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[ADulay]

Thanks for testing those shoes fellows.  I neglected to say I used a different strategy for those shoes where I won the four units.

The shoes yielded 3+3+3 = 9 units when I tested them using TUBS.

Well, if we can get "permission" from the author of TUBS, I'd like to post up the play from Shoe #2 which I show never goes positive after hand 14.  Obviously we're playing it differently.

AD

[Mike]

The book is 38 pages long.  The information needed could be sent in a single text message.

Right. And I'm wondering what the differences are between versions given in the first and second editions of the book. The first edition was a 368 pages long! So either the system has been radically simplified or there was an awful lot of padding in the first edition.

The reviews of the first edition are not so complementary. One reviewer states

Gives an example of 200 real live play shoes from a Casino to prove the method, but following those shoes would have seen a loss - there are thousands of shoes available like that online and they will also show the method is flawed. Such a shame, as it isn't living up to the title or the promises made.

In the opening pages of the second edition, Stephen says "I really do not understand how on earth anyone could give my book a bad review".

Perhaps because they tested the system over the 200 shoes and found that the system didn't come up to the claims made?

Stephen makes the sweeping claim that all online casino games are fixed. Just how he comes to this conclusion I would really like to know. Does that include casinos which offer live Baccarat? Again, he says that all computer generated games are essentially worthless, implying that any tests done over such shoes will not represent a fair test of the system. Apart from the issue of how he knows this, and what the differences are between computer generated shoes and those dealt from an automatic shuffle machine in a real casino, it means that he can immediately dismiss any losses generated from such shoes. Given that most players don't have access to hundreds of real live shoe results, but will HAVE to use computer generated results, a cynic might take the view that this is rather convenient.

[AsymBacGuy]

How much does it cost this book?

I guess it would be a quite high price given the HG premises.

Anyway I like when someone writes a book on gambling.
So congratulations mr Tabone!

as.   


 

[Eight Iron]

Well, if we can get "permission" from the author of TUBS, I'd like to post up the play from Shoe #2 which I show never goes positive after hand 14.  Obviously we're playing it differently.

AD

Re-checked.  You are correct.  Shoe #2 lost 5 units with TUBS.

Thanks.

[andrebac]

when the number 3 will be edited?

[Bally6354]

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Just went through these 3 shoes with my own version of VDW.

Shoe 1: +4 flat bet. (+6 with divisor, highest bet of 2)

Shoe 2: +7 flat bet. (+10 with divisor, highest bet of 2)

Shoe 3: +8 flat bet. (+11 with divisor, highest bet of 2)

cheers

[Sputnik]

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[21 Aces]

Sorry - do you mind posting definitions/ links for TUBS, VDW, etc.?  Haven't seen these terms before.  Thanks.

[ADulay]

Sorry - do you mind posting definitions/ links for TUBS, VDW, etc.?  Haven't seen these terms before.  Thanks.

Did you read this thread?  It's in there.

AD

[stephen tabone]

The guy said he has all the money he needs and he is compelled to help others. You do not have to read his material and you don't have to like it but how about letting the guy have his space and help others as he said, if they want it??  Why so derogatory? Thanks AL-RELAX

No system is perfect unless one is proven to work good enough at least to limit losses and the person using it also manages his money. I think everyone will agree to that.

[stephen tabone]

After reading your post I bought the book in Kindle form.  I read it in about an hour.  I like most of the premise of your system but not sure I like the risk/reward aspect.  I will not give anything away, but I am willing to try it.

Thanks,

John

1. on good shoes you will of course gain 3 unit wins, 2. on shoes were you struggle to gain wins, i.e. where you go maybe only 1+ unit in profit then fall back down then up again then maybe down a unit or two then recover to break even, you will be winning to get out breaking even rather than going 6- units down, if by say half the shoe it has been like this try and get out of the shoe breaking even 6- units down may refer to playing through a number of shoes if you come across bad shoes. 3. where shoe results are really bad and do not favor my strategy this is where you might take a hit, say 3- units down on two shoes thus 6- down total. But even when these times occur don't worry because in the long run over weeks you'll gain the advantage and will be many unit wins up. 

