Quote from: Atlantis on September 08, 2017, 03:32:51 PM
Hi alrelax,

Tabone's back because he isn't doing very well on his OWN forum. You see he only has a piddling 9 members and no doubt most of those are aliases.. Heee Heee 
He can't get ppl to sign up and join it. They're not interested. And nobody else wants him on their forums too! They know what he's like and capable of!
He wants, needs and craves publicity for his book selling campaign and since he cannot post any of his book links on gamblingforum due to member restrictions there (where I exposed him), he'd rather come back on here with his proxies because he thinks he's more chance to get away with it and muster some badly needed exposure by rekindling interest for his ebooks.
How terribly sad is that?

A.

If Tabone and his books are on another forum then what would he be doing here? how do you know he is here?

I checked his sales rate and he is selling books so why would he come here? Also this is not a big forum so I think if he did go on other forums it would be on bigger ones wouldn't it not on this one? What would be the point because it can't be about sales when as I wrote his books are selling well.

Quote from: audionut on August 11, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
For what it's worth, I've looked at 4 live casino shoes (Black Orchid) and Stephens system 3.0 won every one...I KNOW that's not an exhaustive amount of research..but I can't say the same for a lot of the systems I've tried...

For those on the bench about deciding whether or not to get the book, I DON'T think it's a rip-off...he claims to have tested over 10k live shoes to get his bet selection, and it seems to be valid, at least to my simple mind and limited observation...

Been around doing this a long time, (I use a system that lets me win every shoe or at least 99% of them...please don't ask me what it is because it's my main moneymaker and until I make my million will NOT even consider sharing it) but Stephens 3.0 looks to be what he says it is...I know he's had a rough time on this board, but I believe he's sincere and using his system himself...

Is that the 'golden secret' by tabone cos I bought the silver bullet proof baccarat winning strategy in paperback and I'm winning using it.

Took it to casino and was reading part of it on the table, pit boss told me to put it away, went back with system in my head and continue to win. Since I bought 2.1 I'm up 90units.

Quote from: alrelax on September 05, 2017, 12:38:47 PM
The Power of Memory

An extremely dangerous thing at the baccarat table.  Perhaps at times and I do believe those times that it will help you---are far less than those that will hurt you.  Especially when the game is fast moving and you are trying to speed up the win or favorable hands.

I watched the past few days and really watched.  Myself, thought about and reasoned out 'why' I wagered certain wagers, the dealer and the dealer's effect on most players, the players and how or 'why' they wagered (at least the ones that I really know). 

And, I have come up with one common reason that highly effects the player.  That is memory.  The power of memory and its effects.  Many times you remember things—the highest majority of those times you should also be conscious of that remembrance popping up and how it effects your wager.  Here, let me give you an example I did not even realize until just now while writing this piece.  The Fortune-7 wager I hit on Friday night with the $40 for $1,600 payout and I slid $10 off my wager for the dealer's wager/tip.  That dealer if I remember correctly, I never hit an F-7 with her an she is a regular dealer on the baccarat rotation at the property I go to locally most often.  She almost never gives an F-7.  Not superstition, just all the times I am there and what many say, she just almost never deals them.  As a regular player will remember these things it can hurt or help them like I am saying.  Most times I wager the F-7 I do it for one of two reasons.  I really think it will hit for a reason other than camaraderie or just a lucky attempt to prevail.  And secondly, the camaraderie for one reason or another, following what a dealer is saying or another player.  When she sat down she looked at me and said, 'are you ready for some Fortune 7's'?  And I said, 'you never give them to us'.  She laughed, I laughed, the whole table laughed.  A few hands into it I said, 'okay let's go' and I put up $25 and a nickel for her.  No F-7.  I let the next hand go by without another attempt.  Then I threw up the $50 in red and slid off $10 for her just to exploit her not doing an F-7.  I did feel it, and was not wagering every hand on it.  But for the sake of 'memory' discussion here, if I allowed my memory to overrule me--I would not have even tried as I did in the past with this particular dealer and the F-7 wagers. 

Reason Being:  You will remember far more of the positive things rather than the negative ones.  Most of us are taught, 'put the bad things out of your mind', 'don't think or dwell on that', and all sorts of similar defenses to the bad things that affect us—from losing money at gambling, losing money in business, spouses cheating or leaving us, parents getting sick and passing away, all sorts of negative things—tons and tons of them.  As well our minds will foster, hold, dwell on and cherish the good things, about the reverse of the bad/unpleasant things.  Winning with a certain dealer, winning in a certain property, winning using a certain mechanical pre-scheduled bet placement method, etc., etc.  Then we lose more than we win with counting on those specific things to reoccur.  I see it all the time at baccarat and just never really defined it as I just did over the weekend!  It was clear and most of us are guilty of it.  Just human nature probably. 

