Quote from: Gizmotron on July 13, 2016, 01:59:00 PM
I searched for years to find a progression that would not succumb to the killer sequence that makes these progressions not work in your favor. There is only one progression that works. Bet big while in a favorable streak and bet small while in a not favorable streak. Expect at least one but sometimes two very strong favorable streaks for each 100 to 200 spins. Never descend into the abyss while continuing  to use strong bets.

This is a wonderfully apt and appropriate statement regarding state of the art professional play.

The context here is 'Dozen' and I do have a technique to beat Columns and therefore it might be inferred that this would also work for Dozens, but I find Columns more useful because of their inherent skew regarding colour, thus enabling ultimately a more 'efficient ' bet. I am not going to reveal that detail however as it is private, and it is my choice to maintain that.  Nevertheless, by extension here is comment regarding targets of 16 numbers. Further, all my work on this is public and I encourage sharing and improvement collectively for all readers here.

Gizmotron has always been most helpful but sensibly retains some screening, and through his most interesting comments here and those of other
contributors to this thread, the following detail may assist.

The bet I am in the process of adapting from Martin Blakey is the MB16 which targets four corners.

This is an efficient and compact way to cover 16 targets. Of course it may be argued that the 16 targets need to be selected from current warming, quite warm and hot repeat numbers so as to ensure repeated hits every spin cycle or as many as possible.

That is somewhat idealistic and still over my event horizon although WF technique does lead in that direction.

Better I believe is to retain the same fixed numbers and I play 2/5  11/15  16/20  and 31/35.  They are fairly well distributed around the table and wheel but some would argue that 19/23 might be better included at the expense of another.

However being corner bets they are skewed to favour the central column so any way of 'predicting' a central column appearance (one way or another) may assist your bet performance.

What we have found is that my running a short progression 2,3,5,8 in order to trap one of these numbers, there is a distribution window centred on a 90% likelihood of one of these targets appearing within four attempts.

For example from live play today at the table...

2  hit on first attempt  +10
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14 hit on first attempt +10
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12 hit on first attempt +10
--
21
13
8
14 hit on fourth attempt +0
----
14 hit on first attempt  +10
---

What I now do when I approach a wheel and review an accurate schedule of past hits is to record a snapshot of what I term 'outcomes' which is the number of spins required to complete a hit. ( Out of interest I Stop Loss after 4 attempts and resume after the hit and when appropriate in the context of the game go to a second phase to continue the progression).

Here was the schedule from this afternoon's session....

1
1
1
8
3
2
2
4
1
2
1
5
1
1
4
1
1
1
2
1
1
4
2
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Notice from this 'transformed' overview that when a 1 occurs it is very often followed by another 1 (hit on first attempt).

Also in live play if watching  I encounter a 1, I immediately view  this as a trigger and start live play.

Sometimes I will encounter a streak of say 3,4 or 5  x 1 hits.

Results count.

I would not mention any of this if it was not worthy, but I have done very well in adopting and improving upon this simple strategy where I also can overlay other patterns on the MB 16 bets if conditions are favourable.  I have found this simple bet as a handy quick 'measure' of conditions and by using this bet as framework 'anchor', can build around it and amplify the bet efficiency by tuning into favourable timing.

However if you see a few 5,6, 7 or worse - this is a warning and I usually keep well clear as this is a sign of the inevitable corrective phase. I try to catch the middle or end of a streak if 1 and 2 outcomes and of course they cluster.

The distribution curve of outcomes enables consistently higher numbers of events of 1's and 2's over a suitable sample say 100 'outcomes' ( ie between 150 and 300 spins) and remarkably seems quite reliable even in a 30 outcome window, so it is quite easy to read when conditions are 'favourable' to 'fish'.  I find this so about 60% of the time I check, because of the distribution characteristics.

You see this favours 16 numbers rather than 12 where there would be much longer periods of correction non appearance.

I hope you find this of interest although it does not concern 'dozens' as such.

My full ongoing work is to be found on the thread MB16 in the XXVV section. My apology in advance to 'extend' the subject matter but the linking thread idea was the ability or otherwise to predict or better of course to quickly read a current streak and bet accordingly, then stop when appropriate. In short bursts of 4-7 spin bets this can be a very successful bet with good MM.

This may be a little off topic but I think it is about time aware players realised what a treasure is hidden within roulette.

One of the keys to beat the game is to view outcomes in short cycles, and this I have stated for several years, after I was advised by Arvis - a European professional player.

I use cluster analysis in 3-7 spin outcome sequences, and various other modes, some generic, some adapted, and some provided for me by Mentors.

Also I use flat staking, and accelerate earnings by stepping in winning phases, such as parlay.

I use stop loss, triggers and even recovery techniques.

