K shots. I don't know if I can keep myself in control if I loss 2 of those shots. Looks like I better not take the deal.
Guarantees for income in business, ANYKIND of business is absolutely absurd. Even 'non-gambling' business no income could be guaranteed. Averages, and while having past bank loans for working capital, equipment loans, credit lines and short term loans, everyone of them were in someway or another secured with collateral, liens, or person guarantee that would reflect back on some type of collateral the banker could take, etc. The only guarantee is the amount of money for re-payment and then if there is a problem, short term notes are issued or the payments deferred to the back end if the banker is easy to get along with. The key to business is having your income more than your expenses with enough left over for salaries and unknown expenses.
The same in gambling where the expenses is the losses and the unknowns are the horrible ugly outcomes of continued games. There is no way to guarantee any income whatsoever, period. You are talking about an unknown and there is no-way to regulate that.
I had two large jobs within a week invoicing out easily well over, a half million dollars, like sitting down at Bac and getting 40 hands with naturals, etc. I might get 6 more large jobs this month and might not, no guarantees. Things might go back to norm and receive my one or two jobs a week in the $30k to $80k range???
Bottom line, the only thing guaranteed to come repeatedly like clockwork is the bills. The rest is dependent upon need, service, pricing, competitors, and other factors you cannot control or dictate, the same with different elements in gambling.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 07, 2015, 01:51:41 AM
$500-$1,000 per day job, actually our goal is minimum $2k, I've managed to pull the $1k min per day last year for 5 weeks, I've done 6 days winning $10k per day ($67k in 6 days), until the cas' brought it to a halt via cheating, but that is another story.
I'd like to hear about how the casino cheated. Can you make videos, they are so entertaining?
I really miss this guy since he stopped making videos...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfQBhbRiqnE
Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 11, 2015, 11:24:50 AM
I'd like to hear about how the casino cheated. Can you make videos, they are so entertaining?
I really miss this guy since he stopped making videos...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfQBhbRiqnE
Who made that video?
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on September 11, 2015, 09:20:19 PM
Who made that video?
This guy magic612 used to run a tv blog apparently and show his beats in real time. That video was a collection of magic612's videos put together by someone else.
But here is one from the magic man himself...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYcQ7eYC-Eo
You can click on the youtube button and then follow a trail of his videos.
Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 11, 2015, 11:24:50 AM
I'd like to hear about how the casino cheated.
This is the problem with the internet, you read words on a forum form an opinion not having been there or witnessed anything leading up to why the MF's had to bring my run to a halt, you most probably are in the dark regarding the term "local". Same as why their sister casino brought to an end to a very successful BJ players action, which is a fairly well known event by regulars in the casino involved. The latter was not counting but was able to memorise 8 decks, so they sent in a stodge, an event took place, he ended up in court and banned for life. I guess being up +$100k was too much to tolerate.
I could post what happened (but shall refrain), as it wouldn't tell the whole story, it is the events that took place building up to the fateful evening, the heat from security, the high level of senior management observing my play, staff writing on a clip board every bet I made, which baffles me, cos the eye in the sky surely could have provided the same info, but no, they had somebody standing a few feet away writing down every single bet. Maybe they suspected I wasn't cashing out everything, which was true. Also what happened when I requested the so called independent Govt regulator to step in. What happened a few days later while I was on Holiday (they didn't know that I wouldn't be there) when IMO they took things too far and they ended up being spanked, because a shoe ran something like; 22P, single B, 17P, single B, 11P single B, with the shoe producing 11 Ties which was more than B results (nope I wasn't betting B only), when you skew the decks crazy things can happen, a venue where cards are not laid out prior to being brought into play, also non-squeeze pre auto-shuffler days. It is fairly common knowledge underhand tactics maybe brought into play if they feel threatened, which I guess losing an average 11k per night for 6 days may have raised concerns regarding their end of year figure, who knows, I don't really care as it was a long time ago, but "best we stop it".
What happened on the particular evening was IMO more than any freak occurrence, involved 6 tables for the many hours we were there. They didn't know in advance where we would sit so IMO had to rig every table!! On the night in question I changed tables twice, looking at the score boards, it wouldn't have mattered if we had changed tables 6 times, same outcome, which is disturbing, plus at the time, too wet behind the ears to smell a rat.