We fall prey to our own mistakes and our own lack of training/experience or control of a situation.  Whether in baccarat or other things.  I suggest you pay more attention to your conscious state and your reasoning's at the baccarat table rather than the other player's gut feelings, the loud mouth dealer, the aura and the superstitions that 'systems', modules, or some computer generated something said over 1,000,000 shoes this or that will happen.  As well as the common non-system 'brew ha-ha' comes about at most baccarat tables.  The words from most players and most dealers are pure 'chit chat' at the table and mean nothing.  An experienced, calm, conscious baccarat player with well thought out and 100% conscious wagers for the 'right' reasons rather than following the hero, following the good looking female with lots of cash, following the advice of a dealer that gets an erection just attempting to call the shots because he plays baccarat also at another casino and claims how much money he makes (if he does than why in the world is he dealing for $500 a week also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and the endless list of scenarios such as those!  Sure, it is great to go along with another, win and high five.  But usually those repeated attempts will backfire with forthcoming misery.  You do not and they do not get up and leave once the little win streak of 7 out of 10 great wagers are made!  Does not generally happen.  You and them--generally sit there and lose it all and buy-in once again.  The celebrated winning hands are far, in fact hugely out-numbered by the losing hands.  Repeatedly, day in and day out, night after night.  Period.  Come on guys, I seen it clearly and just spelled it out.

The way I look at it now, following someone, appeasing the dealer, going along with a wager because some superstition or other than attempting to be 'along with the crowd' type of wagering, is like eating a super high calorie sweet treat.  I am in my 50's, I am reasonably in shape and almost height to weight proportioned.  I have all my teeth and only 2 cavities and no gum problems.  I don't want to join a gym and work out.  Etc., etc.  I love chocolate, sweets and ice cream, LOL.  But when I eat it, I got to get the sugar off my teeth and rinse out.  In fact I brush my teeth 10-15 times a day and rinse out probably 6 or more.  My little 5 year old just went to the dentist 2 weeks ago.  4 Cavities.  Now, he whines and says he does not want his teeth drilled and fixed and he says, "I will fix them myself and brush like you daddy".  Point of that is no different than following all the loony tune 'brew ha-ha' at baccarat.  I follow it once or twice here and there and then brush it away and get back to normal!  Seriously, no different. 

And to those people that say, "I don't have to even worry about this stuff, because I am wagering for the repeat after the cut", etc., and all the other fallacies that systems and book authors are writing to con people out of money.  And I say in response to that, it will not prevail for yourself, sorry--if it did you would still be at the casino playing and raking in millions of dollars.

Be conscious of your memory and where you are actually pulling your wagering decisions from at the table.  There is a difference, a huge difference.

I don't understand what you're trying to say and you not wrote in code but spell it out properly please.

Quote from: Kimo Li on November 18, 2014, 03:52:34 PM
Greetings,

I wanted to add another numerology aspect. Each of the 9 groups is also the root of each number.

1] 01 10 19 28
2] 02 11 20 29
3] 03 12 21 30
4] 04 13 22 31
5] 05 14 23 32
6] 06 15 24 33
7] 07 16 25 34
8] 08 17 26 35
9] 09 18 27 36

For example, notice the sum of each number and continue to add each number.

1] 01 10 19 28
1] 01 10 10 10
1] 01 01 01 01

Just a thought.

Kimo Li

How far would you continue to add?

Quote from: toknoy on August 26, 2017, 04:06:12 PM
just like alrelax, the devil, you never stop sending BULLCRAP vidsos why not be an author like stephen to address a larger crowd! 

I'd rather buy a system book like stsephen's than pay into scam like the devils are supporting. How can they even allow this scam on this forum, it's crazy guys.

Did you know they actually banned stephen from this site I read on another forum, crazyness...and it turns out his system is one of, if not the best, system in the world.

I bought the 2.1 silver bullet proof on amazon and I use it all the time. I'm winning using it and can't find a better one that beats it. can't wait for his tie book coming out this month as I read on another forum. And his got a roulette system coming out too but I don't play roulette.