Recent research revealed by several other professional quality players who have worked for over 10 years behind the scenes demonstrates what can be and is being done. It depends where you search and to whom you speak. Look freshly at the opportunities that surround you.

Ignore the naysayers and reach out to those that have seen what is below the surface.

Here is a little example taken from live play in Dublin ( table 2) a few minutes ago.

13
9
22
17
29
4
3   betting opportunity to target 9 numbers
11 hit  +27
12
23
18 betting opportunity to target 9 numbers
14 hit +27
26 hit
3   hit
15 hit
0   hit
13 hit   the last 5 spins were all hits as they are part of one side of the wheel all +18, and share the A street characteristic ( plus Zero).

Overall + 144 units

These treasures are available in roulette, especially so.

Regarding card games, I know nothing.

Thanks Helen and Nathan for most recently contributing to this discussion in the spirit with which Vic originally posed the question.

Let me update my answer from 18 months ago.

Many reasons, and the first was to get out of my system the anger and frustration I felt after being shafted by the Swiss scammers. There was a rage and passion that needed to be channeled.

Over the years amazingly I learned to understand more through all the brilliant contributions on this Forum - and a few other locations as well - and in the big picture even the really bad moments dealing with scammers, trolls, unbalanced administrators ( not here), through the hostile times, I learned so much, also that your 'enemies' can teach you most. Those can be personalities, attitudes, conditions, and self beliefs, of others, and oneself, that are immature and need to change and grow. Also one needs to accept more, and not judge, although it is necessary to observe and consider.

What has really come clear is that by taking a risk, and putting forward ideas and observations, the return is magnificent and through this Forum I have had the great good fortune to meet individuals who have contributed in my life to be 'life-changing' in the highest sense. Now that is intended to be the highest praise. Thanks Vic.

Yes note that thanks to the personal initiatives of this Forum, the very clever roulette researcher and player Thomas, The Magician, was invited to shift here from Roulette30 where several members including Real had been attempting to be disruptive and negative toward him. It is one thing to block such material but when there is an undercurrent of negative energy why remain - it is a disruptive drain and loss of power. We all need to plant seeds in fertile ground.

I agree and thanks RG for suggesting this.

The Caleb fellow/ Real/ Xander is a well known concrete linear fixed view troll who caused massive distress on roulette forum a few years ago, and also here until he was booted off by responsible and ethical Moderators.

Thank you Bayes for the immense work you have put into this and the clarity and content therein. Congratulations and I look forward to much useful reading ahead. Thanks also to Sqzbox for his valuable assistance for you.

This is proving to be a most interesting year of revelations and valuable research in roulette.
Best Wishes.
R.

Thanks ybot for your interest.

Leis be very clear from the outset. I have developed this simple method over the past 25 years or more with the help of several colleagues but especially one who is a well known analyst and savvy IT specialist. We observed earlier that chasing sleepers can be erratic and that hot number focus alone can leave you waiting a long time without live action.

The action is in the middle ground where warm turns to very warm and hot.  There is plenty of action in looking at repeats and we believed that a qualifying WF number appears twice and we target a third appearance.

This is not a unique method - it is an amendment to a generic bet and several well known authors use it. What makes the difference is the level of detail and efficiency in assessing targets and the MM in so doing.

I have written very fully on this and you will need to look at my writing on roulette forum and especially in my Blog section on this forum.

Good Hunting.
R.

Now this is a very interesting and challenging topic Albalaha and good for you for featuring it. Look forward to reading what you have to share.

Thanks Vic

I am all in favour of constructive change. This looks an improvement to me.
Best
Ric

Here is the result of a second test of the 'missing dozen' theory from Bally, with only 6 numbers targeted as already explained, so for clarity I will refer to it as Bally6 and has nothing to do with the very exciting work mentioned earlier here on the US wheel layout flaws.

Bally6 as I am playing it is volatile, so has great variance. However in shorter sample of 54 spins it produced a net +22 units, peaking at +82. The downside is risk exposure to strings of losses. This session peaked at +82, had an early low of -72 and finished at +22 after nine consecutive losses. However of course if well ahead, take profit ahead of inevitable re-tracement.

Session 3 was RNG at the casino today with 70 spins and end result +72 units, peaking at +84 and initial loss -24. Ironically this was a single zero wheel/ program and the zero result was a net +2 units.

Session 4 was a ripper this afternoon.

34 spins 0-00 wheel with 5 hits in the zeroes.

Overall result -18 units, worst -78, and best +0,  but the zero game earned +112 units

I played live another strategy and targeted the 24- 5-00-10 wheel section using WF and big final hit on 00 which triple appeared.

So overall so far, good results but be prepared for up to 15 or more consecutive losses.