I suppose improbable things happen every day in life, yet when you piece everything together, mostly the win amounts, the unwritten differentiation between "local and visitor" (never knew that existed, until it was explained to me).
Recently another friend I was chatting to was telling me, he can beat 1000 "real" shoes at home, but when he steps into the casino to test his theroy, it loses ever time WTF. Electronics (Angle eye auto shufflers) and gambling is IMO opinion a bad mix. If they wanted any casino can know in advance how any shoe will play out before the cards have been drawn (refer recent video I posted in cheating thread). Whether the cards are pre-arranged via EPROMS as more than one person has suggested, one of whom is an electronics whiz explained how it is possible (I'm open minded), also what advantage would it give them, not knowing how players will react to a shoe, which side they will bet and how much is debatable. Suffice to say, it pays to keep your wits about you.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 12, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
This is the problem with the internet, you read words on a forum form an opinion not having been there or witnessed anything leading up to why the MF's had to bring my run to a halt, you most probably are in the dark regarding the term "local". Same as why their sister casino brought to an end to a very successful BJ players action, which is a fairly well known event by regulars in the casino involved. The latter was not counting but was able to memorise 8 decks, so they sent in a stodge, an event took place, he ended up in court and banned for life. I guess being up +$100k was too much to tolerate.
I know exactly what you are talking about. There are so many local casinos in my area. I noticed the difference between the casinos. I think that is the reason why a lot of professionals that play does not think logically when they play this game. A few days ago, I saw two shoe with almost same pattern occurring at two different tables. I don't think it could be such a coincident. I look for variance and other things in a shoe or across several shoes. My play with Apps matches one casino, which has more random shoes. The cards can easily be arranged but it has to depend on the final cut. Cut at the WRONG spot and shoe is random. Cut the RIGHT spot and it goes the way it is arranged and you'll see the exact patterns except in a different section due to the cut. I play at several of 5 or more casinos in my area. I do very well for about 80% at one casino and struggle at another. There are off course other factors that contribute to this, like not playing as planned due to losing patience waiting for hands to go. At times I force myself to play with these patterns but I would only bet the minimum. It really made me sick having to play following those patterns. Out of thousands of shoes, you will definitely find some patterns here and there but to see them so often in the very same day is very suspicious. Of course no one will want to make these kinds of accusations. I did noticed the difference between the days of hand shuffle and RECENT machine shuffle and preshuffle. I added RECENT because it happen more RECENTLY. The Apps on the internet and some devices that I've tested on were always random.
I didn't win nearly as much as you did but I have won quite a bit on occasions and I don't cash out my chips all at the same time. I remember getting my ID check with any thing above 2K. It seems most check for anything 1.2K or more now. Not that I have anything to hide but I hate cashing out over a certain amount and have my ID checked all the time. Recently, some casino even have photo recognition at the cashier to do this. Look for a webcam the next time you cash out. I purposely pissed off the cashier by moving around and covering my face pretending to cough or yawn when I cash out. Every time I do that, it takes them longer because they tried to click that mouse to snap a photo. When they asked me to take my photo for the first time, I made funny faces. I knew for fact the software recognized me immediately because the lady cashing out my chip started laughing. Someone else took that picture two days earlier. I didn't know the reason why she laughed and didn't ask but she looked at me and told me that I too a funny picture. I find it incredible how the computer pulled out my file with one eye close and tongue sticking out.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 12, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
This is the problem with the internet, you read words on a forum form an opinion not having been there or witnessed anything leading up to why the MF's had to bring my run to a halt, you most probably are in the dark regarding the term "local". Same as why their sister casino brought to an end to a very successful BJ players action, which is a fairly well known event by regulars in the casino involved. The latter was not counting but was able to memorise 8 decks, so they sent in a stodge, an event took place, he ended up in court and banned for life. I guess being up +$100k was too much to tolerate.
A few points...
1. Nothing to worry about...find another casino, there's plenty about and with $100k you can now afford to fly somewhere else.
