Quote from: Mick on June 02, 2014, 06:21:04 AM
Hi I am Mick and am new here. This is an interesting observation Dane thanks I must try myself.

Hi Mick
Welcome!
Good luck!
I myself suffered a loss. Sorry!

As promised I have looked at the lisr from 17.03.2014, table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden.

Session 1 begins with the first spin of the day
and ends right after the 14TH spin, as 25 is being added to 19 & 22. We win.
Session 2 ends 15 spins later as 13 comes. See 7-10-13-16. We don´t win.
Session 3 ends 14 spins later, as 36 becomes united with 30 & 33. We win.
Session 4 ends 19 spins later. 25 comes. See 19-22-25-28. We don´t win.
Session 5 ends 16 spins later. 26 comes and closes the gab between 23 and 29. We don´t win.

                                     AS USUAL: FIVE SESSIONS PER DAY.

Quote from: plolp on March 18, 2014, 04:40:28 PM
Have you tried to "Permanenzen vom Tisch 3 vom 17.03.2014" wiesbaden ?

I´ll test it and report back later. I must remember to eat, meditate, sleep.....

Quote from: plolp on March 18, 2014, 03:55:24 PM
OK Dane   thank you .

Right before writing I had  given  blood for the 50TH time as a blood donor . I did not know if I could concentrate
on the numbers. Hopefully I passed the test.

Quote from: plolp on March 18, 2014, 12:33:13 PM
can  you give another example please?

13
10	you bet 16-7 ??
--	--	--
29
	0
24
35
2
6
10
35
	18
26
22
4
	0
		23
4
2
		30
--	--	--
		32
		36
17
		3
		32
33
20
		23
--	--	--
24
		1
	0
10
31
17

With pleasure:
13
10...yes start betting 16 & 7
29
0
24
35
2
6
10
35
18
26...Add 23 to betting.
22
4...Leave 7!
0
4
23...END OF THIS SESSION! EXACTLY two numbers side by side (26-29) met one more adjacent number!
We start a new session with 36 blank Spaces:
4
2
30
32
36
17
3
32
33....At least three numbers NeXT to each other in any column ends each session. See 30-33-36
We did not even bet in this second session. 33 came and filled the gab between 30 and 36.

The 3rd session starts here:
20
23...start betting 17 & 26.
24
1
0
10
1
31
17....We won! End of session. 20 & 23 met one more number. See EXACTLY THREE numbers: 17-20-23.

Quote from: VLS on March 15, 2014, 01:51:24 PM
Thanks for sharing Dane 

I always liked the "zones" methods


Good on you mate

Quote from: Mr J on March 15, 2014, 11:56:26 PM
"I use a pen and a piece of paper" >>> Sounds like me.

Ken

Thanks for your replies.
"AND WHO KNOWS WHICH IS WHICH AND WHO IS WHO" (Pink Floyd).
In Rouletteforum.cc my method was compared to one from Mr. J (by GLC).

After that I needed 453 units.
But right after 105 x 5 sessions I had 896 units.
896/525 = 1.7066666666666666666666

With my new system I seem to end approx. 60% of all sessions with a hit (flat betting Straight Up).
I use a pen and a piece of paper with 12x3 Squares or Spaces reserved for the coming numbers of the three columns.  EACH SESSION ENDS WHEN AT LEAST THREE NUMBERS NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN ANY COLUMN HAVE TURNED UP. For example 1-4-7, 20-23-26-29 or 24-27-30.
I have placed my deadline right after the 120TH spin. And so far I have been able to finish FIVE SESSIONS within 120 spins.

I asked myself how at least three adjacent numbers in any column come. Did 1-4-7 come with 4 filling the gab between 1 and 7?
Or did TWO adjacent numbers there meet one more adjacent numbers in the column?
I then discovered that six times out of ten EXACTLY two adjacent numbers meet exactly one more number.
SO I GET A HIT WHEN EXACTLY THREE ADJACENT NUMBERS IN ANY COLUMN IS A RESULT OF TWO ADJACENT NUMBERS PLUS ONE (not as a result of two isolated numbers being united).
So: If 1 and 4 have come (but not 10) I bet 7.
      If 20 and 23 have come (but not 14 and 29 I bet 17 and 26.
And so forth and so on.
Here is one session:
11
9
24
25
16
1
1
3
30
1
16
7
21...Start betting 18.
12...Add 15 to your betting.
26
15...End of session. See EXACTLY thre numbers Next to each other in the 3RD column: 9-12-15.

The lists (Permanenzen) from SPIELBANK WIESBADEN, year 2011, table 3, are available on the net.
I always start a visit with the first spin of the day. And each day with spins gives me five sessions.
Right after the 41ST day: 681 units won.
Right after the 46TH day: 422 units.
The profit dropping 259 units should not surprise any experienced player.

Right after the 76TH day: 878 units (new record in this test series). The first 76 days of 2011 with five sessions per day: 380 sessions.
878/380 = 2.31.
Good luck!
    Dane

Quote from: kawa4711 on October 20, 2013, 09:32:32 PM
Sorry, I see, ist regarding columns
Best regards

kawa4711

You are right. I bet Straight Up, but the patterns appear in the columns.  Here is one session. In the beginning I just write the numbers in the spaces of the columns without betting.
14  34  1  13  3  15  30  32  0  24  . A group of three (24-27-30) may come in the 3RD column, before two adjacent numbers in any column. I start betting 27.

