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Title: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 03, 2016, 01:19:21 PM
Let's start with making Spike angry. That is the pivotal point in the past ten years. I decided to take people though my discoveries as a mentor and student experience. This was a threat to Spike, don't ask me why.


Spike is a classic Narcissist, a common personality disorder. His only purpose for being on the internet was to cause confrontation and to create crisis. He fed off of it. It was his Narcissistic supply. When I went against him he set out to destroy me. That's a classic Narcissistic reaction too.


He tried to tell the entire gambling forum world, wherever I was participating, that I only sucked up to him pretending to be a friend, and that I did it in the hopes that he would tell his secret to me. That was a delusion on his part. But that off the target thinking was also a classic part of him being Narcissistic.


So there is the before Spike's temper tantrum and the after it periods.


Before, there was GG, gamblers glen forum, a wild west town if there ever was one.


I created, shared openly, and defended several concepts there first.


1.) The Elegant Pattern
2.) My charting technique and the need for visual dexterity to see trends fast.
3.) A few common characteristics of trends.
4.) Posting first the actual quote phrase "Reading Randomness" taken from an email where Spike suggested a notion of reading the random. It was a sort of plagiarism that infuriated Spike. So it was a tool for me to turn the tables on him in times later. It worked too. My Cheese and Crackers days were all about Narcissistic supply. I tweaked him with the evidence that I was the first to coin the actual phrase. He's a child. He's a drama Queen. He's a rescuer. It's all there to see for yourself. He's such a needy personality. I wonder what that makes me. He was my only allies in the battle for educated guessing as an advantage to flat betting the even chance games.
5,) I shared the existence of the effectiveness state.
6.) I shared the existence of the Global Effect.


Then I came here and taught ten students at no destructive risk to the gambling community as a result.


I waited two years and then proceeded to publish here first the list of characteristics of randomness in the game of Roulette.


I went over the previously disclosed information that I already published elsewhere.


I created and gave out two charting programs that demonstrated my charting techniques.


I explained these concepts and openly and freely attempted to make it clear what I meant.


It's all here if you can put it together on your own.

Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: from100 on September 03, 2016, 02:29:21 PM
Is Spike = General, Real, Caleb... etc?
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: greenguy on September 03, 2016, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: from100 on September 03, 2016, 02:29:21 PM
Is Spike = General, Real, Caleb... etc?

Jousting partners, yes.

Same person, no.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on September 03, 2016, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: from100 on September 03, 2016, 02:29:21 PM
Is Spike = General, Real, Caleb... etc?

General, Real, Caleb may be the same person.

But Spike is a different person.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: DoctorSudoku on September 03, 2016, 03:15:28 PM
Also, General, Real, Caleb is the same person as Xander.

Spike , for sure, is a different person from the above four personas.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: NathanDetroit on September 03, 2016, 03:18:16 PM
The demand for a forum like this is shrinking due to the emerging group of " Arcade players " who are less interested in live table games..

To those cats   table games are  a No-No  like  a Cadillac ,a Lincoln Continental, or  a Mercedes. 




Therefore  , having recognized  this  prevailing attitude I I have  kept my  contributions at any one forum to a minimum.



P.S. I do not give a rat`s taiol about  the attitude expressed by Spike, Xabder etc. Controversy   is what keeps a forum alive.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 03, 2016, 03:32:18 PM
Cool, interesting perspectives.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: greenguy on September 03, 2016, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on September 03, 2016, 03:18:16 PM
Controversy   is what keeps a forum alive.

Controversy, and comedy.

Kill the comedy and you kill the forum.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Mr J on September 03, 2016, 03:55:25 PM
I have no issue with Spike, General or Gizmo. Years ago? Yes but its water under the bridge.

My advice.... F everyone else (lol). We all have our OWN ideas here. Do your OWN testing and don't look for approval from others. Post, don't post, so what?

Trial & error, I can't say it enough!!