2. I've never heard of a court banning someone from the casino for life but again, simply move shop.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 12, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
What happened a few days later while I was on Holiday (they didn't know that I wouldn't be there) when IMO they took things too far and they ended up being spanked, because a shoe ran something like; 22P, single B, 17P, single B, 11P single B, with the shoe producing 11 Ties which was more than B results (nope I wasn't betting B only), when you skew the decks crazy things can happen, a venue where cards are not laid out prior to being brought into play, also non-squeeze pre auto-shuffler days. It is fairly common knowledge underhand tactics maybe brought into play if they feel threatened, which I guess losing an average 11k per night for 6 days may have raised concerns regarding their end of year figure, who knows, I don't really care as it was a long time ago, but "best we stop it".
What happened on the particular evening was IMO more than any freak occurrence, involved 6 tables for the many ours we were there. They didn't know in advance where we would sit so IMO had to rig every table!! On the night in question I changed tables twice, looking at the score boards, it wouldn't have mattered if we had changed tables 6 times, same outcome, which is disturbing, plus at the time, too wet behind the ears to smell a rat.
That was pretty risky for the casino to set up the shoe to produce all those player runs. If you smelled a rat you could have made 10 times your original $100k. I say they deserve the money for taking a big risk to clean you out!
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 12, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
Recently another friend I was chatting to was telling me, he can beat 1000 "real" shoes at home, but when he steps into the casino to test his theroy, it loses ever time WTF. Electronics (Angle eye auto shufflers) and gambling is IMO opinion a bad mix. If they wanted any casino can know in advance how any shoe will play out before the cards have been drawn (refer recent video I posted in cheating thread). Whether the cards are pre-arranged via EPROMS as more than one person has suggested, one of whom is an electronics whiz explained how it is possible (I'm open minded), also what advantage would it give them, not knowing how players will react to a shoe, which side they will bet and how much is debatable.
Your friend also needs to surprise the casino and change his system when he plays and cash in. Just one shoe should net $10k don't you think?
Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 12, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
A few points...
1. Nothing to worry about...find another casino, there's plenty about and with $100k you can now afford to fly somewhere else.
2. I've never heard of a court banning someone from the casino for life but again, simply move shop.
To start off, I'm not on anyone's side or anything but for discussion purposes only. I do move around to different casinos as I mention in previous post even before you posted. Most casinos COULD be doing the same or maybe the shuffle machine or preshuffled company. I only notice one casino that is different.
Unless the person is cheating, I've never heard of this either. I have on many occasion witness and have it happen to me, where casino asked me to leave if you refuse to sign a document stating had a transaction over a amount. In the US, it's usually 10K but for some casino, it's 8K. Off course you can always return 24hrs later to play. That signature is good for at least one year or a few years. I was asked to resign again a few years later. Not sure if it's by certain time period or the fact I went to another casino for over a year before returning.
Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 12, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
That was pretty risky for the casino to set up the shoe to produce all those player runs. If you smelled a rat you could have made 10 times your original $100k. I say they deserve the money for taking a big risk to clean you out!
I saw this occrring many years ago during hand shuffle and I've seen this happen on Apps, Online games and simulations so I HONESTLY believe this can happen. Although very rare to come across this. Two 17 player streaks and 26 Banker streaks (on different shoes) followed by another pretty long streak.
Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 12, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
Your friend also needs to surprise the casino and change his system when he plays and cash in. Just one shoe should net $10k don't you think?
Again, mention in post before you brought this up and also for discussion purposes. I did try to cash in but didn't do it aggressively as I didn't believe it can happen. I am referring to reoccurring patterns. I'm not referring to those BBPBBPBBPBBP type of patterns. Here's one example from the other day that I could remember. Like I mention, two shoes from two different table. BBTBBPPBBPPBBPTBBPPBBPPBBPTBBBPPBP They both happen to happen at the beginning too.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 12, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
The cards can easily be arranged but it has to depend on the final cut. Cut at the WRONG spot and shoe is random. Cut the RIGHT spot and it goes the way it is arranged and you'll see the exact patterns except in a different section due to the cut.
Sorry this is not correct. A cheap shuffle machine has the ability to record the sequence of every cards after the shuffle, so what can Angle technology do costing $60,000 a piece?? Once [IF] the sequence of the cards are known, placing the cut card simply shifts the start point of the sequence of the entire 8 decks. I am not suggesting any orchestration is taking place, I am saying the capability exists if they wanted to know in advance how a shoe will pan out.