[ADulay]

No system is perfect unless one is proven to work good enough at least to limit losses and the person using it also manages his money. I think everyone will agree to that.

Stephen,

  Hopefully you won't be offended by some of the "reports" on your Ultimate Baccarat System but we do have some pretty serious and intelligent players here who can analyze and dissect pretty much anything that gets posted on the board as "new and exciting" or the "Ultimate" system play.  That's one of the reasons we're here, to see "new" ideas from time to time and see where they eventually lead to.

  We have been kind enough to NOT actually post the contents of your "book" but it is becoming harder and harder not to do so as your play is so simplistic and pretty much any player with more than six months in the game has already run "your" play and dropped it by the wayside, for several reasons.

  So please stick around and perhaps you can answer some questions that others may have.

  AD

[21 Aces]

I don't ever recall using acronyms for book titles, but ok.

[stephen tabone]

Right. And I'm wondering what the differences are between versions given in the first and second editions of the book. The first edition was a 368 pages long! So either the system has been radically simplified or there was an awful lot of padding in the first edition.

The reviews of the first edition are not so complementary. One reviewer states

In the opening pages of the second edition, Stephen says "I really do not understand how on earth anyone could give my book a bad review".

Perhaps because they tested the system over the 200 shoes and found that the system didn't come up to the claims made?

Stephen makes the sweeping claim that all online casino games are fixed. Just how he comes to this conclusion I would really like to know. Does that include casinos which offer live Baccarat? Again, he says that all computer generated games are essentially worthless, implying that any tests done over such shoes will not represent a fair test of the system. Apart from the issue of how he knows this, and what the differences are between computer generated shoes and those dealt from an automatic shuffle machine in a real casino, it means that he can immediately dismiss any losses generated from such shoes. Given that most players don't have access to hundreds of real live shoe results, but will HAVE to use computer generated results, a cynic might take the view that this is rather convenient.

The first edition strategy was weak in that the second edition I brought in the 'bullet proof' element which makes my strategy the strongest there is in terms of 1. floating around even, which is a safe way to play, i.e. not going down a lot, and going up too of course. First edition gave shoe results which I did not form they are on web. I also wrote that reader can get his/her own results from real casino shoes. No padding just a perk for reader of paperback to practice on. As I wrote 2nd edition radically improved.

Reviews relate to the 2nd edition. If you try the strategy for yourself with updated advise you can see why I wrote what I had. The claims I make are real and it works. But you have to consider the long term not the short term. Even day traders lose money in order to win money!

"Stephen makes the sweeping claim that all online casino games are fixed. Just how he comes to this conclusion I would really like to know. Does that include casinos which offer live Baccarat?"

This is my opinion, I have evidences but why should I share to those who are skeptical about anything I write. I can't see the point.

"computer generated" I didn't or have not said that I don't agree with these otherwise I wouldn't have included them in the first edition book! What concerns me is people posting up results, made up by themselves that go against my strategy that do not show it in a fair light. They could make up the worst set of results over and over. I.e. such results are not random, not computer generated, and certainly not casino table results. Okay I get your point re not everyone has the time to get 100 of live casino baccarat table results, but if the average table takes 1 hour to conclude, and there are 4x tables at that casino and you take 3 shoes results of each table then you have 12 full shoe results. If you visited a casino once per week and did the same you would have over 600 full shoe results. Still this will not help anyone who cannot understand how to use  strategy to benefit him/her. 

[stephen tabone]

Re-checked.  You are correct.  Shoe #2 lost 5 units with TUBS.

Thanks.

I cannot confirm where those results came from and I have written about exiting from a bad shoe at break even about half way through a shoe.