Quote from: Armilar on June 14, 2017, 03:29:34 PM
Hi Stephen,

I purchased your 2nd edition TUB book a few months ago from a word of mouth recommendation.

Would be great to be added to the list

Thanks.

I bought the 2.1 book silver bullet proof baccarat winning strategy and I am waiting for stsephen's baccarat tie book coming out this month.

Quote from: alrelax on June 28, 2017, 12:49:44 PM
Unfortunately there is some hatred on this board.  Some boards have this and some don't.  Before you say some don't--I will tell you there are some technical and business boards I am on and they certainly do not have this kind of back and forth and false accusation by their members.  But, it is what it is.

I do believe as Lungyeh says, people without full time businesses to run or work at, have lots of time and creativity efforts to put into this board.  Didn't say whether that is positive or negativity messages and things--just said lots of time.  And if I don't immediately answer something--then all of a sudden I went silent or gave up or it was fake cause i can't respond, etc.  I have a full time 24/7 emergency service business that has too much work, not enough employees and I have scheduling problems, especially around holidays and the summer time.  Lots of my jobs are on the interstate and the scheduling and deployment is a nightmare.  With that said, gambling i not a grind, have to do everyday, need a hundred and fifty dollars to live daily thing.  I gamble, i go for gusto most of the time, i risk 100% of my buy-in I bring to the casino, i do not play on-line, i have no commercial interest or personal care if anyone sells a book, puts on a seminar or does any other commercial venture with gaming, gambling, casinos, or baccarat. 

As far as Stephen, I jumped on him when he came on this board because he plastered all over it about his best selling baccarat books and other books, etc.  I felt and was endorsed by Vic that he should become a sponsor (which i am privy to the deal and it is not exactly correct or on track with the other ones, but whatever) because he is a commercial venture and that removes him from the regular free member and a bias does exist.  He should have his own Blog-Section to sell his commercial products, no problem.  The board never used to have this ability and recently Vic decided he needed the income to support the board.  All good, no problems.  However, unlike the other sponsors that maintain their sections and answer questions and offer their products, etc., Stephen gets involved in other sections of the board and he gets personal, takes offense and challenges others.  We are not selling anything, and there is the main and huge difference of opinion and facts.  Also as many have pointed out, what works for me might not work for another because of personal believes and deployment of the 'way', etc.  Also about Stephen is his flip-flopping.  He likes you sincerely as long as you side with him and endorse him to a certain point, other wise he will academically and with larger words and links attempt to discredit you and run you down in order to protect his #1 Amazon selling all time list baccarat books.  He has doesn't this now with me a couple of times.  All fin, no problem, he has brought out his true colors.  I would love to publish things i know about Stephen from our PM's, emails and other internet finds, but I will not-I will drop it after this.   

One last this about Stephen in my book as well as systems.  That is no system can work on the higher majority of shoes, whether consecutively or taking a break and coming back.  Does not matter.  Stephen seems to think that a few units can win easily and then stop and return another time and do again.  I say, if it works--play it--become rich, no become wealthy past rich!  Buy his book, it's only $20 or $30 or $40. Almost anyone on this board or anywhere can certainly afford that.  I myself buy more garbage ad more books than that each and every month or so, no one will go broke buying Stephen's book, that is for sure!  So buy it, play it and become multi millionaires!.  Stay here and argue about it, foolish.  Where are all the people that bought the books here and all their rock solid testimony???

IMO and that of many many others--any shoe can be real.  Unless you are talking about 60 bankers and 10 players and 10 ties or something like 40 ties and 40 players and 2 bankers.  Seriously, if you don't understand, you have not played baccarat for very long.  If you do understand and played for a while, and you are calling my shoes fake, you have an agenda and that is plain and simple.  Anything and everything happens in baccarat.  IMO, a good system will work and should profit on at least 8 or 9 out of 10 shoes o matter what.  No matter the fluctuation of prevailing hands and their events (meaning-patterns and trends) or the amount of the wagers or the actual amount of shoes played non-stop.  I do not see Stephens system doing that from those 16 shoes I posted and had someone that understand his system run them.  They are posted at "16 Live B&M Shoes" in the baccarat forum on this board.  According to another member Stephen's system won 8 shoes and lost 7 shoes.  All fine and good.  Stephen refused to run is system against those shoes and those shoes are 100% real.  He claims they are fake, all good nothing i can say except they are not and to any experienced baccarat player, there is nothing wrong with them, pretty typical looking shoes.  Stephen also claims, which baffles me, y score cards are too messy, written on, notes on, + signs on, etc.,  which cause them to lose credibility, etc.?  Okay, all fine, sorry that is they we play baccarat around here at the table.  I used to always throw then away after each and every shoe at the casino.  I only saved some to put on this board here--guess i should rethink that and leave it all up to the systems commercial guy to run the board and set the protocol and have everyone post and ask for his permission to be on the board here???  I guess.