In a few casinos I recently played at the cards are pre-shuffled in Japan and placed in a shoe after a cut, with computers you can do amazing things, why / how could they, who knows but all the shoes are kept in marked sealed boxes. Despite having invested $60k on shuffle machines, they weren't used. I've also recently played Baccarat dealt via BJ shuffle machines producing never ending shoes.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 12, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
I don't cash out my chips all at the same time. I remember getting my ID check with any thing above 2K. It seems most check for anything 1.2K or more now. Not that I have anything to hide but I hate cashing out over a certain amount and have my ID checked all the time.
Good move, I usually just take chips home and don't buyin on the next visit. Or if you know people, swap them for cash in the toilets or get somebody else you trust to cash them for you.
Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 12, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
A few points...
1. Nothing to worry about...find another casino, there's plenty about and with $100k you can now afford to fly somewhere else.
2. I've never heard of a court banning someone from the casino for life but again, simply move shop.
In some parts of the world it ain't that easy, I don't have $100k, I was referring to somebody who won $100k over the course of a year.
Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 12, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
That was pretty risky for the casino to set up the shoe to produce all those player runs. If you smelled a rat you could have made 10 times your original $100k. I say they deserve the money for taking a big risk to clean you out!
I would have made thousands IF I was there, as it was they had to refill the tray three times during the shoe, people were nearly fighting trying to get bets on, they did get hit.
QuoteYour friend also needs to surprise the casino and change his system when he plays and cash in. Just one shoe should net $10k don't you think?
I don't know if that is even possible, because he never told me what the method was.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 12, 2015, 01:20:43 PMIn the US, it's usually 10K but for some casino, it's 8K. Off course you can always return 24hrs later to play.
It's a contentious issue, down-under there is a 10k limit, then you have to sign a government declaration. However if they think you are trying to circumvent by cashing out $9k and then a few hours later anything more, they are obligated to report it. Most casinos have a hidden Police station inside he complex. I had a friend who I used to give money to for change for me and they would say, is that for the other guy! [smiley]yahoo/yahoosigh.gif[/smiley]
At the end of the day, they have a good idea how much people exchange, but why make it easy for them?
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 12, 2015, 03:40:05 PM
It's a contentious issue, down-under there is a 10k limit, then you have to sign a government declaration. However if they think you are trying to circumvent by cashing out $9k and then a few hours later anything more, they are obligated to report it. Most casinos have a hidden Police station inside he complex. I had a friend who I used to give money to for change for me and they would say, is that for the other guy! [smiley]yahoo/yahoosigh.gif[/smiley]
At the end of the day, they have a good idea how much people exchange, but why make it easy for them?
I honestly don't doubt a word you say because it happened to me. I lot of people I tell don't believe it but I do because it was me. I have tried to let other people cash out for me but didn't get anything. That's probably because they already know that we're doing it and didn't say it. Every casino is different. Another one that I went to call me out on 1.2K cash out at two cashier cage. I cashed 1.2k at one and then waiting an hour and went to another cage. The lady at the other cage asked me for ID and told me I cashed 1.2K at anther cage earlier. That one surprised me because it wasn't even a large amount. I remember that incident because I was surprise by that small amount. I forgot to mention the cashier cage was on opposite ends of a large casino. So surprise camera was following me when there were so many other high rollers. It was total shock. I end up going to another casino afterwards. I notice it's even more strict in recent years. I have reduced my winning goals to have more consistency and reduce stress but like I mention still get monitored. 3K bankroll usually but my wins are no larger than 35% and I don't cash out my br every day if I decide to come back to the same casino for a while.
I have 6K bankroll and it does not matter if it would have been 10K.
Because the 20/100 flaw remains solid and valid.
20% win target is good by any means and you win on regular basis 20 20 20 20 20 five times in a row before you bust with 100 and lose it all back.
So a static win goal with static rules is not working or mechanical approch.
Some one need to succed to win 30 40 50 35 40 risking 100 five times in a row to gain a overall profit.
That is more easy to state then do in real life.
