To avoid confusion i have shifted the thread here from my first post, so that we can have some focussed discussion on this topic.
I was thinking where to start and i landed on this thread by Ralph on playing 3 even chances and thought would add my 2 cents on it. I have been using a framework called Triple shooter and will share it with this group to enrich the learning experience. The more you contribute, the more we learn.
By the way, I like calling it a framework rather than a system, as understanding the concepts and rules of this framework is essential for any one to use it as it is or use it in a way it works for them. I can't agree more with Lord Manrique or JP when they say a system player is always a loser.
Basic building block 1 - "You got to take all the chances life gives you to be a successful human being".
To me, this goes well with roulette as well. If you have decided to play outside bets and even chances (Grr! I hate the person who gave it the name even chances with a green 0 and 00 making us donate money to the casino), then you got to take all the chances available to you. You will be limiting yourselves to lesser opportunities of creation of wealth, if you are taking your chances. Well! Some one might say that you are exposing yourselves to the vulnerabilities of all the ECs (Grr! can we call it Even Returns, as even chances is not really sounding right (http://betselection.cc/Smileys/newfacies/laugh.png) , but it really depends on how you see it and whether you are a half glass full or half glass empty person and I must admit that i am a half glass full person.
Why is it so? That brings me to a important story i read some where. Once a forex trader and a gambler met. Forex trader said i made 0.17% profit and am really happy and gambler said i made only 10 units betting even chances on a 100 unit bankroll and am really sad. Some might argue that the gambler should be happy that he made 10% profit compared to the forex persons 0.17%. They are not on a level playing field to treat everything as percentage game isn't it. it's a win all or lose all game on even chances, where as all the other percentage investments are not so. Legends have worked hard to convert all Money management into percentage play with a great level of success. What is left is bet selection. How do we make it percentage play to get us into even position and get into a level playing field. The answer is a big NOT POSSIBLE. Taking that with a pinch of salt, if we are able to convert playing on even chances to a percentage play partially if not completely, that's a huge advantage. that's why we play all 3 ECs together.
Law of reality suggests that all 3 ECs cannot trend together. Put in other words you will not lose all 3 bets on a streak like 10 reds when betting only colours or 10 odds in a row when betting only EO. Sure you may lose some if 2 out of 3 streak, but you will still be winning on one. that's where we are able to achieve and gain some advantage over playing just one EC, by converting this into a partial percentage play.
I am neither a mathematician nor a statistician, but the one with experience and instincts and this sounds right for me as these three are three individual outcomes independent of each other.
Basic Building block 2 : "Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated" - Confucius
You know why Mr. Jobs and iphone was a huge success and created a 100bn$+ empire. Its all about keeping things simple. A 1 year old can operate it with ease and for old blokes like me technology was no more a hindrance. that's the power of simplicity.
But we all know its too difficult to keep things simple. Churchill once wrote a 5 page letter to his relative and added a post script that read "Honey, I didn't have the time to write a short letter and hence wrote a long one. My apologies". Wow! that says something about simplicity. Coming to our world here, Lanky used to be the master of simplicity. The way he puts things in a simple manner is something i miss now.
Ok! So what you might ask! There is a simple concept that Victor and Lanky taught me few years back. Keeping an LW registry. I don't know whether it was their original idea, but LW registry is such a powerful but simple tool for one who plays roulette. Things can't get simpler than that.
Over the years, I worked on my LW registry and have developed an art of applyng to whatever situation in the roulette, be as straightforward as playing an even chance or as complicated as playing multiple straight inside bets, seeing them as LW registers and making things simple has helped me a lot. I will share how this building block of a simple LW registry tool helps me taking a complex triple bet selection simple when we get to the details of the framework.
Basic building block 3 : "Win while you win, lose while you lose"
Whether its winning or losing, getting into a streak is just around the corner. When the lady luck smiles, it could go either way. Turning into our advantage is very difficult to do. Only a handful of gamblers in the world know how to limit your losses and max your profits which is easily said than done. However, as I always said, this forum has been a huge inspiration for me. If there is one man who taught me how to get around these winning and losing streaks, it is FLAT INO.
Puzzled? Look at his LvF method. You either catch the trend whether you are losing or winning on your bet selection and accordingly alternate between your bets. What a powerful tool right. Way better than alternating your bets just for the sake of alternating and getting into an alternating streak and either winning or getting into a hole. This is a concept that we will use for our Triple shooter framework.