I will post the approx 100 spins so others can test but this was a live session at my boutique casino earlier this week.

Following Bally's brilliant idea of focus target on the column colour skew this modified approach targets the 6 numbers.

High was at +148 units two thirds through and final result was +40 as the corrective balancing  tide swept back in

This session was balanced in R/B dominance but was imbalanced through both 0 and 00 appearances ( losses) with 6 appearances in 100 spins. The bizarre arrangement here is that it is a Euro wheel but 00 is placed between 5 and 10. This rapid roulette live table has this 'tax' applied but for $5 tables when open the standard Euro wheel is used.

So this 'headwind' was adverse but we still showed a profit which says something about the value of this idea. However I emphasise this may be just an aberration, so take due care.

With an independent flat stake bet put on 0-00 for every spin that would have resulted in +22 extra units.

Here are the spins... and the key assumption trigger is dominant last spin colour to repeat

22
34
33
29  hit
30
30  hit
14
9    hit  etc.....
8
4
20
15
11
0
23
6
35
21
19
34
19
8
27
00
35
26
27
7
11
24
32
25
00
32
36
21
26
29
33
8
5
18
16
33
22
13
27
27
18
7
11
16
2
6
24
11
8
33
26
12
20
12
4
23
2
20
00
17
21
3
30
2
11
31
4
14
1
6
27
0
18
20
27
28
25
35
23
0
27
2
20
14
19
22
27
21
25   

97 spins

Just when I was celebrating a new look/ fresh approach we now lurch back into the familiar.

ND is totally correct. We adjust to change.  Our taste buds totally renew within one month. Give up sugar and a month later you will never know the taste difference. Just so with our familiar perceptions in commercial life.

Have courage and break free!

This idea is possibly one of those break even bets ( perhaps capable of further development), especially if you can run an independent account to manage zero. My sample of course was ridiculously small but after 30 spins it was at the session high, and later was clawed back by zero appearances and some headwinds. The principle though is fascinating because if your goal is modest/ realistic you could accept say even +10 units quite happily while on the right side of the ledger, or if not you could anticipate a swing back. However empirical testing would need to prove that 'balance'.

To me the reason for this working ( any wheel) is the resonance/ skew of colour dominance to column if you can find a way to reinforce the positives and mitigate the negatives, ie do not bet on the mid dozen.

I suggest research might simply observe results, past or live, without real money risk exposure at this stage. As I say early results can be seductive.

Now it may be more efficient therefore to bet straight up the numbers ( and therefore implicitly the associated colours) rather than the relative inefficiencies ( less exact) of the dozens and columns.

I will compare the results from the same session playing this way and will provide the spins in due course.

Thanks for your very interesting thoughts Bally.

Fantastic work and the videos are a great idea!  You will attract great attention.

I was particularly intrigued by your late night subsequent  thought however on the absent 2 Doz, and the impact that has on Cols 2 and 3, B and R.

I conducted a quick test on my last live session ( yesterday) and used a  trigger assumption ( crude I know)  to bet for same as last in colour and thus load both Dozens ( 1 and 3)  together with the one preferred column based on colour expectation.

My 100 spin session peaked at  +28 units and finished +18.

I always see spectacular results from the first test of an idea, later to be squashed, but this was a great result. I will try it out on previous sessions later tonight.

My wonder was how you might suggest framing an attack. Please do not respond in public if this is confidential for you.

Best
R.

This platform is going to access, links, references and promotion of various forms of investment some of which I may already be involved with.

Before I start I will not accept any feeble criticism from idealists or purists who are myopic. Such posts if without foundation or reasonable referencing will be removed.  A tiny minority of past readers of my Blog material seem to become very alarmed at the topic of money or costs. That is as a result of the level of scam and deceit on the internet. Buyer beware, or 'caveat emptor' is the paradigm and then there will be no misunderstandings here. Some of the material I will be presenting is right on the frontiers of the 'science of money', and with this neat new format for the Forum Vic deserves to have material that is challenging, informative and constructive. Of course there are risks but that is what we do with roulette; we endeavour to manage, control and mitigate risks

If some naive fellow, or worse, an arrogant naive fellow suggests you use a 10,000 unit RB and utilse progressions that are inevitably fatal that require sometimes 100 units or more to be applied in order to continue then this will collapse and not be good for your health.

I say it repeatedly, and this is the core of our CWB work, the RB needs be small, efficient, proven and commencing at small units with 100 units. With ongoing success the unit values can be conservatively measured and stepped. Variance has to be understood and in the financial markets it is defined as eight or more aspects of risk, and the astute investor needs to mitigate or remove entirely risk exposure. There are proven strategies that do this and my work in the coming years will cross reference much understanding from Wall St to the casino.