Part of the mob?  Seriously, WTF?  No idea and stop the nonsense, seriously my 4 year old makes up better stores about Five Nights of Freddy and himself things and adventures!

WTF is the $1,000 workshop have to do with me?  Again, stop the nonsense.  And from an honors graduate of a major university who is writing million dollar winning baccarat systems what will soon bankrupt the casinos?  Why the stories and the made up mob and workshop collusion stuff?  Prove i am part of it!

"Quoted From Lungyeh":

1) I mentioned I lost my bankroll playing Greg Fletcher's system because I ran into several shoes with predominant 2s. That must hve been ages ago. Long before TUBS and Steven coming here. I never knew about TUBS then. I said I wanted to buy TUBS but instead I bought the wrong book Baccarat Players Advantage promoted by another member of the forum for US$50! Wth! And there is no system in the book. When I am not traveling n free I will sit down to order TUBS and see what the furore is all about 

Alrelax: [The sad part of systems.  There is evidence, as i said--if Stephens system is a number 1 best selling book of all time on Amazon--where are all the testimonies and proof of the winners and the $$$, "Show me the Money", would go an awful long way, except, "stay tuned it is coming" but i am Superhuman and can out do everybody and everything in gambling, etc.  Again sheer nonsense]

2) like most people here, I have other things to do. I have several businesses to run. Some have other jobs. Alrelax, I know has a thriving business to manage. It just would be unfathomable to think that he would go and create fake shoes to be nemesis for Steven's book. Maybe Gizmo, you may have more time and have the intellect to do things fast and furious given that running a roulette school for 4-5 pax may not  be too time demanding. People who have not worked full time or managed business(es) full time in recent years tend not to know the time demands. I am just assuming Alrelax got better things to do. I can speak on his behalf on that. If the accusations fall on you as the one creating th fake shoes, I may take the same stance because I really don't believe someone would take the time to do that. But I also may not because I really don't know if you really have the time and leisure to do it

Alrelax: [Absoutley, thank you Lungyeh--spot on.]

3) I am not part of the mob against Steven. My last posting is was also addressed to alrelax to remind him we have many people with many different ideas and perhaps he should take heed. My position is that there would always be a nemesis for each and every system. I don't know why you say I am part of the mob. I may mob against you Gizmo. Its just that I don't think you are worth my time given my experiences with you. I neither have the time nor energy to spar with people whose full time job is running a roulette college for 4-5 pax and claim a superior intellect to devise fully guaranteed win systems. All the best to you Gizmo. Just done drag me into your battle with alrelax. I would be a better friend than enemy.

Alrelax: [Again, thanks--spot on.  No idea and no connection with the mob against Stephen.  But then anyone not siding with him is turned into the bad members and a few of them are picked on if they respond with aggressive words as I do.]

In closing:

The whole key to baccarat is coming at it from all directions, not with any one or two or three systems or ways.  By systems and ways I mean--pre-selected preconceived scheduled wager placement methods.  They will not prevail the highest majority of the total shoes you play over time.  Sure, maybe one day or two days or 1 month, but not 80 out of 100 shoes or 400 out of 500 shoes.  Sorry, no systems or no person's set ways will allow that, including mine and that is why i have changed years ago to using what i know in some shoes and not within other shoes.  Meaning--what works on one might not work an the next or even in the second half of the current one.  The way to prevail at baccarat is to attack it from all directions, what works in one shoe might not work in the next or again---it might and therein lies the problem.  You have to add money management, certain ways to guarantee your hold on most of your win money, the ability to risk more than a few units to continue but not to hurt yourself, progressions, complete open mindedness and the vision to wager on a run or streak, on singles, on doubles, on 1's and 3', on 3 or4 and cuts, etc., etc., etc. and so on. 