Basic Building Block 4 : "Human beings crave for excitement"
Who said you can't win with Flat betting. Lord Manrique taught us how to do it using his parachuting technique. Herr Winkel told us how to do it in his GUT. Ofcourse it can be done. But human beings crave for excitement. The whole reason why GOD gave us adrenalin.
The key is to decide what's best for you and what suits you. If its flat betting let it be. If its progression let it be. But the trick is not only in deciding what suits you, but what suits the framework you are playing. There are a number of progression options that you have right from the good ole Marty, alem and fibbi to the ones that people have invented in this forum and outside like attila, GLC and the more recent one from bing bell. From my experience I believe the best one for this framework is either going flat or doing a cyclic incremental bet every 5-10 bets on a loss depending on what comforts you.
The Triple shooter Framework
I think we are done on the concepts. Now let me explain how i play around these concepts and we can then hear opinions from fellow forumers.
Framework rule 1 : The reason you call it triple shooter is because you always bet on all three even chances. Remember concept 1, take all chances life gives you. No matter what happens, you bet on all three, with equal distribution of units.
Framework rule 2 : Make it look simple with LW register. How does it work? Simple! You are betting 3 chances, if 2 or more chances win, you are in profit and hence it's a Win or "W". If 1 or no chances win, you lose the bet and hence its marked a loss or "L".
e.g. Lets say you bet on "Red", "Odd", "High". If the outcome is 25 its an outright win. If the outcome is 9 it's a partial win. Both cases we mark it as "W". If the outcome is 12 it's a partial loss and if the outcome is 0 or 8 it's a complete loss. Both cases we mark it as "L"
Framework rule 3 : Always bet on the last trend. Irrespective of what you played in the last spin, if the last spin outcome was "W", bet on the even chances of the number that came last. Similarly, irrespective of what you played in the last spin, if the last spin outcome was "L", bet on the even changes against the number that came last.
e.g 1. Lets say you bet on "Red", "Odd", "High". The outcome is 9. it's a partial win, so you mark it "W". Now as its "W" we play the chances on the number that came last. So our next bet will be "Red", "Odd" and "Low".
e.g. 2 Lets say we bet on "Red", "Odd", "High". The outcome is 12. it's a partial loss, so we mark it "L". Now as its "L" we play the against chances on the number that came last. So our next bet will be "Black", "Odd" and "High".
What if 0 or 00 comes. No defined rule. Play as you like. I prefer waiting for a couple of spins to see a Zero repeater and start based on the last spin number. There were days when i counted them as a "L" and proceeded based on it. Its upto the person implementing the framework.
Example
Let's look at an example. Let me take the Wiesbaden numbers from table 2 from yesterday for posting it here. Let's say we do flat betting in this example. I will try to do this example with a cyclic betting as well. The outcomes are 14, 30, 27, 30, 35, 14, 22, 16, 34, 17, 14, 16, 12, 7, 33, 14, 21, 3, 10, 28, 34, 29. We will stop here for this example purposes with 20 bets.
14 - REL
30 - REH - W - This is marked as a W as per our LW register. So we repeat the chances for our starting bet. So our next bet will be REH
27 - ROH - W - +1 - We bet 3 and got back 4. This is marked as W as per LW register. So we repeat the chances. Next bet will be ROH
30 - REH - W - +1 - Next bet is REH. Overall we are +2 now.
35 - BOH - L - -1 - We bet 3 and got back 2. This is marked as L as per register. So we bet against the chances. Next bet will be REL. Over all we are +1 now.
14 - REL - L - +3 - We won all the 3 bets and got back 6. However as per LW register, this will be marked as "L" eventhough we won the bet. that's because none of the last even chance repeated. THIS IS KEY. Next bet will be against the chances as the register says L. It will be on BOH. Overall we are +4 now.
22 - BEH - L - +1 - We bet 3 and got back 4. However, it is marked as L as per our LW register as only 1 of the last even chance repeated. Next bet we bet against this as the register says L, so we bet on ROL. Overall we are +5 now.
16 - REL - L - +1 - Overall +6. Next bet on BOH
34 - REH - W - -1 - Overall +5. Next bet on REH, as even though we lost the bet, the LW register says W.
17 - BOL - L - -3 - Overall +2. Next bet on REH again.
14 - REL - L - +1 - Overall +3. Next one on BOH
16 - REL - W - -3 - Overall 0. Next one on REL
12 - REL - W - +3 - Overall +3. Next one on REL
7 - ROL - W - +1 - Overall +4. Next one on ROL
33 - BOH - L - -1 - Overall +3. NExt one on REL
14 - REL - L - +3 - Overall +6. Next one on BOH
21 - ROH - L - +1 - Overall +7. Next one on BEL
3 - ROL - W - -1 - Overall +6. Next one on ROL
10 - BEL - L - -1 - Overall +5. Next one on ROH
28 - BEH - W - -1 - Overall +4. Next one on BEH
34 - REH - W - +1 - Overall +5. Next one on REH
29 - BOH - L - -1 - Overall +4. Next one if we decide to bet is on REL.