Cheers
Pst - found a solid and valid working card counting method for baccarat where you get a small edge - but i could not post it at John's private forum - because all mighty thinks he can ban any one with no reason at all - that really sucks.
Quote from: Sputnik on September 12, 2015, 04:50:24 PM
Pst - found a solid and valid working card counting method for baccarat where you get a small edge - but i could not post it at John's private forum - because all mighty thinks he can ban any one with no reason at all - that really sucks.
Why don't you post it here? I won't say that a system doesn't work without actually seeing it. Some are clearly obvious that won't work. I've read countless articles from people who tried this and failed at it. Assuming that counting for that little edge MAY help. Should you wait for end of one or two shoe and end up missing that hand or two, I think your mindset will be out the window. Even BJ card counters can lose a hand on a real good count. Assuming it works on paper and practice, doing that at the casino is a different story. You wait 4-5 times as long during practice as you would at a live game. I deal with this same frustration. I find myself playing differently as I would because of this reason. On top of all that, you have the crazy and annoying crowds. It's like a zoo with all the animals running all over the place. Some casino even allow the players to walk across the pit.
Any system, all systems, any counts and all counts, will work equally against you for the greater period of time you play rather than for you.
There is not 1 system to beat or get an advantage to baccarat that can prevail the majority of the times.
For the simple fact you can have a winning hand with any value of card whether it be a value of 0 or 1. In face large value cards or low value cards can reduce or add value to one side or the other, doesn't matter one bit as to what is left in a shoe.
There would be only 1 exception to what I said, that is if you knew there was say 10 or 15 cards of the same value left in the shoe around hand 77 or 78, then you might (MIGHT) be able to add up if a tie is possible or the B or P is coming out.
Quote from: alrelax on September 12, 2015, 06:41:54 PM
Any system, all systems, any counts and all counts, will work equally against you for the greater period of time you play rather than for you.
There is not 1 system to beat or get an advantage to baccarat that can prevail the majority of the times.
For the simple fact you can have a winning hand with any value of card whether it be a value of 0 or 1. In face large value cards or low value cards can reduce or add value to one side or the other, doesn't matter one bit as to what is left in a shoe.
Agree. Although variance has worked pretty decent for me but I would take a hit after several days. Luckily not hard enough to clear out SOME winning streaks. In the end it's very little gain and that is expected. Cross my fingers that it will continue to be this way. I've heard of 5-6 years of continue success only to lose everything in a few months.
Quote from: alrelax on September 12, 2015, 06:41:54 PM
There would be only 1 exception to what I said, that is if you knew there was say 10 or 15 cards of the same value left in the shoe around hand 77 or 78, then you might (MIGHT) be able to add up if a tie is possible or the B or P is coming out.
No, probably not even then. UNLESS the 10-15 cards are all 0 or 10 in value and maybe one or two number cards, then you have a good chance of a tie.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 12, 2015, 04:06:40 PM
The lady at the other cage asked me for ID and told me I cashed 1.2K at anther cage earlier.
If that happens again, just say, "I decided to play some more, is that ok". Or throw in the usual comment "money back".
What I don't understand is how people who gamble don't have money?
Seriously, I have 5-10k almost 99% of the time i walk into a casino. There are times i have 50k which fits nicely in my 2 front pockets wearing jeans. I have had a private reserved table with 20-30k.
I am a NOBODY in the gambling world. Some asians here lose 50-100k on a weekend.
Not sure of most peoples financial status (not my business) but even if you had some credit, christ I have 100k in available credit with credit cards if I would need a quick 5-10k or more. i mean if you work and have a reliable job, you should be able to recoup 5-10k in a month or so? idk, just talking out loud and not trying to offend anyone. Hell im going on a vaca in 2 weeks and its costing about 7k and im sure after little jaunts and buying stuff it will be more... but people who have a 5-10k bankroll if your retired and looking for 40-80 dollars a day, that's fine. if you think you will win 500-1k a day very doubtful
The reason I don't need more is because i YET to have a consistent winning system like 99.999999999% of the people....
So, as I stated before I have made offers to these people saying they have this system and that and can win etc etc. They have crappola! best of luck
trust me, there are people I know on these forums who are millionaires. easily. if there was a system and you could show proof, they would provide a bank i am sure of that.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 13, 2015, 06:49:03 AM
If that happens again, just say, "I decided to play some more, is that ok". Or throw in the usual comment "money back".
