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[horus]

How about posting up some screenshots from Dublinbet of any shoes you are testing/playing with.

I was reading that the Zumma shoes are biased in favour of one side (can't remember which one) and even that they may not be genuine shoes from live play.

Here are 3 to get the ball rolling.

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cheers

[RouletteFan]

i don't play Bacc as it is not a popular game in France

[horus]

When it comes to e/c's Shaft, Baccarat is the only game in town.

It's the zero which is the killer (obviously) and especially so when using any type of negative progression.

No point playing something like a 1-2-4 for example on roulette and the zero keeps popping up on your third bet. (what do you do then.....put out another 4 and you are either -1 or -9 assuming the zero doesn't pop up again which will leave you at -7)

I like Dublinbet's new policy of no tax unless it's a Banker 6 in which case you get paid out at 1/2.

cheers


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[horus]

3 more.......


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[sqzbox]

For the record, I have done extensive analysis on the Zumma 72 Days data and IMO it is completely OK. I suppose it is possible that it was computer generated but I doubt it very much given the age of the  book and the reputation of the author.

As for the 1/2 on Banker 6, the mathematicians all say that this is a non-favourable game to the punter compared to the standard 5% commission scheme and show the calculations that demonstrate a Banker expectation which is clearly worse.  This is true but it is not so bad that we shouldn't play them.  BUT – only play the games where the vig. is taken on a Banker win of 5 or 6.  Avoid the Banker 8 commission games. Banker 5 is better than Banker 6 for the player but you don't see this very often nowadays.

The facts are these (for a Banker win on 6, as an example) – on Banker wins, the probability of a Banker-6 (B6) is 0.11745, or approximately 11.745%.  This means about 1 in 8.5 Banker wins will be a B6.  In this case you get paid 1.5 rather than 2.

50.68 x 0.11745 = 5.952366.  This is the number of hands expected to be B6 in 100 non-tie outcomes.  So the Banker odds calculation (all bets 1 unit) now becomes –

-100 + ((50.68 - 5.952366) x 2) + (5.952366 x 1.5)
= -100 + 89.455268 + 8.928549
= -1.616183

Near enough to -1.62%, which is up from -1.17% (the casino never loses!). This is actually a 36% increase if you want to look at it that way - however it is still a relatively small vig.

[soxfan]

Getting clipped for a half priced payout would mess up my progression style. For me the EZ-bac style would be much better, hey hey.

[horus]

Thank you sqzbox for taking the time to show the maths behind the Banker 6.

You are right! The casino don't like to give anything away. [smiley]aes/smile.png[/smiley]