Now this example is based on Flat betting. Overall, 20 bets on 22 spins. Outcome +4. Max drawdown is -1 on two instances.
Lets do the same thing with cyclic progression now. For this example I treat cycles of 5 with +1 for next cycle evenly across all chances on a cycle loss and -1 on a cycle win or stay at base unit if you are in base unit. When am in a real life scenario, I do variations to create some excitement for me personally like cycles of 8, cycles of 10 etc and also depending on the situation I vary the cyclic progression like +1 on a win cycle and stay there on a loss cycle or +1 on a loss cycle and stay level after a win cycle etc. So the concept that suits this method is cyclic bet. How you implement it, is entirely upto you. I will not repeat the REH, BOL etc notation as we are going to use the same numbers in last example.
Spin LW Bet Outcome Cycle outcome
14
30 w
27 w 3 4 +1
30 w 3 4 +2
35 l 3 2 +1
14 l 3 6 +4
22 l 3 4 +5 - Cycle win. Remain at base bet. Overall +5
16 l 3 4 +1
34 w 3 2 0
17 l 3 -3
14 l 3 4 -2
16 w 3 -5 - Cycle loss. Increment unit by 1. Overall 0
12 w 6 12 +6
7 w 6 8 +8
33 l 6 4 +6
14 l 6 12 +12
21 l 6 8 +14 - Cycle win. Decrement by 1. Overall +14
3 w 3 2 -1
10 l 3 2 -2
28 w 3 2 -3
34 w 3 4 -2
29 l 3 4 -1 - Cycle loss. Overall +13
So by the end of 20 spins, we are at a overall of +13, with a max draw down of -6 in one instance. So lets say your base unit is 5$, you get a 65$ return at the end of 20 spins.
Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 03, 2013, 10:20:09 AM
Lets do the same thing with cyclic progression now. For this example I treat cycles of 5 with +1 for next cycle evenly across all chances on a cycle loss and -1 on a cycle win or stay at base unit if you are in base unit. When am in a real life scenario, I do variations to create some excitement for me personally like cycles of 8, cycles of 10 etc and also depending on the situation I vary the cyclic progression like +1 on a win cycle and stay there on a loss cycle or +1 on a loss cycle and stay level after a win cycle etc. So the concept that suits this method is cyclic bet. How you implement it, is entirely upto you. I will not repeat the REH, BOL etc notation as we are going to use the same numbers in last example.
Spin LW Bet Outcome Cycle outcome
14
30 w
27 w 3 4 +1
30 w 3 4 +2
35 l 3 2 +1
14 l 3 6 +4
22 l 3 4 +5 - Cycle win. Remain at base bet. Overall +5
16 l 3 4 +1
34 w 3 2 0
17 l 3 -3
14 l 3 4 -2
16 w 3 -5 - Cycle loss. Increment unit by 1. Overall 0
12 w 6 12 +6
7 w 6 8 +8
33 l 6 4 +6
14 l 6 12 +12
21 l 6 8 +14 - Cycle win. Decrement by 1. Overall +14
3 w 3 2 -1
10 l 3 2 -2
28 w 3 2 -3
34 w 3 4 -2
29 l 3 4 -1 - Cycle loss. Overall +13
So by the end of 20 spins, we are at a overall of +13, with a max draw down of -6 in one instance. So lets say your base unit is 5$, you get a 65$ return at the end of 20 spins.
---And that is how it should be done...in cycles/any from 3 to 12/depends on present bet.Wouldn't wish to interfere with
this great thread.......but at the end I will also help GG to show you how to bet on all EC /my version in cycles????/and how
to come as a constant winner/it is queer that nobody ever even mentioned this sort of betting,even thought even newbies
are avare of those facts....Bayes studies;7,8,9 spin with most repeats.Further story you should explore easily.So much for now.
Now, just for people who are interested in knowing how the other tables at wiesbaden performed, the same framework worked the following across tables 3, 4 and 7 from yesterday.
Table 3 - Flat bet at the end of 20 bets, outcome of 0. Cyclic progression as per the example above +9.
