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[Albalaha]

spike,
         If you have not started betting yet, you can get it cancelled upon request. You are free to play roulette with inside bets of your choice. Restrictions are on outside bets only. You may play baccarat, if you like but that will not be counted towards wagering requirements.

[Bayes]

It makes no sense. They say no dozens or EC's may be bet,
yet you can bet the dozens and H/L all day long on the streets.
I trhink they mean you can bet the inside NUMBERS only and they
don't know the streets are also considered the 'inside'.

I specifically asked them this and used the example of double streets. I said I didn't really understand why EC's didn't count toward the bonus requirement and yet you could bet 3 double streets which is equivalent and it WOULD count. They replied that that's correct: ANY bets other than the EC and Dozen/column DO count towards paying off the bonus. They must have a good reason for this rule, even if it's not immediately obvious to us.

[soggett]

I specifically asked them this and used the example of double streets. I said I didn't really understand why EC's didn't count toward the bonus requirement and yet you could bet 3 double streets which is equivalent and it WOULD count. They replied that that's correct: ANY bets other than the EC and Dozen/column DO count towards paying off the bonus. They must have a good reason for this rule, even if it's not immediately obvious to us.

maybe because of the La partage rule (did I spell it right)?
you can't use it on the lines or streets
and you need more money to cover the lines/streets than an EC - which is both good and bad
good - you can do the bonus earlier since you are betting more money per spin
bad - you lose more money when you lose

or something else?

[Bayes]

They don't offer la partage on the EC's, and it wouldn't apply to Dozens/Columns anyway. You don't  need to bet more if using the streets etc, because the min. bet on these is 10 cents, but on an EC it's 1 euro, so it's actually cheaper to bet 3 double streets than a single EC, that's why it's hard to make sense of the rule.

[TwisterUK]

Be aware of the "Spirit" of the Bonus

I've read about ppl clearin the Bonus requirements only to be told they, in effect cheated

I would email DB and ask direct questions about how you intend to play and get it in writing so ther is no, "yeah but" at the end

[TwisterUK]

For example,

Risk-free and low-risk bets on any games (i.e. betting in proportions on different outcomes in the same hand to create "action" with minimal or no risk) do not qualify towards reducing the wagering requirement.

Examples of low-risk bets include betting

   
• Betting "Red", "Black", "Odd", "Even", Dozens or Column bets in Roulette
  
• All 'Double-or-Nothing' bets in slots games
  
• Other similar combinations in these and other games.

[ADulay]

They say any bets on Baccarat, the EC's in roulette, the dozens
or columns in roulette, do not count to bringing down the bonus.

I don't believe it says you can't bet on the EC's at roulette.  It says you can't wager on both sides at the same time.

Normal EC wagers are acceptable.

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[Albalaha]

Captain,
         You missed the bold statement marked by Paul. They do not want u to play low risk(high winning probability) game covering half of the table/wheel or more. They simultaneously want you to play high risk bets where huge variance/dispersion is bound to come before you can bet 37 times of  your deposit +bonus.
             I have played and won many such bonuses (even far tougher) but they were no deposit bonuses. I mean, I had nothing to lose.

   

• Other similar combinations in these and other games

  
  
  

[iggiv]

let's say u lost the bonus and a little more, can u get rid of wager requirements at all? U should not get into this stuff when u see a bonus...get rid of it or don't play at all

[Bayes]

I've read about ppl clearin the Bonus requirements only to be told they, in effect cheated

That's what spike said. So if you do make the wagering requirement they will say you're a "pro" player and refuse to pay up. But what's the definition of a pro player? they need to make clear what that actually means and how they would know it. I couldn't see any reference to "pro players" in their T & C. It seems to me that the only way they can know it is if you clear the bonus! This would mean that no-one could ever withdraw any winnings if they meet the bonus requirement, making the bonus effectively worthless.

[Bayes]

It says in the bonus T & C:

Professional players or players we determine to be abusing the bonus offers may face additional restrictions and/or lockouts.

I'd like to know what constitutes an "abuse" of a bonus offer. Seeing as they exclude all low edge games like blackjack, baccarat, etc. I can't see how it can possibly be abused.

[Bayes]

To recommend that you don't accept any bonuses doesn't really make any sense. Yes, you should check the bonus requirements to make sure that the game you want to play does count toward paying it off, and if it does why not take it? If you're a recreational player then you aren't expecting to make a long term profit, so taking the bonus gives you more "entertainment" at no extra cost. On the other hand, if you're playing for profit then you expect to make a profit, at least for the duration that the wagering requirement is in force, in which case, the only drawback is that you have to wait a little longer to withdraw your winnings than if you hadn't accepted the bonus. So in other words, if you're playing to make a profit but don't want the bonus, it means you believe in the hit & run fallacy!

[Blood Angel]

Hi Bayes,

you make a very good point! I never accept bonuses and I don't believe in the hit and run fallacy....at least I didn't think I did.

[Albalaha]

Bonus abuse doesn't mean winning a bonus. If you are getting and winning bonuses in a professional manner, that amounts to abuse. Deposit bonus is not wise, in any manner, if it asks for more than 10 times wagering on deposit+bonus money. If u can win such bonuses for sure, you can crush casinos without any bonus, very well.
       I have done bonus abuse many times and many casinos rejected any further bonus offers to me after winning one: http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=347.0


                         Two three casinos did not pay me on one pretext or other but mostly they pay bonus winners.