Ken
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 03, 2016, 09:17:10 PM
Me too Ken, it's a waste of time arguing with the mathBoys.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 10:09:07 AM
QuoteIt's all here if you can put it together on your own.
Gizmo

Actually you have not revealed everything...
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 04, 2016, 12:25:30 PM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 10:09:07 AM
Gizmo

Actually you have not revealed everything...


Thank you, mission accomplished. When it is all pointed out to you in the future you will then be able to see it all. Thank you for confirming my intellect too. I executed my plan well enough to get the exact reaction I was attempting to get. It is my hope that most of you feel the way Blue Angel feels. Not because I want a fee for telling a final secret either. But because that fee will serve as a door that must be passed through in order to slow the advance of my creation or discovery in the first place. I'm just attempting to share this in the best-for-all way that I can. Each student has a right, by going through the door, to expect to use this information while the opportunity still exists. I think I'm doing the best that I can to both share it and protect it at the same time.


It's not the brightest idea to hand it to everyone and to wreck it for doing so. I'm fascinated by the people that can't see that either. Amazing, I am absolutely amazed at that prospect.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 12:39:28 PM
You can make that amount or more per session instead of per student, anyway, it's your choice.
When you said what you left under our noses it was a deliberate mistake...people look but don't see...
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 04, 2016, 01:36:36 PM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 12:39:28 PM
You can make that amount or more per session instead of per student, anyway, it's your choice.
When you said what you left under our noses it was a deliberate mistake...people look but don't see...


Well, you didn't see what I said either. I need a practical door. I need it to cause only a few that enter.


People only see what they want to see and only when they are ready to see it. Those of us that have been on these forums for many years know that newbies are only interested in the next wiz, bang system that will make them millionaires. If it's not a mindless set of rules then they can't deal with it and are uninterested or profoundly skeptical of anything that requires skill.


What's your excuse?
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 01:53:04 PM
QuoteWhat's your excuse?

I've none.
You could only be understood by minds of similar frequency.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: TheLaw on September 04, 2016, 01:55:08 PM
Posted by Gizmotron

QuotePeople only see what they want to see and only when they are ready to see it.

One statement has never summed up the philosophy of trolls and scammers so well.

If a politician said this........you would never buy what they're selling...... ::)

Completely empty rhetoric from those desperate for attention...........I guess anyone ignorant enough to buy into this cult deserves to be swindled.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 04, 2016, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 01:53:04 PM
I've none.
You could only be understood by minds of similar frequency.


Let's see, I deliberately posted here in other people's threads as to make it difficult to find my information in the first place, and BTW I told everyone that I did it that way on purpose. Here is a clue. Go to my member page and click on my posts. Ha Ha, there's more than a thousand of them. See if that buzz is the right frequency?


Let's look at this frequency too. My students are not having any trouble comprehending me. What's up with that?
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 02:28:26 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on September 04, 2016, 02:22:22 PM

Let's see, I deliberately posted here in other people's threads as to make it difficult to find my information in the first place, and BTW I told everyone that I did it that way on purpose. Here is a clue. Go to my member page and click on my posts. Ha Ha, there's more than a thousand of them. See if that buzz is the right frequency?


Let's look at this frequency too. My students are not having any trouble comprehending me. What's up with that?

That's purely misdirection...afterall you are just a skilled craftsman.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 04, 2016, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: TheLaw on September 04, 2016, 01:55:08 PM
Posted by Gizmotron

One statement has never summed up the philosophy of trolls and scammers so well.

If a politician said this........you would never buy what they're selling...... ::)

Completely empty rhetoric from those desperate for attention...........I guess anyone ignorant enough to buy into this cult deserves to be swindled.


Pot, Kettle, Black.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 04, 2016, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 02:28:26 PM
That's purely misdirection...afterall you are just a skilled craftsman.


Guess again dim bulb. There's a context that you either don't know about or are too limited to understand.


