The pick
Second and third column.
24 numbers 12 low and 12 high numbers, 12 Red and 12 Black, 12 Odd and 12 Even.
A lazy and easy way to play . .
For recreational only. Play at your own risk
Nathan Detroit
Welcome to the fray Nathan :thumbsup:
Quote from: NathanDetroit on November 14, 2012, 12:46:35 AMA lazy and easy way to play . .
Lazy and easy yet not sleazy :D
Surely this one must be stirred with some tracking and staking plan to keep things under control.
...It is nice to see you here.
Quote from: NathanDetroit on November 14, 2012, 12:46:35 AM
The pick
Second and third column.
24 numbers 12 low and 12 high numbers, 12 Red and 12 Black, 12 Odd and 12 Even.
A lazy and easy way to play . .
For recreational playing only. Play at your own risk
Nathan Detroit
Hi ND So simple yet can be so profitable!! Do you have any idea on MM on this so we can do some testing
QuoteThe pickSecond and third column.24 numbers 12 low and 12 high numbers, 12 Red and 12 Black, 12 Odd and 12 Even.A lazy and easy way to play .
Very innovative and unique. Indeed.
Very interesting method. Many will appreciate its simplicity I'm sure.
I love the disclaimer ! :thumbsup:
That should keep the lawyers at bay.
Or Steve.......
Jl................ :forbidden:
OK fellers, a
wise cat told me this regarding this staking method:
QuoteIt`s a positive progression while taking always profits on the way up.
I'm going to try to illustrate it by running some numbers below.
It is normally not so I play 2/3 bets, but this sometimes at a BM casino using SEK 50 chips (the lowest you can use and about 7 dollars). The game can win good, but rapid lose as well. So stop if three losses may be right.
On line things differ, spins goes fast, and you can ride out a bad start using lower stakes and wait for a winning streak. All positive progressions methods are waiting for a longer hit streak and then make good.
If a robot is used a couple of 100 spins is not that much. I coded the method, and change some to suit low stake online and longer sessions( if needed).
I set a win target to 10, the first col and zero start hit very frequent and it went down 62 units rather fast ( at a BM casino I should not let it go so far using 50 SEK chips, it should have been a loss) It slowly climbed up and down and ended at 11 plus after 296 spins.
All sessions differ, but count with it can go rapid up and down even as a 2/3 bet.
This is how the 2nd and 3rd columns correlate to the Wheel:
European:
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American:
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Now I'm going to try to explain the staking plan as best as I can.
Clarifications:
5 5 is simply five on each column:
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7 7 is simply seven on each column:
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10 10 is simply ten on each column:
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@Sam/All
Could you grasp the whole progression? It is VERY EASY once you see it written in single bets line by line :)
Remember: It only rises unit AFTER A WIN, so on any loss you DROP BACK TO 5-5.
You can keep track of streaks and sleepers on the columns
by turning it into an EC. Track the 1st column and 2 5 8 11
14 17 from the 2nd column as one side, and the 3rd column
and 20 23 26 29 32 35 for the other side.
Record them as you would B/R and you can easily see when
streaks occur. It will also show you immediately which columns
are sleeping. For instance, if you see the 3rd column numbers
streaking, bet the 2nd and 3rd column. Your're only following
18 numbers, but betting on 24 gives you better odds of winning.
Bet selection is everything in roulette. Personally I would never
use a progression playing this way, you have a better chance
of leaving the table ahead just by flat betting. You don't need
a progression, you are depending on your bet selection method
to get ahead. You will always see streaks when the 1st or 3rd
columns are sleeping, and that's a lot sometimes. They can easily
sleep for 17 out of 20 spins sometimes. And when you see the
2nd colums sleeping, bet the 1st and 3rd. Don't get greedy and you
will be surprised how long you can last.
Victor
Thanks for you very plain explanation. The part I don't understand is what if you win at 5 5, then at 7 7 and then lose the 10 10. Do you just start over at 5 5? That is, you have won 5 units, then 7 units for a total of 12 units. Then you lose 20. You're down 8. Do you just eat it and move on?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 02, 2012, 08:26:56 AM
Victor
Thanks for you very plain explanation. The part I don't understand is what if you win at 5 5, then at 7 7 and then lose the 10 10. Do you just start over at 5 5? That is, you have won 5 units, then 7 units for a total of 12 units. Then you lose 20. You're down 8. Do you just eat it and move on?
Sam
Sam1
that's the way I do. I raise as long I win and goes back on loss or 5 in progression (I stop on 5). Yes you can lose the last bet, as you can lose any bet. The point is to hope for a streak, you do not always lose the last 5 bet.
I have coded it and use it some, it will not be win/loss as some inside methods, You can have a smaller bankroll. target is 10 units when I use it.
