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[KungFuBac]

Session From Hell        

I just returned from a multi-night Bac excursion. Most days and sessions were unremarkable. The typical up/down and then I would win 3-4 pressed bets in a row/ finish shoe on an uptick and lock in a nice profit,...etc. No big-win shoes for the whole trip. NADA.

However, I played one session that included five full shoes from start to finish. This was the session from Hell.LOL.
Different tables but same casino. My hit rate across all five shoes: 22W 33L. That is correct. Not even 50%. I can't ever remember having such a weak hit rate across five shoes(maybe a really bad shoe or two sometimes). The worst part: I was never above the 50% hit rate. Making it worse was the fact I couldnt seem to win >=4 iar consecutive winners(not necessarily same consec events).

I was drawn down (-2500--4400) for most of the session. Near midnight I finally put four consec Ws together and recouped to only being down (-1830) for the session. I departed and went to bed. This was an Indian casino in Midwest,USA that charges an Ante from Thursday 1159pm---Sunday 1159pm. I refuse to pay an ante as IMO its usury. So I do not play here on weekends.

*One shoe did not have a single Panda8 or Fortune7 winner. Two 3c8 and 3c7 presented but they lost or tied so no bonus winner.

**One shoe did not have a 3iar(iar:In A Row) same-side winner until the latter part of shoe(approx hand 65--70 and then only one of each (PPP and a couple hands later a BBB). This shoe had several 5 individual chop streaks(pbpbp ,...etc). I actually caught both of these "third" winners. I recalled some of my conversations with forum alum AsymBacGuy and the likelihood for a shoe to finish without at least one 3iar same-side winner. I have only had one shoe in my life that did not show a PPP and or a BBB.



More later,

[alrelax]

"One shoe did not have a single Panda8 or Fortune7 winner. Two 3c8 and 3c7 presented but they lost or tied so no bonus winner."

Where I play a lot, Panda 8 is not offered.  But I still pay attention to 3C8s for the player.  I cannot recall a shoe without any.  Usually more than 2-3 on the average.  But as far as the F7 goes, plenty of shoes without a Single One!  Once, I came in and there were already 4 consecutive shoes without one!!!  Then I witnessed another 3 consecutive shoes without one.  On the 8th shoe at the same table finally a single F7 appeared.

It happens.  As I say, "play long enough and anything and everything will occur".

As my pictures I post show, I do consistently receive 3-5 F7s better than 50% of the times I play. 

[KungFuBac]

KungfuBac:
"One shoe did not have a single Panda8 or Fortune7 winner. Two 3c8 and 3c7 presented but they lost or tied so no bonus winner."

Alrelax:

"Where I play a lot, Panda 8 is not offered.  But I still pay attention to 3C8s for the player.  I cannot recall a show without any.  But as far as the F7 goes, plenty of shoes without a Single One!  Once, I came in and there were already 4 consecutive shoes without one!!!  Then I witnessed another 3 consecutive shoes without one.  On the 8th shoe at the same table finally a single F7 appeared."


Yes, on the very next shoe after the "No P8 or F7" shoe--Five 3c7 presented but two were Nonwinners (tied/defeated). Around hand 60ish three out of four consecutive outcomes were F7 Bonus winners.
    I didn't have any of the F7s as I probably only wagered a total of four or five  f7 wagers in the five-shoes-from-hell.


Continued Success,

[AsymBacGuy]

Thanks for sharing KFB!

Never heard of "ante" while playing baccarat.
Actually what does that mean
?
Thanks, hope you keep posting



as.

[KungFuBac]

Hi AsymBacGuy.

Asym:
"...Never heard of "ante" while playing baccarat.
Actually what does that mean
?.."

A little background.

Indian(i.e., tribe, native american) casinos in the USA. They are in about 28-30 states. I would say most are in the Midwest in states like (Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma,..etc) or West coast (California, Arizona,..etc). Many of these tribes have various pacts with the respective states on how they will pay the state a % of gambling revenue on Class III games(e.g., Table games such as Bac, roulette, craps, blackjack,...etc).

This ante or "Fee" is paid by the casino after collecting from the player on each hand dealt, wheel spun, dice come out,..etc). The casino often uses euphemisms to make things seem less bad (ante instead of fee or charge or tax). A common ante is .50c for a wager up to $99, and a $1 for a wager $100--999, $2 at $999--2000, $3 > $2000. Some just charge $1 regardless if at a table min of $10 or $1000.

Some of the better managed casinos often pay this (to the state) for the player or may have "No-Ante" days which are often during the week: Sun--thurs, or Mon,Tues,Thurs, M-Fri noon,...etc. If the casino pays it for the player then the dealer tracks the wagers with lammers on each hand, wheel spin, comeout roll in craps,...etc. This is how the casino knows how much they will pay the state.

Some casinos also have rules like: All hi-limit table games (usually $25 min or $50min) are ante free every day.
Each casino can set these rules as they like. 

*So obviously the smaller player is facing a much higher obstacle than just the house edge(e.g., .50c on a $15 wager). But even if paying $1 on a $100 wager one faces an additional hurdle as these "fees" on every single wager can easily add up to >=$30--60 every session.

**In my opinion there is also an additional issue that is often over looked. That is the fact this "fee" is paid Up Front--Win or "lose".

I simply choose to play at casinos that pay the ante for the player/only play during the week when the casino doesn't charge a ante or play at hi-limit tables.

KungFuBac is most certainly anti antes.


Continued Success,

[8OR9]

In my humble opinion. anyone who plays baccarat where the is an ante or some other fee is in the same category as someone who plays blackjack which pays 6 to 5 instead of 3 to 2 for a blackjack......not the smartest decision you will make that day.

[AsymBacGuy]

Thanks for the explanation KFB!

I concur with 8OR9.

I'd add to the list playing at double or triple (ouch) zeroes roulettes, or at baccarat betting the Tiger pair (HE= 30%) and many other bigornsh.it side bets where players are simply pushing their money to the dealer's tray.

as. 

[KungFuBac]

Hi 8OR9, Asym, et al.

Yes we must avoid these type of casinos if at all possible. I realize some folks that are near the (Ante Casinos) may not have the time to travel to other destinations. However, I think most players would have a greater prob of winning long term if they just played fewer sessions and drove to other "Non-Ante" casino markets.

     All that needs to happen is one corp cas chain (MGM,Caesars,...etc) to place a casino in these indian-casino markets. Capitalism is almost always good for the consumer. That is why I can go into a Walmart and purchase a half gallon of premium Orange Juice for $3.50 and select from 20 different brands. Competition is good at the grocery store as well as in the casino market. Casinos gouging their patrons with an Ante is usury/criminal IMO.
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re:000 roulette

Asym: "I'd add to the list playing at double or triple (ouch) zeroes roulettes, or at baccarat betting the Tiger pair (HE= 30%) "

    I agree with you.
    There are actually a couple of the aforementioned "AnteChargingCasinos" that have a (single zero) roulette wheel along with the traditional 00. it's a well kept secret amongst the rouletters and surprisingly the casinos don't even advertise this "0" table.


Continued Success To All,