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[TwoCatSam]

Chrisbis

You know, the man trusted you and you are giving hints. 

In my humble opinion as one who has been trusted with many systems, you might want to consider just saying, "It works." or "it doesn't work."  Beyond that you are giving hints.

Hope you don't take offense. 

Sam

[Chrisbis]

Non taken at all Sam.................tho there are clues in the cover email.
I will heed  your "savvy" words my friend.
I works as well as any EC method then...............how's that!


Need to full test on it, nut I'm testing out other stuff at the moment, like 1 in 9 from the other forum...very interesting too!


Can not beat having enough systems and ideas up  your "Sleeve" so2speak!

[Bayes]

Chris, I would strongly urge you to get it tested properly before you report back with your results. By "properly" I mean coded. I don't have time to do it ATM, but maybe another coder on the forum would be interested, or perhaps you could contact imspirit.

If anyone has the zumma book, the system should at least be tested on the first 500 shoes, over which Izak claims the system has made 3616 units.

[Albalaha]

Most of Izak's work are based upon reverse engineering. If he claims of first 500 shoes, one should rather test later 500 shoes. I can provide help with zumma. PM me for that.

[TwoCatSam]

Here me now and believe me later:  If you had the results of 500 honest shoes--I don't care where they came from--and you could reverse engineer a system to make all of them win, you would have the "Holy Grail". 

Anyone want to point out how ignorant I am for that statement??

I've played a lot of Back-A-Rat!!  I don't even know how to count the wins for certain.  Something about 7 or 8 or draw another card if the dealer's nose itches....something!.  All I need to see is a P or B.

If you can win on 500 shoes--any 500--then you have the "Holy Grail".

Sam

[Albalaha]

24K baccarat has officially beaten zumma 1000 and zumma 600, i.e. 1600 shoes but it is not a grail.

[Bayes]

Sam,

You make a fair point, 500 shoes is over 35000 hands of baccarat, and if you're betting every hand, that's an awful lot of decisions to reverse engineer.

But still, I think it could be done.

@ Al, any chance you could upload the Zumma 1000 shoes here?

[spike]

ask for a refund even if it doesn't live up to the claims.

'Even if'? You mean Izak had a system that did what
he said it would do? You mean WHEN it doesn't live
up to its claims, not if it does..

[nOrMy2o0o]

@ Al, any chance you could upload the Zumma 1000 shoes here?

Please 

[Sputnik]

 
Can some one explain for me why you need 1000 zumma.
Silly if you ask me, when you have random org, my opinion.
You beat random org you beat any zumma Collection or real baccarat game, simple as that.

[Albalaha]

[size=78%]@ Al, any chance you could upload the Zumma 1000 shoes here?[/size]

Bayes and Normy and my other friends,
Zumma is a copyrighted stuff and this forum of ours is an open forum. Do you still want me to upload it here? I am sending a copy of both zumma 1000 and zumma 600 in excel format to Normy2000. Anybody else if requires this, please email me.

[Albalaha]

Can some one explain for me why you need 1000 zumma.
Silly if you ask me, when you have random org, my opinion.
You beat random org you beat any zumma Collection or real baccarat game, simple as that.

        Buddy, I do refer to random.org to generate random sessions of roulette where all 37 or 38 numbers are truly equal in all parameters and have the same probability to appear. When we talk of baccarat, unless an RNG is not configured to keep the statistical difference between Player and Banker bets due to slight tilt in the favor of "Banker" due to the drawing rules (I can write an entire topic explaining as to why Banker and Player are not true ECs like Red/Black of Roulette).
    The banker bet actually wins a little more often than its counterpart player. With all hands considered, banker wins 45.86 percent of the time, player wins 44.62 percent, and 9.52 percent of hands result in ties. Since the ties push, banker wins 50.68 percent of the time when there is a decision, and player wins 49.32 percent of time.
           Unless, random.org incorporates the difference between player and banker in its generator, it will treat them as Equal Chance and the results seen may be faulty.

[nOrMy2o0o]

Many thanks Albalaha,   

[Sputnik]

I know that, but still don't see the point not using random org, the slight difference between P and B is so tiny so your system or any existing strategy will not notice, if you don't just play B ... just silly, my opinion.

[Juiced91]

Of course it makes a difference hence the casino takes 5% winnings other wise it's a positive EV game and you could flat bet your way to victory.