Not sure that will work. They were following me. I think I have a good explanation now. Even though I am not a high roller at that casino playing in private rooms or even the highest roller in the regular rooms, they don't know who I am yet. Most people have comps and they already know who they are. Most casinos keep track of the 100 denomination that goes out to what spots. That was in the days when they didn't allow over the shoulder or side bets, only seated players.
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on September 13, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
What I don't understand is how people who gamble don't have money?
Seriously, I have 5-10k almost 99% of the time i walk into a casino. There are times i have 50k which fits nicely in my 2 front pockets wearing jeans. I have had a private reserved table with 20-30k.
I am a NOBODY in the gambling world. Some asians here lose 50-100k on a weekend.
Not sure of most peoples financial status (not my business) but even if you had some credit, christ I have 100k in available credit with credit cards if I would need a quick 5-10k or more. i mean if you work and have a reliable job, you should be able to recoup 5-10k in a month or so? idk, just talking out loud and not trying to offend anyone. Hell im going on a vaca in 2 weeks and its costing about 7k and im sure after little jaunts and buying stuff it will be more... but people who have a 5-10k bankroll if your retired and looking for 40-80 dollars a day, that's fine. if you think you will win 500-1k a day very doubtful
The reason I don't need more is because i YET to have a consistent winning system like 99.999999999% of the people....
So, as I stated before I have made offers to these people saying they have this system and that and can win etc etc. They have crappola! best of luck
trust me, there are people I know on these forums who are millionaires. easily. if there was a system and you could show proof, they would provide a bank i am sure of that.
WBK, Many and I mean a lot of the Asian you see with sizable money, is pooled money from the larger businesses. I know, my wife is SE Asian and as we talked, spent those years in NYC/NJ in the restaurant business as well as the adult biz. Either the loan sharks loan to one, a business owner or other person with means of attachable income/assets, etc., and they designated a player. Or, it is pooled money, 5, 10 , 15, 20 people pooling there cash together for various reasons. You watch the whites/latinos and you will seldom seem see those with several people around them, but watch the Asians and you will generally see a few or many others around them, might not be right at the table but coming and going and the such. Usually at least one or two watching and reporting to the others.
Don't get me wrong, people of 'solo' Asian with disposable income from legit sources or otherwise but equally or more the way I outlined.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on September 12, 2015, 03:17:13 PM
In a few casinos I recently played at the cards are pre-shuffled in Japan and placed in a shoe after a cut, with computers you can do amazing things, why / how could they, who knows but all the shoes are kept in marked sealed boxes. Despite having invested $60k on shuffle machines, they weren't used. I've also recently played Baccarat dealt via BJ shuffle machines producing never ending shoes.
At least in Vegas at numerous places, with the pre-shuffled shoes, players can request 2 or 3 cuts, seen it done many times over Asian New Year earlier this year. They don't have a problem with it.
We even saw one casino where the players requested the deck cut twice and then the dealer did a quick hand shuffle, maybe broke the deck down to 5 or 6 decks and shuffle a couple of times, about one min worth or so.
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on September 13, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
What I don't understand is how people who gamble don't have money?
Seriously, I have 5-10k almost 99% of the time i walk into a casino. There are times i have 50k which fits nicely in my 2 front pockets wearing jeans. I have had a private reserved table with 20-30k.
I am a NOBODY in the gambling world. Some asians here lose 50-100k on a weekend.
Not sure of most peoples financial status (not my business) but even if you had some credit, christ I have 100k in available credit with credit cards if I would need a quick 5-10k or more. i mean if you work and have a reliable job, you should be able to recoup 5-10k in a month or so? idk, just talking out loud and not trying to offend anyone. Hell im going on a vaca in 2 weeks and its costing about 7k and im sure after little jaunts and buying stuff it will be more... but people who have a 5-10k bankroll if your retired and looking for 40-80 dollars a day, that's fine. if you think you will win 500-1k a day very doubtful
Be careful carrying that kind of money around. Here in the states, I read police can take those money if you can't prove where money came from. Yes, if you work or own a business, those kind of money should come easy but in last decade, people have been hit hard by economy. Many around me, including myself have loss jobs. Some even loss homes. If you can't win consistently or consistently enough, that means it's a loss because you have bills pay.