Do I need to spell that out for you? Try to remember the concept of sharing quietly and deliberately without telling anything put simply, because a simple to understand version is a very dangerous thing to posses. If too many know it, then things will change. Does that need to be spelled out for you too. You think that misdirection means not being truthful. It means something else that you refuse to understand. Why are you so single minded?
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 02:58:36 PM
QuoteDo I need to spell that out for you?

Yes please!
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 04, 2016, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 04, 2016, 02:58:36 PM
Yes please!


Get someone else to tell you about the times and conflicts that were occurring when I first began to post everything only at this forum.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Albalaha on September 04, 2016, 04:18:56 PM
           Gizmotron has been a nice contributor, undoubtedly. He belongs to the genre of Bayes, another very valuable member here. I do not understand why everyone is attacking him without trying to understand what he is offering. Now, he has some takers of his methodology. They can vouch for him or against him, clarifying whether his claims are valid or not. Before the flying machine was invented, everybody was suspicious of that ever working in real. Physics existed before that too but none could prove that an aeroplane kind of thing will ever exist that can carry hundreds of people together thousands of miles in a few hours.
                              Those who are very sure that nothing can win in gambling should not be on gambling forums and try something else somewhere else. Maybe some day I and Gizmo work together bettering each other.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 05, 2016, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Albalaha on September 04, 2016, 04:18:56 PM
           Gizmotron has been a nice contributor, undoubtedly. He belongs to the genre of Bayes, another very valuable member here. I do not understand why everyone is attacking him without trying to understand what he is offering. Now, he has some takers of his methodology. They can vouch for him or against him, clarifying whether his claims are valid or not. Before the flying machine was invented, everybody was suspicious of that ever working in real. Physics existed before that too but none could prove that an aeroplane kind of thing will ever exist that can carry hundreds of people together thousands of miles in a few hours.
                              Those who are very sure that nothing can win in gambling should not be on gambling forums and try something else somewhere else. Maybe some day I and Gizmo work together bettering each other.

Thanks for that support Albalaha.


I'm working on the Ai project again after 2 - 1/2 days off of it.


Just posted at my school:



I've changed the way the computer sees the chart in the Ai project. It now sends the latest 30 spins as nine strings of delimited items:


o,o,X,X,o,o,X,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,
X,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,X,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,X,
o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,X,X,o,
X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,X,o,X,o,o,
o,o,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,X,
o,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,o,
X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,
o,X,X,X,X,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,X,
o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,o,o,o,


This way I solve the global effect and the local effect with the same data stream.  As you might have figured out, I'm not programming it to watch the primes and the not primes.



Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Blue_Angel on September 05, 2016, 08:34:47 PM
Quote
o,o,X,X,o,o,X,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,
X,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,X,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,X,
o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,X,X,o,
X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,X,o,X,o,o,
o,o,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,X,
o,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,o,
X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,
o,X,X,X,X,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,X,
o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,o,o,o,

Apophenia pareidolia.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 05, 2016, 09:09:07 PM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 05, 2016, 08:34:47 PM
Apophenia pareidolia.

Is that a suggestion of a fallacy or a question?

If you had bothered to read what I've published on this forum, I've clearly stated that these patterns and trends don't actually exist. They are in fact creations of our own imagination. So what's to stop us from making meaningless bet selections based on these perceptions of our imagination? That process creates a real tangible object that can not be refuted. They produce a lineal track of data symbolizing an actual reality, the effectiveness track of information.

Unless you live on the event horizon of a black hole, I wonder if this information, that I bothered to share with you, will in fact escape you.

It's not fun dragging you along through information that has already been covered.