Table 4 - Flat bet at the end of 20 bets, outcome of -12. Cyclic progression as per the example above - 20. Had I continued to recover my losses, i would have completely recovered my losses and gained 2 units at the end of spin 68 and I would have quit. But if i just play the system continuously and played further targetting a higher gain(which i would not do as this was a bad run for me and i would have walked away happily that i have got 2 units), you would have walked away with a whopping +37 units in cycle containing spins 133-137. Max draw down was -57 units. So still under a 100 unit bank roll even after 138 spins with a gain of +37 units. Sounds interesting isn't it?
Table 7 - This table was a cake walk. There was no cyclic progression for the first 20 spins at all as there was no cyclic loss. So at the end of 22nd spin, we walk away with a profit of +14 units. After two cycles, i would have sensed this and would have followed a positive progression and drawn greater results. But living within the rules of this framework decided at the start and playing the play that we planned (this is key for successful player), we restrict ourselves to a modest profit.
So you see the power of triple shooter framework. All four tables in wiesbaden from yesterday, 1 easy table, 1 difficult table and 2 normal tables. If I was playing, I would have adopted a cyclic approach and walked the day off with a 38 unit profit(+13 from table2 +9 from table3 +2 from table 4 and +14 from table 7). But as you can see even if someone might have continued he could have targetted for a better outcome.
So that comes to the end of my explanation of the framework. This shows how the concepts discovered in this forum can become a powerful tool for anyone, as I have simply combined what i have learnt from here to a few basic concepts. I played this continuously for a month sometime last year and I can vouch that a 200 unit bank grew to 20,000 units applying Victor's 50:25:25 money management and compounding base units.
Points to ponder
As you can easily see all our concepts come good here.
1. Take all chances
2. Keep things simple
3. Follow what's happening in the table
4. Do a progression that suits the framework. In this case, it's a cyclic progression. How you implement cyclic progression is upto you.
Now as powerful as this method is, as exhibited in table 4, it tanks but can recover as well. So don't forget the strong money management bit, as without it you are digging yourself a grave.
Any thoughts, any feedback, any adaptation of this framework will be a learning exercise for all of us in this forum. So please contribute and grow the wealth of this forum. Looking for a fruitful stay here!
Yours!
GreatGrampa
Thanks a lot for these very clear explanations of your framework GG!
So easy to read and understand, even for a french guy!
Cheers,
Interesting take on how to mark the W/L registry for the Next spin.....I had not thought about comparing the Last Spin result to the one that we were chasing. (and therefore not ness the spin before last!)
I will try this variant, and the cycles machine for the added bonus in game.
Excellent presentation GG.... :applause:
EDIT:
I have to say, this is the hardest part to get round my head
It would seem, that even when U win 2 out of three, the bet (the EC's ) stay the same
Quote27 - ROH - W - +1 - We bet 3 and got back 4. This is marked as W as per LW register. So we repeat the chances. Next bet will be ROH
In the above case, although 2 outta three ain't bad, I would normally change the EC bet that missed, and target accordingly.
And inversely, sometimes when we win all three EC's, we still note a loss, and change the bet to Opposite!
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35 - BOH - L - -1 - We bet 3 and got back 2. This is marked as L as per register. So we bet against the chances. Next bet will be REL. Over all we are +1 now.
14 - REL - L - +3 - We won all the 3 bets and got back 6. However as per LW register, this will be marked as "L" even though we won the bet. that's because none of the last even chance repeated. THIS IS KEY. Next bet will be against the chances as the register says L. It will be on BOH. Overall we are +4 now.
That is a strange and novel one.....maybe practice will see us right!
Chris,
The LW register is different from what you are trying to play. LW register is what is happening in the table. Irrespective of what you bet, whether you are winning or losing, LW register just follows the table based on the last two numbers came. Of the last two numbers if 2 or 3 out of 3 even chances match its marked as a "W" in the LW register, else it is marked as a "L".
Now comes what you bet. If the LW register says "L", you just bet the opposite of the number that came last, irrespective of where you placed your bets last. It should not be the opposite of where you last placed your bets. This is why this is different from others because you are followign the table for every single bet and not going with a fixed "Same" and "Opposite". Similarly, if the LW register says "W", you just bet the same chances as the number that came last, irrespective of where you placed your bets last.
Hope you got this. Happy to clarify.
Now I am not a big fan of excels and bots as it interrupts my creativity at the table, but i know some people enjoy using them. So I have created a little excel which is designed to follow exactly what i described in the framework with a 5 spin cyclic progression. All you need to do is enter your base unit and start entering the spins and the excel will do the rest for you. My advice as always, don't be a system player, the excel will make you a system player. Use it wisely! Happy reading and happy playing folks!
