Quote from: ADulay on August 11, 2017, 02:26:37 PM
Wow.  Another new member asking about Tabone's Version 3.

How ironic.  What are the odds of that happening?   

AD

How many members so far?  Can be high if it's only a few.  I have been accused of being a fake member at other forums to promote a system just because I was new and signed up to ask about it.  Although the high rate of it might have to do with it being such a hot topic on this site with all the argument and you can thank Alrelax's constant chatter for helping.

Although it's weird that they are asking about it in a post about another system.  Perhaps Vic can answer the question about who's creating multiple accounts to do the postings.

Quote from: alrelax on August 07, 2017, 03:35:30 PM
I am totally floored!  Really.  I should not be, but I am.

I read on another part of the board here, the following: "Amazing stop losses and when to bet again triggers and fantastic cleverly developed tweaks". 

Seriously!  Do the people writing this stuff believe they are truly mathematicians and statisticians with magical powers? 

Amazing stop losses?  Does that mean the author knows 100% when to stop and that stop the author advises, means 100% the player would not have won any further?  Or it is just a random picked 'number of losses' to make himself look special? 

As far as the triggers, once again, those are from mathematical science or those are just picked, 'out of the blue'-as they say? 

Here is what I am recommending.  How about a consumer stop loss on purchasing systems and gambling books that instruct such things?  Like let's say, one book stop loss.  Meaning, if you purchase one book or system and it does not do everything the author promised and said, then you have reached your lifetime stop-loss.

I know huh!!!  Just like the people that goes on and on about how they know how to spot trends.

Perhaps this will finally answer everyone's question regarding the system.  To prove it's a case of defamation/libel, one has to prove that the system works.  Otherwise, a counter lawsuit can be file for scam.  I wonder how things will pan out.

Thanks Bally.

The Wizard did an analysis on his work.  Here is the link:  https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/dragon-bet/

Personally, I don't think it's practical.   Too many people jump into the card counting nonsense because of the BJ card counting.  Good luck and have fun with this.

Don't know why Mr. Wong is using a yellow name.  He's white.

Found a book that cost $200 but it was worth it.  Made $6300  USD last night.

Quote from: ADulay on July 21, 2017, 01:21:43 PM
I would love to know just how Amazon/Kindle figures the selling price for an item and the reason that it fluctuates so much.

AD

The author determines the price and it can be changed at anytime.  Amazon doesn't care if it fluctuates every second.

Quote from: Mike on July 18, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
Chimp,

Maybe I did miss your point, but I don't know what you mean by this:

If you mean that the relatively high payouts of betting on a few numbers compared to Baccarat odds of 1:1 gives you a better chance of winning with flat bets on a few numbers, that's not correct.

Is that what you mean?

No, I think almost anyone here will understand that you can't beat it flat betting on a 1:1 payout.  Even Esoito knows.  It's only the delusional that claim they can.  It's hard enough trying to win using progressions.

I was trying to make a point that anyone can boast about anything on the internet.  No, I didn't win $760K.   I've came across people on forums boasting about how good they are and then go around asking for sponsors.

Over the years that I've played, I have countless people boasting until they can't boast anymore.  They used to play with 5K-50K but could no longer do that.  Doesn't matter how hard you try to boast, you can only do it for so long.  When you are broke, you can't pull money out of thin air to continue your boasting.

Quote from: Mike on July 18, 2017, 01:15:52 PM
Have you demonstrated this or are you just self-proclaiming? 

Of all people, I didn't think it would be you to miss my point.  I have faith that you will once you read the post again.

You are one of few people I actually respect for keeping things real.

Quote from: 21 Aces on July 18, 2017, 06:45:06 AM
Winnings in gambling are taxable.

What's a little tax when you can win more.  So to avoid tax, you won't enjoy the winnings?  What good is it when you're just holding onto paper?

Quote from: Garfield on July 18, 2017, 06:08:56 AM
Why those who have ultimate system, best progression to handle worst, most selling system, never boast about their winning ? Brand new car, luxurious yacht, x-thousand acres home etc etc.


Damn that will surely shut the "skeptical, mob-parted, old big mouth fake player" up.

Why oh why....

Or never seen at the casino or want to meet up. Also those asking to sponsor them.