I'm beginning to see some Apophenia with you.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Blue_Angel on September 05, 2016, 09:26:51 PM
Thanks for your reply.
I'm always looking to add to my knowledge but usually it's not possible for various reasons.
In order to get 1% to 2% valuable information, I've to weed out the 98% to 99%, unfortunately there are a lot of craps to weed out.
That's why I'm trying as much direct and straightforward as possible.
There are many things to see,check,do, but not so much time, if something has a bad ''face'' it doesn't take too long to show its ugly face, so I'm just moving on in order not to waste more time with methods which fail to live up to my high expectations.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 05, 2016, 09:29:33 PM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 05, 2016, 09:26:51 PM
Thanks for your reply.
I'm always looking to add to my knowledge but usually it's not possible for various reasons.
In order to get 1% to 2% valuable information, I've to weed out the 98% to 99%, unfortunately there are a lot of craps to weed out.
That's why I'm trying as much direct and straightforward as possible.
There are many things to see,check,do, but not so much time, if something has a bad ''face'' it doesn't take too long to show its ugly face, so I'm just moving on in order not to waste more time with methods which fail to live up to my high expectations.


You are welcome.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Lupo on September 06, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on September 05, 2016, 08:31:33 PM

Thanks for that support Albalaha.


I'm working on the Ai project again after 2 - 1/2 days off of it.


Just posted at my school:



I've changed the way the computer sees the chart in the Ai project. It now sends the latest 30 spins as nine strings of delimited items:


o,o,X,X,o,o,X,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,
X,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,X,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,X,
o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,X,X,o,
X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,X,o,X,o,o,
o,o,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,X,
o,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,o,
X,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,X,X,o,
o,X,X,X,X,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,X,o,X,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,X,
o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,o,X,o,o,o,o,o,o,X,o,o,o,X,X,o,o,o,o,o,


This way I solve the global effect and the local effect with the same data stream.  As you might have figured out, I'm not programming it to watch the primes and the not primes.

Can you clarify the purpose of this Ai project? Is it a future add on to your existing tracking software or something different?
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 06, 2016, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: Lupo on September 06, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
Can you clarify the purpose of this Ai project? Is it a future add on to your existing tracking software or something different?


That's what I'm discussing right now with some of the students. Of course they want their hands on it. I see their progress. They don't really need it. It's being built because most of the math world insists that it can't be done. I've split it off from the Charting Program that was designed to teach with. Barring any bug fixes that will turn up, that's done. This is a Mt Everest for me, just another mountain top. Just looking for another first ascent. And it's hard too.


But it brings up the biggest question of all, what to do with it. I'm considering starting a consortium of a small group of gamblers that use it to bet online and to put their take into an automatic splitting paypal kind of deposit system that automatically splits all the earnings with all the participants. I've also considered splitting with anyone that can sell it to a millionaire whale that will buy it for $20,000 for their own private use. In either case, I won't have to drive 700 miles to play, and it continues to get out there slowly and smartly. I just want to see people, a small group mind you, enjoy it. It's a mountain top if it works. It does not get any cooler than that. It gives me something to do this winter too. I'm retired. People like me are always looking for something interesting to do. I have my MTML project to get going again. That might be far more interesting with serious seed capital.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 10, 2016, 06:00:46 PM
Thanks for Blue_Angel for pointing this out:


Because of development on the Ai project I have added two new states to this.

Because of that work I'm adding two categories to the effectiveness States. There are now five states that exist. One new one is it can grind you down slowly and the other is that you can grind your way up slowly.
Title: Re: What have I contributed in the past ten years?
Post by: Gizmotron on September 12, 2016, 10:47:35 AM
You can't beat the math, so don't try to beat the math by using the math. There is no variable change in the game of Roulette. But conditional probability, a form of statistics, says that there are times that conventional probability does not run parallel with conditional probability at the same time. If you use "Coincidental Change" to process a conditional probability, then you have a value that can be discernible as a kind of situational awareness, much the same as the advantage in a game that does have a variable change like 21. The implication is that there must be a situational math based on the coincidences found in randomness.


Does that make this argument a chicken or the egg paradox? That remains to be seen until someone proves it, one way or the other.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr_xWfThjJ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr_xWfThjJ0)