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on September 13, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
The reason I don't need more is because i YET to have a consistent winning system like 99.999999999% of the people....
I ran into a guy at the casino the other day that told me he won every single day last year before he was sick. Then he just won the last 4 weeks straight since he returned. I know some people go there just for $50-$60 a day so I find that believable. What I find hard to believe is the size of bankroll he uses. But then again all the chips could be in his pocket. I also found out that he uses promotional chips to play as well. I find it hard to believe when he said he does $300 OR more. I've done those amount on most days but I would get hit VERY hard on some. It's hard to tell in recent years because they allow people to run all over the place. I had to do that myself because the casino is always packed with people. Since they introduced the bonuses it takes forever for one hand to deal. Not to mention the headache of people screaming for dragon and fighting over which bet belongs to who. I have taking huge losses not fully using my system.
Anyway, I wasn't tracking him on purpose but I saw him come in a few days ago and left real soon. Must have loss everything. There's no way he that he can make $300 betting $10-$15 that quickly. I never seen him bet more. Then a day after that, he was there almost as long as I was but I saw him struggling. The day after that, I didn't even see him.
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on September 13, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
So, as I stated before I have made offers to these people saying they have this system and that and can win etc etc. They have crappola! best of luck
I'm only on this forum more often recently so I don't know about any offer. What was it? I mention several post ago that someone offer me this last week. 100K for 5K/day. I was thinking about small percent of win as reward if I win and no reward if I didn't. I was surprise that he offered half but would want half have I loss and he wanted the 5K everyday. The only reason why he even offered it to me because he felt that I was a better player than most he'd seen. I didn't expect half of the profit but of course it came with conditions that would balance. He should realize that if I didn't play for him, he would lose it eventually since he has loss millions (many dealers have confirm this). It was just too much pressure playing with that kind of condition. Had he offer me a smaller percentage and do my best, I would have taken the deal. After all, he came to me and I didn't go trying to scam him.
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on September 13, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
trust me, there are people I know on these forums who are millionaires. easily. if there was a system and you could show proof, they would provide a bank i am sure of that.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 13, 2015, 03:07:13 PM
Be careful carrying that kind of money around. Here in the states, I read police can take those money if you can't prove where money came from. Yes, if you work or own a business, those kind of money should come easy but in last decade, people have been hit hard by economy. Many around me, including myself have loss jobs. Some even loss homes. If you can't win consistently or consistently enough, that means it's a loss because you have bills pay.
I ran into a guy at the casino the other day that told me he won every single day last year before he was sick. Then he just won the last 4 weeks straight since he returned. I know some people go there just for $50-$60 a day so I find that believable. What I find hard to believe is the size of bankroll he uses. But then again all the chips could be in his pocket. I also found out that he uses promotional chips to play as well. I find it hard to believe when he said he does $300 OR more. I've done those amount on most days but I would get hit VERY hard on some. It's hard to tell in recent years because they allow people to run all over the place. I had to do that myself because the casino is always packed with people. Since they introduced the bonuses it takes forever for one hand to deal. Not to mention the headache of people screaming for dragon and fighting over which bet belongs to who. I have taking huge losses not fully using my system.
Anyway, I wasn't tracking him on purpose but I saw him come in a few days ago and left real soon. Must have loss everything. There's no way he that he can make $300 betting $10-$15 that quickly. I never seen him bet more. Then a day after that, he was there almost as long as I was but I saw him struggling. The day after that, I didn't even see him.
I'm only on this forum more often recently so I don't know about any offer. What was it? I mention several post ago that someone offer me this last week. 100K for 5K/day. I was thinking about small percent of win as reward if I win and no reward if I didn't. I was surprise that he offered half but would want half have I loss and he wanted the 5K everyday. The only reason why he even offered it to me because he felt that I was a better player than most he'd seen. I didn't expect half of the profit but of course it came with conditions that would balance. He should realize that if I didn't play for him, he would lose it eventually since he has loss millions (many dealers have confirm this). It was just too much pressure playing with that kind of condition. Had he offer me a smaller percentage and do my best, I would have taken the deal. After all, he came to me and I didn't go trying to scam him.