Quote from: esoito on July 18, 2017, 03:24:10 AM


Those who think flat betting is a no-no really should keep an open mind.  [Perhaps they're members of the flat earth society as well?]

One particular member of this forum only flat bets on small groups of inside numbers, and is waaaaaaaaay ahead at several B&M casinos he visits.

You are talking about flat betting on groups of numbers that give you win of 36 times.  Trying winning flat betting on outside bets.  (So you're a flat Earther?)

So who are the winners?  Did they demonstrate this or just self proclaiming?   


I almost reach the million dollar mark playing Baccarat.  Currently at $760,000.

Quote from: alrelax on July 17, 2017, 02:23:58 PM
There is a huge difference in players that are 'Hindsight' players and skilled players.  I know that sounds harsh and biased, but t is the realty of baccarat and a great comparison would be sports.  I am leaving pro's out of it, i don't believe their is any definition or difference between a skilled player and a pro player.  Just some people choose to go pro and some did not, being a pro does not boast or add anything to your skill level in anyway.

A better player will not lose everything going against a trend.  I'm not sure if there is a skill player.   Unless you have a mechanical betting system, anyone guessing is a "hindsight" player.  True, going pro does not add anything.  It doesn't mean you are a better player either.  Someone playing and losing every single day is considered a pro.

Quote from: marinetech on July 16, 2017, 12:20:30 PM
hindsight is great. when playing in the moment and people saying they would have bet 5k here or 10k there. well its easy to say that before you actually do it. when you see 2 players or banks in a row, its easy in hindsight see it go to 15 and be like yes i would have killed it!

when you see 2 in a row now and you hammer it and it breaks off your like wtf. 99.9% i believe that.....

That's exactly how it happens.  I used to get pissed when someone walks by a table and would say I don't know how you people lose in such a good shoe.  I stop getting mad and finally point out that there is an empty seat and invite them to sit down.  Not only does the person lose, but that person is ALWAYS the first person to lose all their money and get up first.  I have done this many times.  More than not, the trend ends.  The reason the person loses all his/her bankroll first is the need to prove that they can win in such a shoe.  I see how often a person's ego will cause them to lose.  After just insulting everyone at the table, they have something to prove.  Every time, we all get a good laugh out of it when the person walks away.  Once it happened to two person for the same shoe.

I did almost got in a fight with someone for doing this.  The guy was flat betting table minimum and would hit about 90-95% during that stretch.  He was telling everyone how to bet.  Everyone at the table was all pissed, myself included.  So I decided to teach this guy a lesson.  Told him to bet more.  He claims that he didn't bring a lot of money.  I directed him to the ATM.  He quiets.  The next hand came and everyone was on my side and he was the only one on the other side.  A very hot lady came and caught his attention.  He tells her to bet with him.  Initially she did but for some reason she went with us.  Card opens 8 for him with 3 cards.  Everyone was getting pissed from his reaction and we opened 9.  He got pissed.  Some guy on the table said, "you win some, you lose some."  For reason he didn't get mad at the other guy.  He directed his anger at me even though I didn't say anything for that hand.  Knowing that he was upset, I calmly and slowly got him even angrier.  He was taller and bigger but I know there is no difference in weight.  More words were exchanged and we were only inches apart.  I was waiting for him to throw the first punch.  The dealer got scared and called the floor over and the floor eventually called security over.  Dealer didn't want to take sides but the people that were on the table earlier came back for my defense.  Didn't help.  We were both told to leave.

Quote from: Lungyeh on July 16, 2017, 05:17:32 AM
How anybody can lose money in these kinds of shoes is beyond me. In Asia, we would have taken the casino to the cleaners!

I think people who lose on these kinds of shoes are not baccarat players. They are probably Mathematicians or Statisticians and I suppose those two can be interchangeable!!! 😎😎

Sure these players playing this style will take the casino to the cleaners with this shoe.  I see it all the time.  Only problem is, when it becomes a hybrid when the trend changes.  I know a guy that rakes in 40-80K in these types of shoe.  Then the casino takes player like him to the morgue.

I have come across many people who claims they know how to recognize these types of shoe and I believe the casino took them to the morgue because after a decade of playing these player are no where to be seen.