I just did a run, this time it were often a loss on the last high bet. it went back 60 units. Slowly it come back at it needed 384 spins to get to target of ten plus.
As it is a limit in progression, it is not so i would go better with a stop loss at 50, I had to start with 50 less next time and do the same climbing. In this it is other things indicating a stop. As you think you have to wait until a better point, all as you use to read the game. I use to run until I got other things waiting, and not even so the bot can run. If I lost 5000 unit I would change to other ways. I have run this for about 50 rounds and got around ten each time. It takes time, and suit online better. At a BM casino you must have plus faster or stop.
Just took a look and want to say, nice topic ...
Cheers
Hi ND.
I like your Column concept very much and i am studying all your hard work to date within this topic.
Back in 93' i mainly played only the columns as i could bet at the end of the table and not be in anyone's way,so any column idea i sit-up and take note.
Please continue......
Very Best.
Dino.
A QUOTE:
Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
There will NEVER be an infallible roulette system ( s). Every once in a while young whippersnappers come forward that they , and only they are the salvation.
This has happened many times during the past 2 centuries.
Read " THE GAMBLER" by F. Dostoyevski .
Gambling systems are for recreational purposes only .and should be played at your own risk.
N.D.
You can bend it but never break it!
Trend bettors fail to understand that what they are betting on is hindsight, and has nothing to do with proper play in the future-----even if that future is the very next spin , roll or turn of the cards."
Frank Scoblete, Casino Player Magazine May 2012
Posted for information purposes only as given by Frank Scoblete . and does not necessarily reflect the personal opinion of Nathan Detroit.
. .
ONe question. What is the least amount of numbers you should play? In your opinion.
Do you subscribe to the idea that there are better chances with few numbers because it improves the pay?
Thank you.
Wannawin,
Are you playing roulette in a single 0 wheel or a 0/00 wheel jurisdiction ?
N.D.
Quote from: NathanDetroit on February 04, 2013, 11:44:16 AM
Wannawin,
Are you playing roulette in a single 0 wheel or a 0/00 wheel jurisdiction ?
N.D.
In the local casino I have access to both. I can use double-zero in automated roulette and a single zero in manual dealer roulette.
I prefer the cheap 00.
You can call me Walter.
Walter,
That means no live dealer 0/00 wheel is available. Do you include with automated also airball or even better touch bet roulette ?
N.D.
Quote from: NathanDetroit on February 04, 2013, 04:33:01 PM
Walter,
That means no live dealer 0/00 wheel is available. Do you include with automated also airball or even better touch bet roulette ?
N.D.
Exactly. Then to be honest I prefer the automated roulette. It also has a real wheel so I do not think there is a difference to play the game as such. But of course you can not play the dealer.
The manual chips are inconvenient for me. For many years I have tried many systems for which I carry a game book for my annotations. To keep notes and count casino chips at the same time is an extra burden. In the machine the counts are all automated. Besides the fact that the draws are executed at a predictable time.
Also I prefer automated roulette for the simple reason that it is much cheaper. For the higher price of the chips at manual roulette I got to lose much more per visit with less entertainment and playtime for the same amount of allocated casino money.
Yes. I go to the casino with an allocation of the money destined for gambling in the month. And I lose like everyone I know. I use the game as a distraction and only remain hopeful of a second income over time. It isn't so hard to admit.
I do not know any professional player in real life casino. I have seen people earning well once at times but then everyone knows they are well into the well. You see asians that are winning and celebrating but all casino staff and players that see them when they leave the gaming machines often silently after several purchases know that they lose heavy too. Much more than they earn on the lucky day.
In my personal preference I do not want to take that into account the overall gains and losses. I know I have lost over the years. Still there have been good months in which the gain of my game has helped me pay debts.
I see it as a loan on my previous losses. Then I see my new losses as a loan to myself in the future. At a high rate of interest.
I do not ask a magic formula because I know nobody is going to give it to me on these forums, but at least I hope I can receive something entertaining with a reasonable likelihood of positive exit if things go well in terms of luck. Nobody wins when luck does not not accompany him.
The reality of the game on the casino floor is that there are days when you can not win regardless of the method or strategy you take. For all those who say to always win and win all the time chances are they are lying. I do not want to venture to say names but with so many winning players who post in these forums is rare anyone to make a comment on the difference between the number of professional players in real casinos and on Internet forums.
It is really refreshing to see your traditional disclaimer. The game should be first and foremost seen as entertainment. If you bring a win for the night then welcome. If not then the player must not complain because it is assumed that he eventually will be at loss. It is ok to be happy when you win but the night when the player returns from the casino without the invested allowance then he should know that it is only the expected that has happened.
No reason to feel torn.
Anyway those who are still in this game year after year know that it has ups and downs. More downs than ups in real life but still if we keep doing it is because we enjoy it.
