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Started by spankmythighs, April 05, 2017, 12:21:09 AM

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spankmythighs

I didn't really know what to call this strategy but its much like my "MLB Sweep" strategy.

So it goes like this. Each row contains 3 results with ties being null. On the banker side you will have 4 sets of combinations BBB, BBP, BPB, and BPP. On the flip side, player will have PPP, PPB, PBP, PBB. I will write the results down as the shoe is dealt like below.

PPB
BBP
BBB
BBB
PBP
PPP
BBP
PPB
BPB
BPB

When 3 of the 4 combinations are present, the next 3 results we will bet against the missing combination. When the row we are betting is complete, a new session will commence. This is an excellent strategy and is near perfect when betting after a 3 bet loss. If you have the patience I would do this and wait for a loss. I usually play all triggers and if I come across a loss, I will hammer the next instance by 10 to 20 times my usual bet.

roversi13

Tested thousands of times years ago:a disaster!....
The fourth pattern you bet against,occurred also 4 or 5 or 6 times in a row.
It' a matter of probability...
Mechanical methods on patterns are a bad approach

alrelax

Anything and everything mechanical 'hoping for a repeat' will eventually fail.  Problem is, it can and often works for a while and the player gets that 150watt light bulb above his head that goes off and thinks he just found 'mini holy-grails' to wager.

That along with the cut after tie, the naturals cut, the 3 and out, the chop will continue, the streak will come back, the 7 over 6 will cut or stick, all of them, there are dozens and dozens.  They have all stuck and cut, usually more cut than stick and when you do when you lose it trying for more of the same or something else. 

The only thing that will win this game each time is getting lucky, the ability to wager with the shoe as to what it is producing and money management that allows to a chance to wager with wins and a certain amount locked up.  Other than that, you cannot win the game.
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roversi13

I think that also ..."to wager with the shoe as to what is producing"...is an illusion.
The cards has no memory and the shoe is unpredictable in short run too...
Like all other negative EV casino games,the best solution is "no play" or play in the closest way at "no play",that is to bet few hands.
Difficult to do.
Very often you pay for your trip (gas,restaurant,beverage...) for one or two bets per day.
But when you come back at home think about the money you won and the money (your BKR) that is still in your pocket(very important)!
I'm able to do this after several years of a suicidal approach...

I agree with you about money management.
As far as the progression is concerned I like 1,3,2,6(or 4),but my experience says that it's too dangerous(less than a negative progression).
I prefer other type of progression,negative first 2 terms and positive ad libitum

Patience777

With a $2,000 Bank Roll I can go to the casino every day for a full year and win every day playing Baccarat.

After I get $5 ahead I  quit and go home every day.
I have a betting progression that can do this.

My point is...

Baccarat can be beaten with a certain money management system.

People are beating themselves at the game!
The advantage the casino has over the player is so small that it does not cause me to lose my entire $2K BR in one night.
Players are beating themselves that's why the casinos win so much money!





brokerny

Patience, you might be right with your approach, but what good is $5/day and I hope you are at least walking distance to the casino. Driving will eat up your $5 profit real quick. Maybe a $20,000 bankroll and winning $50/day might get you somewhere if your monthly living expenses are low.

spankmythighs

Quote from: roversi13 on April 05, 2017, 08:44:43 AM
Tested thousands of times years ago:a disaster!....
The fourth pattern you bet against,occurred also 4 or 5 or 6 times in a row.
It' a matter of probability...
Mechanical methods on patterns are a bad approach
What did you test it with? I have never seen a banker series or player series lose 2 sessions in a row. I also only play one at a time. So if banker comes first, both are reset after that session. Never play 2 at a time or carryover

Patience777

Quote from: brokerny on April 05, 2017, 07:54:10 PM
Patience, you might be right with your approach, but what good is $5/day and I hope you are at least walking distance to the casino. Driving will eat up your $5 profit real quick. Maybe a $20,000 bankroll and winning $50/day might get you somewhere if your monthly living expenses are low.

Nobody would go to a casino just to win $5 because like you say they have overhead.

I just had to make the point that casinos can be beat in the long run.

Hit & Run Strategy & Go for Small Wins & Go on Long Winning Streaks. (that's how I play)

I also understand that the vast majority of Baccarat players choose not to use this strategy.

Driving home from the casino after I have lost is something I dislike very much!