Hi,
Nice topic, GreatGrampa - or are you RouletteExplorer?? eh? I say that as you have similar writing style to him and he was an 'oldtimer' too... Anyhow, whatever, I like the idea very much and it's a bit like his "everything reversed system".
Will be trying this soon!
Respect - and please keep up the good work along these lines. :)
A.
GG,
In your experience with this method of play, is playing with flat betting a consistent winner, loser, or break even? (With a proper stop loss) Is it neccessary to do the cyclic progression to come out on top long term?
Thanks
Quote from: ll l lll ll l lll on May 03, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
GG,
Is it neccessary to do the cyclic progression to come out on top long term?
Thanks
For months am preaching the same story.....it is the only way.....but there is more to be said,
but some other time...as am of to Malta this evening.
Quote from: ll l lll ll l lll on May 03, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
GG,
In your experience with this method of play, is playing with flat betting a consistent winner, loser, or break even? (With a proper stop loss) Is it neccessary to do the cyclic progression to come out on top long term?
Thanks
Completely agree with Flat ino.
Playing flat betting you can be a winner on long term, but your winnings will be something like a 0.01% and you have to have a lot and lot more playing time and larger number of spins to get to that 0.01% coupled with very tight MM. Its not worth it and is no fun. As I mentioned, i figured out the hard way that cyclic progression is the best bet for this kind of a framework. Any other progression that i know will increase your drawdown and hence the risk of losing larger amounts. Hope you get it. Also, as the draw down from cyclic bet is not high as I have shown in the example, there should not be any hindrances playing it and preferring it over flat bet.
Quote from: Atlantis on May 03, 2013, 03:05:13 PM
Hi,
Nice topic, GreatGrampa - or are you RouletteExplorer?? eh? I say that as you have similar writing style to him and he was an 'oldtimer' too... Anyhow, whatever, I like the idea very much and it's a bit like his "everything reversed system".
Will be trying this soon!
Respect - and please keep up the good work along these lines. :)
A.
Glad you liked it. I respect roulette explorer but am not him :)
I don't mind who u ARE, or who U WERE....your dam good at posting in forums......
but here's the rub of my lack of understanding here.....
(BTW-Thanx for the targeted reply GG....)
How do U equate this then:-
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Of the last two numbers if 2 or 3 out of 3 even chances match its marked as a "W" in the LW register, else it is marked as a L
vers
us this imponderable?
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14 - REL - L - +3 - We won all the 3 bets and got back 6. However as per LW register, this will be marked as "L" even though we won the bet. that's because none of the last even chance repeated. THIS IS KEY. Next bet will be against the chances as the register says L. It will be on BOH.
How come getting 3 outta 3 isn't a Win in anyone's book? lol
The repeat is obviously the issue!
Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 03, 2013, 10:04:49 AM
30 - REH - W - +1 - Next bet is REH. Overall we are +2 now.
35 - BOH - L - -1 - We bet 3 and got back 2. This is marked as L as per register. So we bet against the chances. Next bet will be REL. Over all we are +1 now.
14 - REL - L - +3 - We won all the 3 bets and got back 6. However as per LW register, this will be marked as "L" eventhough we won the bet. that's because none of the last even chance repeated. THIS IS KEY. Next bet will be against the chances as the register says L. It will be on BOH. Overall we are +4 now.
Chris,
Let me try explaining. Lets say you start the table from 2 numbers before the number you had in question.
30 - REH
35 - BOH - L - No bet. But am marking this as a loss as only one EC matched. The comparison for LW is made between 30 and 35 and not what you bet on. Here you have not bet anything. Because the LW register said L, irrespective of what you bet on, you bet next for the even chances on 35 to fail. For 35 to fail you have to bet on REL.
14 - REL - L - For a moment forget that you bet on REL. As previous, make the comparison between 35 and 14. it's a loss, so you mark the LW register as loss and bet for the next number also to be loss on 14. So the next bet selection will be BOH. So basically the LW register here is not whether you lost your previous bet or not. The LW register is how the number in current spin performed against the number in previous spin. So your next bet is based on what you see on the table and not based on what you bet last time. What you bet on and whether you lost or won is immaterial here as we are using a cyclic progression to see whether we won a cycle or lost a cycle.
Let me know whether this clarifies! Alternatively, I would suggest to use the excel to input numbers one by one and see how the next betselection suggestion comes up. You will be able to get it eventually. :)
I see clearly now the rains have gone............ :o
I think I get U now.........Its not the loss of any of the individual EC's that the comparison, but how the whole Triple shot performed as a group, compared to the spin before.