I will study the the 22 numbers system further.
Thank you very much for your advice.
The winning formula :
Get In , Get Up, Get Out.
N.D.
The winning formula :
Sting like a bee and run like a rabbit ...
Run where? :scared:
When you will return...it s like you never left :)
Quote from: NathanDetroit
Get In , Get Up, Get Out.
Loving this quote...........could and should be the forum mantra .....it says it all.
Nathan, what is the stop loss and win limit?
Very nice ... i save this by my favorites :-))
-25STOP LOSS...but how many units on session?
ND...I like your posts. I have done for a long time.
The reason your posts are vague is because what you promote is nothing more than self control.
This is the most difficult thing of all to stay true to.
When all you have to keep you in control is yourself, it can be almost impossible to many people.
That's why all top tennis players and golfers and boxers and snooker players have mentors and sports psychologists.
Quote from: Turner on May 30, 2013, 09:42:33 PM
ND...I like your posts. I have done for a long time.
The reason your posts are vague is because what you promote in nothing more than self control.
This is the most difficult thing of all to stay true to.
When all you have to keep you in control is yourself, it can be almost impossible to many people.
that's why all top tennis players and golfers and boxers and snooker players have mentors and sports psychologists.
Turner,
I am inclined to agree with your post.
ND
Where I can find to buy this book or somewhere free?
Quote from: zabbot on June 13, 2013, 02:05:42 PM
Where I can find to buy this book or somewhere free?
You might find a cop[y in a US library.
" SO YOU WANNA BE A GAMBLER" Advanced roulette 406 pages blue solid cover.
Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 28, 2013, 09:11:33 PM
The magic 22 s are the rule from now on just as they have been good to me for the past 19 years.
Good on you Nathan. The "tried and true" methods are the keepers.
Almost 2 decades of use for a bet going strong certainly says a lot on itself :thumbsup:
(most methods are binned before two months!!)
ND
Yes thank you, it is one of the best system I have played together with
Action 22 numbers that u have put on the forum. Again thanks for sharing.
Cheers
R
Not just the WHEEL that makes the world go`round
Cabaret- Money (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8P80A8vy9I#)
ND
ND...this is American wheel, yes? due to the wheel positioning of those 2 columns?
So Long for now. Until we meet again
Considering the current interest in regard to column play I thought to bring back this thread.
For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.
Thanks Nathan Detroit.
Wow to see Ralph, Razor, Spike and many others harmoniously in one thread is timely and the contributions from Vic as well. Turner's comment is very apt.
Yes there is a lot of energy in the column research at this time.
Nice to see threads on columns or dozens. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Rouletta on June 29, 2013, 08:01:02 PM
ND
Yes thank you, it is one of the best system I have played together with
Action 22 numbers that u have put on the forum. Again thanks for sharing.
Cheers
R
Where can I read up on this strategy?
Additional information on columns:
http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/
Quote from: NathanDetroit on February 13, 2016, 09:44:30 PM
Additional information on columns:
http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/
Tried some zumma pages and results came out as the same mish mash it usually does.
\What happens right in front of you counts .That should be obvious to any one with some experience at roulette tables.It is an EC based bet selection
To refer to this method as mishmash is a sign of Mogul`s lack of experience.
Mogul...mogul.....mogul.....
Sometimes I wonder if Mogul is hard of hearing.
Minds should be treated like parachutes.................They must be open to function.
This is a thread about the second and third column and includes a well discussed positive progression.
Please take the time and read this entire thread from the beginning before commenting.
Thank you.
When a lot of posts have been removed by the author of this topic, how do you expect democracy of different opinions and approaches to be alive??
Perhaps it's best, according to the author of this topic, to speak and listen to ONLY what he wants, but this has never helped to evolve in any way, at any time.
Then create your own thread.. But don`t bring a gnawed bone like dozens into this seldom discussed subject of columns..
.This subjects heading is 2 nd and 3 rd column.
I have given someone the link to your reply # 45 above. So stop your belly aching
Quote from: RouletteGhost on February 19, 2016, 11:51:21 PM
please see my column method in my blog, thanks
Your method isn't better than mine, why should I bother??
Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 20, 2016, 12:27:02 AM
Your method isn't better than mine, why should I bother??
ok then don't
It is not WHAT you bet but HOW you bet..
..............and knowing WHEN to leave a session.
ND
I've to admit, betselection.cc is the place where great roulette spirits are coming together!;-)
Hey ND,
Would you recommend any charting of the table beforehand with this strategy or just jump on & get stuck in?
(This may be a stupid question, I am new here).
Quote from: leesnose on February 25, 2016, 02:15:45 PM
Hey ND,
Would you recommend any charting of the table beforehand with this strategy or just jump on & get stuck in?