Patience777

Several years ago I read about this Baccarat player in Vegas.
He would go into this casino every night with aprox. 250K worth of chips.
He would play for 10 minutes or so until he got ahead about 1K and then he would quit and go home.
He did this for several nights always winning around 1K.
Then finally he got barred from the casino, and was asked not to come back, because he had a figured out a way to beat the casino. :)
BTW... His name was not Phil Ivey. LOL

I don't know about you guys... But I can sure live off of $1,000 per day. :)

Babu

Quote from: Patience777 on April 06, 2017, 01:06:06 AM
Several years ago I read about this Baccarat player in Vegas.
He would go into this casino every night with aprox. 250K worth of chips.
He would play for 10 minutes or so until he got ahead about 1K and then he would quit and go home.
He did this for several nights always winning around 1K.
Then finally he got barred from the casino, and was asked not to come back, because he had a figured out a way to beat the casino. :)
BTW... His name was not Phil Ivey. LOL

I don't know about you guys... But I can sure live off of $1,000 per day. :)

Where was this at?  If it's a casino in the USA, he was probably barred for not signing the paper required by the "Patriotic Act."

That idea sounds great.  So why aren't you doing it?  Bring 40K and win $100/day.  When your bankroll increases, you can bump up your bankroll.  Please report back your results.

alrelax

Sorry, hard to believe.  I have several people in my family working for some of the biggest properties in Vegas, AC and South Florida for years.  Never has a player been from bac for winning, if they were not cheating or causing extreme trouble (as in being violent or literally trashing items).  Just doesn't happen.  Even, I only got ban for 30 days for picking up the shoe and throwing it into the middle of a pit.  As far as winning, they just don't ban players for that.
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Played well over 35,957 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

THE PURPOSE OF GAMING IS TO WIN!

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that & more.
 
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brokerny

yeah, that story of someone bringing 250k sounds outrageous. besides the very wealthy, who in their right minds cashes in for 250k in chips. they usually would get this money from casino credit anyway. i can imagine how they would carry 250k on them and even if that person used credit as well, why ask for that much in the first place? winning 1k/day can happen on most days if you have a decent bankroll. its just those days when nothing goes right, is when you possibly need 250k. maybe its just me, but nothing seems right with that story. if someone needs to make 1k/day to survive and live, how the heck did they save up 250k in the first place. lots of normal people don't have that kind of bankroll.

Patience777

I have been going into casinos for almost 40 years.
I almost got barred from Harrah's in Vegas for winning so much at Sports Betting.

The longer you sit in a casino and play Baccarat on any given day... The more your Bank Roll is at risk.!!!!!!!

The cards are going to turn on you. The table is going to turn on you. You are going to go on tilt and start steaming...

Me and the casinos... We know this! 

So... Just because the guy had a 250K Bank Roll then its OK for him to lose his money to the casino?






alrelax

We are talking baccarat, no one is ever thrown out or threatened to be barred for winning at baccarat, never.

You are correct about staying too long at baccarat, I have written extensively about it.  100% correct. 

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Played well over 35,957 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

THE PURPOSE OF GAMING IS TO WIN!

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that & more.
 
Administrator & Forum Board Owner  of  BetSelection.cc
EMAIL: Betselectionboard@Gmail.Com

Patience777

The story about the guy in Vegas with the 250K BR who would "hit and run" the Bac tables for 1K each time is just that... a story that I heard about.
Was he  playing like that for a reason? Yes, he wanted to prove that casinos could not beat him. And maybe piss them off at the same time.
If anybody thinks that these casino mangers are 15 year old Dolly Parton's with mass estrogen running thru their veins then you are sadly mistaken!
They are A$$holes who want to see you lose very badly.!

One of the shift managers at Harrahs one day got tired of cashing my 7K and 8K winning tickets all the time at the sports betting windows.
So he started harrassing me. that's the first step casinos use in barring people that win all the time. FYI

After I had won 35 times in a row playing Bac at this one casino... A shift manager walked by me one  day and said to me... "It will never continue!"
A mild form of harrasment might I say.
On the 38th day (the day that I lost I was ahead $85 and should have taken the money and run but I didn't)
And I ended up losing most of my 1K BR on the 38th day.
Next time it won't happen as I'm going to win 1000 times in a row.
1000 x $50 = $50,000 (tax free)
(1000 / 6) x 30 = gas money required (5K aprox.)
I took 2 years of Algebra in H.S. you have to be good at math before the casino will want to bar ya. LOL

The smart looking people who are steady winners... You are being watched.!

And the casinos know about tall people also.
Most tall people are smarter than short people. (sex does not matter)
And this has been scientifically proven also, as there is a  genetic connection between height & IQ as far as intelligence goes.
The casinos know all this...

The casinos know which race of people are the greedy ones.
So they are not watched as much.
They will come in and win 5k at baccarat and then lose 10k the next time.
The casinos are not worried about these types of people, in fact they are welcomed with Open Arms. (was that a song by Journey? LOL)

I seem to have gotten off track and I'm rambling a bit.... :)