I will look into the Excel sheet, and watch the numbers dance their dance.
Hi GG . . .
Great Post. I love playing the EC's.
Kindly check out the attached Excel sheet and see if I am understanding your Register. If not, advise and I can fix.
This sheet comes with it's own RNG numbers. If you wish to input your our set of numbers, simple delete Column A or copy it and move it elsewhere.
Then, test it out with whatever progression you like.
Enjoy . . .
Nick
@Nick
Tell me please, how easy is it to move the next bet selections around, without ruining the formulas until they align with the layout on the Casino GUI that I am testing Triple Shooter on?
This is how the table is laid out:-
Low, Even, Red, Black, Odd, High
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So, lets say the first betselection is Red, Low Even, I would want to read that, left to right, as L, E, R...its makes for less complication on the chip placement, but I realize that we would have to have a six lane wide Betselection to accomadate this option
L, E, R, B, O, H (all the EC's)
L, E, R
L, E, B
L, R, O
L, B, O
E, R, H
E, B, H
R, O, H
B, O, H
Hi Chris . .
I am a little busy right now, but I was able to quickly reposition the EC to show Left to Right Betting Order for
the 3 EC's. I can do it for 6 but not this weekend.
Hope this helps...
Nick
Cheers Nick. :thumbsup:
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I have a question.
I been thinking about looking into John Patrick's way.
Playing against 9 high reds, using low and black.
That way i can see a reason why you would play more then one even money position.
But i don't understand the reason why you would play all six even money position.
Can it be you try to take advantage out of equilibrium's when you aim for triple position?
Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 03, 2013, 08:56:38 AM
Law of reality suggests that all 3 ECs cannot trend together. Put in other words you will not lose all 3 bets on a streak like 10 reds when betting only colours or 10 odds in a row when betting only EO. Sure you may lose some if 2 out of 3 streak, but you will still be winning on one. that's where we are able to achieve and gain some advantage over playing just one EC, by converting this into a partial percentage play.
I am neither a mathematician nor a statistician, but the one with experience and instincts and this sounds right for me as these three are three individual outcomes independent of each other.
If you're betting all 3 EC's at the same time your variance is going to be 3 times what it would be betting on a single EC, so you should triple the bank you have budgeted for 1 if you're going to bet 3. While all 3 EC's may not trend together very often or for long, it will happen often enough for you to need those extra banks.
But I like your "cyclic" approach. :thumbsup:
Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 03, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
Chris,
The LW register is different from what you are trying to play. LW register is what is happening in the table. Irrespective of what you bet, whether you are winning or losing, LW register just follows the table based on the last two numbers came. Of the last two numbers if 2 or 3 out of 3 even chances match its marked as a "W" in the LW register, else it is marked as a "L".
Now comes what you bet. If the LW register says "L", you just bet the opposite of the number that came last, irrespective of where you placed your bets last. It should not be the opposite of where you last placed your bets. This is why this is different from others because you are followign the table for every single bet and not going with a fixed "Same" and "Opposite". Similarly, if the LW register says "W", you just bet the same chances as the number that came last, irrespective of where you placed your bets last.
Hope you got this. Happy to clarify.
Now I am not a big fan of excels and bots as it interrupts my creativity at the table, but i know some people enjoy using them. So I have created a little excel which is designed to follow exactly what i described in the framework with a 5 spin cyclic progression. All you need to do is enter your base unit and start entering the spins and the excel will do the rest for you. My advice as always, don't be a system player, the excel will make you a system player. Use it wisely! Happy reading and happy playing folks!
wow, thank you very much
the excel sheet counts zero as LBE so it messes the results a bit but no matter
And I agree with Flat, betting in cycles is a very good way of playing - better than flatbetting or standard progressions
Hello again . . .
To see the power of "cyclic progressions" I redid the sheet with a 5 cycle progression.
If in a loss position after 5 spins then +1.
If in a plus position after 5 spins then (-1).
This is just one variation of cyclical progressions.
Enjoy . . .
Nick
I did a quick trial on SLC live auto-roulette.
+11units in 21 spins (flatbetting only for now)
A.
Quote from: Sputnik on May 04, 2013, 06:46:26 AM
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I have a question.
I been thinking about looking into John Patrick's way.
Playing against 9 high reds, using low and black.
That way i can see a reason why you would play more then one even money position.
But i don't understand the reason why you would play all six even money position.
Can it be you try to take advantage out of equilibrium's when you aim for triple position?