22
35... I leave 27. A group of TWO has come (32 & 35 in the 2ND column). Now I hope that a group of at least FOUR comes before any group of THREE. It can´t happen in the NEXT spin, so I must wait a little
13
27... A group of THREE came: 24-27-30. Does a group of FIVE come before any group of FOUR?
7
25
21...Unfortunately not. A group of FOUR: 21-24-27-30. Does a group of at least SIX come before any group of FIVE?
        It may happen in the NEXT SPIN. I  start betting 18..
19
13
29
16...A group of FIVE (13-16-19-22-25). I leave 18. Apparantly Lady Luck keeps on "counting". But does a group of at least SEVEN come before any group of SIX?
       It could happen in the NEXT SPIN. I start betting 10.
11
32
3
11
24
36
31...I add 28 to my betting.
22
1
13
9
4
35
32
20
12... I add 18 to my betting
32
8
32
34
12
10...HIT. In the 1ST colum at least SEVEN adjacent spaces  have been filled in (1-4-7-10-13-16-19-22-25). Before SIX next to each other.
                                                                 Best regards
                                                                       Dane

How dare I use the word logic here? I might not always have been logical. But I do believe that there is  some logic in this. Please correct me if I am wrong!
Required for each session: A pen and a piece of paper with 12 X 3 spaces. Reserved for 1-36. Simply fill  in the spaces as the numbers come.
In each column we are able to see groups. It is obvious that a group of two is likely to come first. Side by side. Exactly two adjacent written numbers are more likely to be seen than three. Similarly three numbers side by side in some column should appear  before four. And so forth and so on.

Does this mean that we should expect to see groups of two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, and twelve groups IN THIS ORDER?
NO!
Sooner or later a group with more number should come before a smaller group.
When it happens, I win with flat betting. It might happen very soon. If 3 and 9 have come first, I bet 6. Hoping to see the group of 3-6-9 before any group of two appears somewhere within the columns. After winning I end the session.
If two adjacent spaces have been filled in  - not three - we should hope to see FOUR OR MORE numbers side by side in some column.
If groups of two, three, and four numbers have come in that order? Then the next goal should be at least SIX side by side. Not five.
And so forth and so on.
With groups of many numbers it make take too long. I have placed a dead line right after the 120TH spin.
The initial tests (from the first days of 2011, table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden):
1.  +16.  Five next to each other came before four next to each other.
2.  +34.  Four    -   -    -      -       -         -  -      three  -    -    -      -   .
3.  +35.  Five    -    -   -      -       -          -  -     four    -    -    -      -   .
4.  +13.  Four    -   -   -       -       -          -  -    three   -    -    -      -   . 
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                                                    Dane

Betting some adjacent groups that have occured the same number of times might be boring. But what if the groups next to each other are different?
Street, double street, street and so forth. Then we should not expect the normal "flat" pattern, but rather a zigzag pattern. I find it rater entertaining to watch the zigzag pattern come. Whether it produces a profit is another question.
Whenever two or more groups side by side have come a similar number of times, I bet those groups (flat betting). The groups I bet seem to be "in balance", but of course it is an illusion, as the groups differ in size. After approx. 55 spins I end the session. At that time the zigzag pattern should be visible.
My  adjacent groups:
1-3/4-9/10-12/13-18/19-21/22-27/28-30/31-36.
                                                                      Have fun[smiley]aes/coffee.png[/smiley]
                                                                                  Dane

GreatGrampa,
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                                     Dane

Quote from: GreatGrampa on September 04, 2013, 11:49:11 AM
Dane,

Just giving this whole thing a different perspective. I think we will definitely have hot DSs, we will have cold DSs. It is really hard to differentiate. How about an approach which will take advantage of this.
Do you think it will work. I think with the nature of the DS, unless you would like to play them as ECs, we should play a maximum of one DS and only one DS. Anything more or less, will eventually lead to the downfall.

GreatGrampa,
Hot? Cold?
"Yet she´s true like ice, like fire"
Bob Dylan in "Love Minus Zero (No Limit)".

It might be hard work to look at ALL eleven DSs. Most numbers belong to two DS´s. But if we look at all of them, we might be able to differentiate  a little better. And the hottest one right now, the one and only leader, might not be too far away from others.

Quote from: Dino246 on September 02, 2013, 03:24:28 PM
Hi Dane.

I like your concept very much,but i can't work out how you made 375 chips profit playing DS at 5-1 in only 4 sessions.

Can you explain how you progress to level 10.

Sorry if i have missed something important from your posts !!

Dino.

Hi Dino,
I was extremely lucky at first.  If you read back the posts, you should be able to understand the method. And you should see, that in my very first session  I was  very very lucky. I started with the first spin of 2011, table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden. Freely available. The profit accumulated during this session. 
Later I experienced that one session may take several days.
The idea of a positive progression is better than a negative one. Unfortunately this method does not seem to be good enough.
                                                                           

Mr J´s method "A complete street" has inspired me to this. If we don´t have too many chips, it might be cheaper to work on split instead of single numbers.
Mr J hopes to see a complete street (three numbers) within  the latest 12 spins.
Accordingly I hope to see a complete line (three splits) within  the latest 8 spins.
                                         1-6   = 1-4 & 2-5 & 3-6.
                                         7-12 = 7-10 & 8-11 & 9-12.
                                       13-18 = 13-16 & 14-17 & 15-18.
                                       19-24 = 19-22 & 20-23 & 21-24.
                                       25-30 = 25-28 & 26-29 & 27-30.
                                       31-36 = 31-34 & 32-35 & 33-37.
As far as I can see, it is sufficient to watch the latest SEVEN spins. When exactly two of the three splits from a line are there, I simply bet the missing one.
Without progression.
                                                  Good luck!
                                                     Dane