(This may be a stupid question, I am new here).
Charting is of no help.Just consider the last spin result to be in either the second and third column.
ND
Quote from: NathanDetroit on March 14, 2016, 12:46:09 PM
Charting is of no help.Just consider the last spin result to be in either the second and third column.
ND
So, have you ever seen the global effect revealed clearly in charting? To ignore it for any reason tells me that I have failed to communicate anything of value.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 16, 2016, 04:12:09 PM
So, have you ever seen the global effect revealed clearly in charting? To ignore it for any reason tells me that I have failed to communicate anything of value.
Everybody fails to communicate anything of value to ND..
The global effect as you call it is sometimes clearly visible to experienced players, especially through charts.
I just don't have the RAS to confidently predict its stability when actually placing real money bets.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 20, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
I've to admit, betselection.cc is the place where great roulette spirits are coming together!;-)
And what do you think of that comment now?
If charting makes your day then go ahead.
Maybe this might be more to someones liking http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/
For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.
Quote from: greenguy on March 17, 2016, 12:04:41 AM
!.)Everybody fails to communicate anything of value to ND..
2.)The global effect as you call it is sometimes clearly visible to experienced players, especially through charts.
3.)I just don't have the RAS to confidently predict its stability when actually placing real money bets.
1. -- That's funny. I've always like ND, and always will. I love the way he plays Nathan Detroit on the forums.
2. -- ... and it clearly does not appear to be happening at times too. But Oh Boy when it goes Nuclear, do I love that.
3. -- I can't predict its stability either. But it only takes a couple of risky bets that graduate upward for just a couple of spins to find out, with the original risked bet being not much bigger than a flat betting method. It's a method of checking to see if you are in a whirlwind of repetitive characteristics.
That's when it is time to spank the casino. I'm experienced at taking chances on it. So I'm comfortable with a loss that shows it's not really happening. It only represents a flat bet loss to me to try. I just know to hammer it if it continues.
Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 21, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
If charting makes your day then go ahead.
Maybe this might be more to someones liking http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/
For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.
Nathan, I think we see what you are saying. But the part that's missing is, if you
put yourself in the middle, playing like you are treading water, then what is the
plan or goal in play. And how do you get there?
These methods will, obviously, drift back and forth like a pendulum while using no
specific thing to push it one way or the other. But there needs to be some methodology.
Can you add that in? (And please without another "non answer"?)
First of all I decide BEFORE going to the casino that I am p;laying the second and third columns for that particular casino visit.My plan is to win 2 out of 3 sessions.
At the casino I am deploying a well disciplined MM method consisting of four parts.
Well that makes perfect sense. I decide what I am (or am not) going to do when
I go and DO IT!!!
Like last week when I thought I'd give the 1,3,9 grassroots thing a try. And lost
at the 3rd group of 3. $120 at a $5 table ($130 minute the 2 wins), and got it out
of my system. Just turned the grinder and let it run.
But I think that the cautious approach is what helps. Like your 3 loss rule.
That loss was the first actual play "run" that I've made in possibly a decade.
But my plan is in place when I walk in.
But your answer still doesn't delineate much of what you smugly seem
to portray as a leg up through your picture of Sanatra and guarded descriptions
which create mystery.
HAPPY WINNINGS to All.
Know your exit strategies .
Time for me to move on.Where ever I go it shall always be " My Way".
Nathan Detroit aka WASHOO2 aka Tamino
Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 21, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
If charting makes your day then go ahead.
Maybe this might be more to someones liking http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/
For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.
There are two sides of how to look at this.
I totally agree with ND on this matter.
On the other side, "charting" gives you some mental sense of
what you just did an how to proceed. In discussions with Izak
(Let's talk about winning) and others sometimes someone will
suggest, "just play the method and guess at the bet selections
and see how it works".
The truth becomes that it will be the same. It's just that, somehow
under the covers, we don't trust our own judgement. That's the
bottom line. And "charting" gives us something to blame.
That certainly doesn't mean that I just guess. Even ND has his
"method" by picking the two dozens.
And while I'm thinking about this on that point, let me re tell my
story from about 20 years ago where I met an online guy named Victor.
He waited for 5-6 1st columb in a row. Then bet the other two (like ND)
for $500 each. Having a stop loss and win target. And the result was the
result.
One of the most ballsy and intuitive ways to play. Made the most sense.
Slight variation of staying out of the mix. Just make ONE $100,000 bet and
forget it. But I can see shades of what ND does from this. It is NOT an
exact science. Just a methdolody.
Cause stuff IS going to happen. It's just a matter of how bad it will hurt you.
Having said that, I think that "charting" should be used to watch and identify
patterns and trends. I'm working on that now. The simple clustering of events.
Like doubles. Singles. And streaks.