Sputnik
What I would like to stress what I said earlier is this is not a system. It's a framework. The reason I picked three even chances, is not to break equilibrium, but to create a bet which provides percentage returns in a percentage game. Also, we need to take the other concepts into consideration. Taking 3 even chances alone in isolation will not get us anywhere.
If played as a system, this will be an absolute bonker. The advice as I said in the start of thread to anyone is to understand concepts and evolve a framework which will suit the play following the table. I have decided to take a 90 session challenge to show how to use this framework. Will post videos starting with a 100 unit bankroll and see how far we go either at the end of 90 sessions or the evaporation of 100 unit br whichever is earlier.
Wish me good!
Quote from: Bayes on May 04, 2013, 07:54:10 AM
If you're betting all 3 EC's at the same time your variance is going to be 3 times what it would be betting on a single EC, so you should triple the bank you have budgeted for 1 if you're going to bet 3. While all 3 EC's may not trend together very often or for long, it will happen often enough for you to need those extra banks.
But I like your "cyclic" approach. :thumbsup:
Can't agree more with you! But based on my experience I believe it doesn't happen
enuf enough if you adopt a proper inter and intra session mm to need extra banks. This is why I have decided to take a 90 session challenge. Who knows it might tank! But I have a feeling it won't, because I have done this earlier.
I think I getting the idea of your "Framework" concept.
The central idea, (as I see it) is knowing at any one time, what the Win/Loss registry is on the wheel your playing at, and therefore changing your betting strategy to suit that changing environment.
The Triple Shooter, was just an example of how to apply the Win/Loss notation?
Tell me if I'm getting somewhere along this long road? :whistle:
Quote from: Chrisbis on May 07, 2013, 12:01:24 PM
The central idea, (as I see it) is knowing at any one time, what the Win/Loss registry is on the wheel your playing at, and therefore changing your betting strategy to suit that changing environment.
Absolutely Chris, the central idea is to keep things simple (LW register), chose the strategy best suiting the environment (in this case a cycle progression) and follow what is happening. As promised, I have started working on the videos and will post as soon as am ready.
Initial set upTriple shooter - Starting brief (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSVVDA37Sfc#)
Session 1. Hopefully, further sessions will be quick and i will try to summarize, if there is nothing to explain.
Triple shooter - Session 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuC-fjyYP54#)
Excellent video making GGpaps. :nod:
Question.
At the end of session 1, in your default sheet, shouldn't the Imaginary BR of 100 be marked somehow as being used?
Thanks for the video explanations, gramps...
Which way would you advise playing the 3 EC then on the r.n.g. roulette? The way you showed us originally or the way shown in the video (against the wheel)??
How do you decide which to follow?
Thanks,
A.
Chris,
Essentially I had two physical bankrolls of 100 unit each and 18 imaginary bankrolls of 100 unit each before the start of the session. This totals up to 2000 units.
Now before the session starts I take 2 units as erosion fund. This erosion fund I will directly deposit into my pocket. I am not going to touch this 2 unit for playing at all. So whatever happens, the casino is going to take only 98 units from me. That leaves us with 1998 units (198 physical units and 1800 imaginary units).
Now at the end of the session, I have +14 units. I take 50% of this into my pocket, which the casino is not going to get their hands on. So my pocket strength is now 9 units (2 unit from erosion fund 7 units from session 1). After pocketting it, we are left with 7 units. We take 50% of this remaining rounded to the next highest whole unit into our playing BR. 50% of 7 units rounded off is 4 units, which will go into our playing bank roll. Our playing bankroll was 98, it becomes 102 now. That leaves us with 3 units, which we get into a new Bankroll called cushion BR.
So at the end of the session our bankrolls look like this.
Physical playing bank roll - 102 units
Physical recovery bank roll - 100 units
Imaginary bank roll - 1800 units (18 bankrolls of 100 unit each)
Cushion bank roll - 3 units
Pocket - 9 units.
Hope this clarifies your question. I will make things clearer on why am doing what i am doing as we get into more sessions, as it is easier to explain things as it happens rather than explaining it upfront. But essentially the concept revolves around a single motto "Make it as difficult as possible for the casino to get THEIR hands on YOUR money". Not to deviate from the current thread, I will stop this here and probably some other time walkthrough various MM concepts and share what works for me and the framework around it, so that one can define one of their own that suits them.
P.S. Thanks Chris for pointing the mistake. Typo corrected and your post deleted
Quote from: Atlantis on May 07, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
Thanks for the video explanations, gramps...
Which way would you advise playing the 3 EC then on the r.n.g. roulette? The way you showed us originally or the way shown in the video (against the wheel)??
