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[ignatus]

Ignatus,
            Please let me know, what was the result on my given sample, if u used flat bet with 2 steps?

The result of your sample is the second test. My Roulette Xtreme has expired ...

[ignatus]

Could I just ask a couple of unintelligent questions?

Am I right in assuming that you have 6 groups? And that these are ordered?

How do you handle the wrap-around?  For example, if this is your virtual view -

A B C D E F

Then what do you count going from F to A?  It could be 1 or 5 depending on your view.

And how do you get a set of results that contains 7 possible distances when you only have 6 groups and so can only possibly have 6 possible distances?

Sorry if I have missed something obvious - don't want to waste your time.

I tried to include all possible splits whenever possible, (Minimum is 8 units I think) But the bet always includes the 2 doublestreets on each side of the current hit (at 2 movement distance calculated in the real wheel layout) (See tracker)


In the picture doublestreets 1,2,3,4,5,6: If it hits doublestreet 3 = 1 & 5 is bet. Reverse calculation is used, Yes (the wheel is round and this is correct) If doublestreet 2 hits = 6 & 4 is bet. and so on. Zero is included in (1)


So the betting groups are:


1 hit = 3 & 5 is bet
2 hit = 6 & 4 is bet
3 hit = 1 & 5 is bet
4 hit = 2 & 6 is bet
5 hit = 3 & 1 is bet
6 hit = 4 & 2 is bet

[ignatus]

This was one continuous Live-Session i played just now at DublinBet. 30/70 wins.

That's a 42.8% winrate

WLLLWLLWLLWLLLLLLLLWWLWWWWWWLLWLWLLWLLLWLWLWWLLWWLLWWWLWWLWLWLLLLLLLWLLW

I try to figure out the best way of playing this. One option is continuous play using progression.

Another option is wait for 2 losses before placing a bet because one pattern I see here is the WLLWLLW-pattern

* If more than 3 losses in a row no bet. Wait for virtual win. (This is to avoid LLLLL-pattern)

* Play until lose, then after 2 losses in a row, start a double attack of two bets.


Other ideas are welcome!

Cheers

[Bally6354]

Just be careful with any fixed triggers ignatus.

You can get the same thing showing for days and you think you have hit pay dirt.

Then a few days later it completely vanishes. Best just to go along with whatever is happening at the time.

You have done a great job here delving into all this stuff. I hope all your hard work pays off. 

[ignatus]

Thanks.  So far so good.


What's great about this system it's based pure statistics, thinking of doing more. (someday) But that's alot of work. I've found what im looking for. This is a true flaw for live roulette. The most common movement

[ignatus]

Another live-session at DublinBet. Winrate 24/72 = 33% That's pretty close to my statistics


WWLWLLWLLLWLLWLLWLWLLWLLLLLLLLWLLLLWWLLLWLLLLWLWLLWLWWLWWLLLLLWLLWWLLLLW


Still try to figure out the W/L pattern here.


One thing for sure; More than two wins in a row is very rare So, expect loss after 2 wins in a row.


WLLWLLW pattern is reccuring here also. A good idea wait for 2 losses before bet. Then start progression.


If loss at first attack after 2 losses wait for virtual win. OR else continue progression after 2 losses. (if it can cover up for 8 losses etc) I use the +1 progression. You never know when the LLLLLL-pattern will come.

[ignatus]

The American Wheel 2-step tracker is finished!



This is the betting system:

Sector Hit: (Betting 2 step-sectors) ....best possible bets

1: (5-3) 4,14,16,34  Splits 2/5, 17/20, 22/23, 32/35
2: (6-4) 1,7,9,11,13,15,24,26,28,30,36  Split 00/3 
3: (1-5) 0,10,12,27,34  Splits 5/8, 17/20, 22/25, 29/32
4: (2-6) 1,13,15,19,24,31  Splits 3/6, 18/21, 33/36
5: (3-1) 4,8,10,12,14,16,23,25,27,29,35  Splits 0/2
6: (2-4) 00,7,11,19,26,30,33 Splits 6/9, 18/21, 28/31


I have doublechecked everything. It's correct.

00 is 37 in the tracker.


Enjoy! 

[esoito]

Ignatus...Unless I'm mistaken you seem to be based in Sweden.

If so, why on earth is the tracker for the double-zero (greedy) American wheel and not for the single-zero European wheel?

[ignatus]

Someone had a request, so I made it.


Anyway I'm working on the street system now. But it's very frustrating because I can't figure out how to use a statistical program that I need for this! Would be thankful if someone could help me out with this.


http://betselection.cc/the-pipe-dream/project-find-most-hit-street-distance/

[Albalaha]

Ignatus,
The topic is looking interesting to me but I have yet to get what u r playing actually. Wouldn't it be nice if u illustrate my given sample session. I gave you in pictorial as well as text form but nothing has been done yet. Please try to do that. I may help you with tweaking it.

[ignatus]

I already done stats for those numbers. http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/wheel-movements/msg7139/#msg7139


But i'm working on the street system now. Would be happy if you could help out with that http://betselection.cc/the-pipe-dream/project-find-most-hit-street-distance/msg7723/#msg7723


These are my latest results

[esoito]

Someone had a request, so I made it.


Ah....  that explains it!

Anyway I'm working on the street system now. But it's very frustrating because I can't figure out how to use a statistical program that I need for this! Would be thankful if someone could help me out with this.

I suggest you send a PM to Bayes.

He has the maths and statistical skills to help you with this.


http://betselection.cc/the-pipe-dream/project-find-most-hit-street-distance/

[ignatus]

Thanks

[Albalaha]

These are my second results:



1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


0 Steps (Repeats)


Result: 34/185 = 18%


Wheel Dozen Repeats




1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2

Result: 56/185 = 30%



1 Step


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


Result: 43/185 = 23%


2 Steps


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2

Result: 62/185 = 33,5 %



3 Steps


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


Result: 35/185 = 19%




End Result is exact as the first test! The 2-Step movement is most common (33.5% hitrate) closed followed on second place Wheel Dozen Repeat 30%.

What does all this mean? How much did u win or lose playing  your way?