Im in the states, I have lived in NY my whole life! Carrying that sort of money is nothing. As I told you, these asians will have brown paper bags FULL of cash. Could be 6 inches of 20's that takes the dealer 15 minutes to count out and hold the game up. I seen it 100 times. My local casino I know a majority of the people in the backroom from dentists, to doctors to IT company owners. these guys have lost millions. Sure, you see em win 30-50k some times but overall they lose 2-3x that on normal weekends. People carry a lot of money.
few days ago 2 body builders came in, arms bigger than your legs, guy had 2 softball sized rolls (all hundreds) and he threw down 30k and it literally didn't dent the size of the one roll.....Not sure where you play or how or whatever but I see big money on a daily basis and its no big thing. seen a BJ player have 2 trays of oranges that's like 200k (5 rows in a tray, x 20 chips in a row). Anyways best of luck
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on September 13, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
Im in the states, I have lived in NY my whole life! Carrying that sort of money is nothing. As I told you, these asians will have brown paper bags FULL of cash. Could be 6 inches of 20's that takes the dealer 15 minutes to count out and hold the game up. I seen it 100 times. My local casino I know a majority of the people in the backroom from dentists, to doctors to IT company owners. these guys have lost millions. Sure, you see em win 30-50k some times but overall they lose 2-3x that on normal weekends. People carry a lot of money.
few days ago 2 body builders came in, arms bigger than your legs, guy had 2 softball sized rolls (all hundreds) and he threw down 30k and it literally didn't dent the size of the one roll.....Not sure where you play or how or whatever but I see big money on a daily basis and its no big thing. seen a BJ player have 2 trays of oranges that's like 200k (5 rows in a tray, x 20 chips in a row). Anyways best of luck
I'm in Cali. People here, at least used to, carry a lot of money too. I did at one point when I was winning big (beginners luck). I just hear too many stories about people having their money taken away temporarily until they can prove it. I don't know anyone or had it happen to me but I don't want to take a chance. By carrying around, I meant have in your car. If police pull you over, you'll have hard time explaining probably. No big deal inside the casino. I know a few high rollers that keep there money in the casino deposit box just like the ones in the bank. Most of these high rollers go to 2 of the main casino we have here. I knew one, not very close, that was a millionaire and bets 60K shots. Last I heard though, he loss several millions. Looks like there are more in your area.
Quote from: NoRegret on September 13, 2015, 06:00:08 PM
I'm in Cali. People here, at least used to, carry a lot of money too. I did at one point when I was winning big (beginners luck). I just hear too many stories about people having their money taken away temporarily until they can prove it. I don't know anyone or had it happen to me but I don't want to take a chance. By carrying around, I meant have in your car. If police pull you over, you'll have hard time explaining probably. No big deal inside the casino. I know a few high rollers that keep there money in the casino deposit box just like the ones in the bank. Most of these high rollers go to 2 of the main casino we have here. I knew one, not very close, that was a millionaire and bets 60K shots. Last I heard though, he loss several millions. Looks like there are more in your area.
I will admit since 9/11 I have always carried the bank withdrawal slip from my bank if I was travelling with the cash and did not wire it to the casino. Never needed it and once at TSA check-in @ airport they went into my carry on which had at least 50k in cash, unzipped the bag it was in and then zipped it back up, never questioned it.
Played extensively at Pala, Pechanga, Agua C, Fantasy Springs and others in Southern Cali. HL room have quite a bit of cash. Never a problem on or off the floors carrying money. Use common sense, don't flaunt it. Even if stopped, unless in the hood where one doesn't belong, wouldn't be a problem. Get stopped almost every time for speeding out their by CHP or Riverside County. Always a warning, guess it depends on how you handle yourself, what you look like and how you present yourself. Tourist, rental car, hand the papers and DL over, hands on wheel, respectful, apologize and say on the way to such and such casino---lost my mind. Mention clean CDL and just out having a short vacation. Works every time. Get caught in Desert Hot Springs or some other hood crack area I am sure it might warrant a car check or other action.