Just look at a true high dollar shoe won by the players at one table.  We literally took a couple hundred thousand dollars out of the dealer's rack.  Stephen's system lost 1 unit this shoe.  This shoe is a player's dream, happens one shoe in about 40 if you are playing a couple days a week, a few shoes a night.  These are the shoes anyone can prevail at, or at least should.  Nothing against his system or anyone's system.  My example shows you, what a system can or cannot do.  The shoe and thread is posted with an actual casino screen shot as well as my own score card (all scribbled on) on this board in the baccarat room entitles, "Actual 30k Win Shoe".

Stephen's system won 8 and lost 7 on those shoes, but that is the same as me saying I will only wager on the 3's/4's and then cut.  I will miss the streaks but i will catch the on plenty.  Problem with that, you will lose you winnings most of the time when it makes 5's to 10's on the run.  You have to go with stuff and then you have to know when to cut back.  I wrote a series of 10 articles entitled 1 of 10, 2 of 10, 3 of 10, etc., in my Blog Room on the first page of it.  I address a lot of what I just mentioned, too much for one paragraph to explain.  But those that say I am fake and lie, are only defending and protecting their own commercial venture which is contradictory to an actual winning system that can and will prevail the highest majority of all shoes you play.  If it did--they would not be on this board fighting and second, hey would allow their book to get into the mainstream and truly revolutionize the entire gambling world virtually overnight. 

IMO, Stephen's system which is a knock off of TUBS, etc., can win and lose at certain times, the same as any other limited preconceived scheduled wagering placement method at baccarat will do. I understand Stephen's hype and motivation, I am sorry I turned silent to you and stopped endorsing you to a certain point, you and your comrades, Gismo26 (AKA) Gizmotron, Green Guy, etc., helped achieve that.  In your professional career of writing, I understand.  I compare it to my hazardous maters response business.  Like when I was arrested a bit ago by a state police rookie trooper and handcuffed and pulled off a major job on the interstate because I got mad at him for asking me 20 times, "how much longer until my interstate is reopened"?  Of course the captain at the barracks released me without charges and drove me back to the scene of the crash with a stern lecture to take it easy on his troopers, etc. It is in my Blog for those of you who desire to learn about that one.  I truly can relate Stephen.  Think about what you said to me and think about what your system truly is and can do.  Think about how you outright insulted me and accused me of fake shoes, setting you up, being part of the mob, being in collusion with courses in Vegas and casinos, among other things that are not true or accurate at all.  As well, you have not one piece of evidence whatsoever.  None, zero, zilich, nadda, zip.  And all that happened because I did not side with you, endorse you and others led you to say--everything you have about the shoes I posted that are not fake, but if they were they were written and matched up to your system that would put it in a bad light???  Seriously, then why when i had someone run those 16 live shoes posted here on this board, your system won and prevailed at 8 of them???  Seriously?  Your systems won 8 of the shoes.  Again, not bad, but on the other hand--it will not prevail he highest majority of even 16 shoes.  That is a fact. Maybe the next 16 shoes it will win every one!!  Maybe not.  Again, the exact same as paying something like 3 or 4 repeats and then cut.  Wager for the cut, you might win every time for one shoe or 5 shoes straight.  Then you lose during the subsequent shoes.  That is baccarat, you can't change it. You are convinced you have and did.  You did not, IMO.

You blame me for lots of bad things and discrediting you, or at last my attempt to discredit you.  I am sorry if that is the case.  I merely was defending the facts that your system cannot and will not win the highest majority of shoes.  I did notice in the beginning you were saying every shoe and than switched to coincide with something like 75/25% of the shoes played.  I still don't understand wining all the time 3 units but a stop loss of losing 6 units.  If it is really a winning 'system' it would not lose?  I am once again sorry all this happened.  I think you should have presented your book(s) in a different light instead of the 'holy-grail' and talking down about anything, anybody and all the accusations you have inflicted. You have stopped me from even thinking about buying your book and any other possibilities of anything in the future that could have benefited the both of us.  I am not the person others have led you to believe.

Thank you, Alrelax.

Allrelax I'm new here too, can you say without a shadow of any doubt that your way of playing is the best and that stsephen's is not?

I got a copy of that book on amazon called, the silver bullet proof baccarat winning strategy 2.1 and I can't see any wrong with it. I checked it on many shoes and it performs great. He has another book called the "golden secret" baccarat system.

Are you also saying that this is no good? Because the silver bullet proof book works so why shouldn't the golden secret.

I went to a number of other forums and read posts from people that use his systems and recommend his books. If you have a better system can you send a link?