How do you decide which to follow?
Thanks,
A.
A,
I will stop short of recommending this, as my knowledge on RNG casino is very limited to what i have seen today. I know there are other experts on this forum, who have a sea of experience who can comment better on this.
What i can tell you is my take from real life casino. I would generally read a couple of tables for 10-15 spins for either following the wheel or going against the wheel. Depending on which one comes on top, i follow that method. Now once we have decided, it is again not set in stone. I might decide to change mid-session into either following or against depending on what is happening in the table. Sometimes, I decide upfront before getting into a table that i will alternate every spin or every set of 5 spins or every 1,2,3 spins. If I decide to alternate this every 1,2,3 spins, I will play following the wheel for first spin, against the wheel for spin number 2 and 3 and following the wheel for spin numbers 4,5 and 6. This alternation is another attempt at breaking any trend or experienced dealers reading your framework and reacting to limit your gains. (Or my take on beating randomness with randomness if I can call it that way:) ). that's why i said this is not a system and you have to adapt based on what's happening within the rules of the framework. Some may say its all a fallacy and doesn't matter whether you follow or play against, but hey the whole roulette game is based on fallacy as the greatest mathematician in Einstein couldnt break it!
Having said that, not changing/adapting is not going to get you into a deep well as long as you follow disciplined MM. Its just that you will not be able to maximize your profit or limit your losses and hence will take a longer time to grow your bank roll. So lets say i might double my playing bankroll in 8-10 sessions without adapting to what is happening in the table as opposed to only 3-4 sessions while you are able to constantly adapt to what is happening.
Thanks GreatGrampa. I agree about being flexible and adapting to changing circumstances. In my experience, usually when I switch after losses that is the point when the results decide to change too and I get more losses... :)
Anyhow what do you think of this follow-the-wheel approach below which ALWAYS bets on the predominating sides of an EC over the last THREE spins instead of each SINGLE spin........?
Track the EC results of the last 3 numbers.
R/B E/O H/L
Then FLATBET for each spin the side of the EC which predominates out of the LAST 3 VERTICAL results in each column.
If flatbetting then the bet never changes: 1u-1u-1u each spin after the initial 3 recorded numbers.
Or you can use +1 cyclic progression as below (eg: after 5 results)
Remember take the side of the EC which dominates out of the last 3 vertical results (check after each spin)
Results are from a NOZERO session using cyclic betting
[reveal=Cyclic Progression]
BEH
BEL
BEL first 3 numbers so bet BEL as they are the dominants in each column
REH LWL -1 NOW BET BEL
REL LWW +0 NOW BET REL
BOH LLL -3 NOW BET REH
ROH WLW -2 NOW BET ROH
ROL WWL -1 NOW BET ROH ......Incr to 2
---------------------------------------------
ROL WWL +1 NOW BET ROL
BOL LWW +3 NOW BET ROL
REH WLL +1 NOW BET ROL
BEL LLW -1 NOW BET BEL
BEL WWW +5 NOW BET BEL....Decr to 1
---------------------------------------------
BEH WWL +6 NOW BET BEL
BEH WWL +7 NOW BET BEH
ROH LLW +6 NOW BET BEH
REL LWL +5 NOW BET REH
BEH LWW +6 NOW BET REH.....Stay at 1
--------------------------------------------
ROL WLL +5 NOW BET REH
BOL LLL +2 NOW BET BOL
BEH WLL +1 NOW BET BOL
ROH LWL +0 NOW BET BOH
BOH WWW +3 NOW BET BOH......Incr to 2
----------------------------------------------
BEH WLW +5 NOW BET BOH
ROL LWL +3 NOW BET BOH
BOL WWL +5 NOW BET BOL
REH LLL -1 NOW BET BOL
ROL LWW +1 NOW BET ROL........Incr to 3
--------------------------------------------
BEL LLW -2 NOW BET ROL
BOL LWW +1 NOW BET REL
ROH WLL -2 NOW BET BOL
REH LLL -11 NOW BET BOL
ROL LWW -8 NOW BET ROH.......Incr to 4
----------------------------------------------
ROL WWL -4 NOW BET ROH
ROL WWL +0 NOW BET ROL
ROL WWW +12 NOW BET ROL
REL WLW +16 NOW BET ROL
REH WLL +12 NOW BET ROL......Decr to 1
-------------------------------------------------
BOH LWL +11 NOW BET REL
BEL LWW +12 NOW BET REH
REL WWL +13 NOW BET BEH
BOH WLW +14 NOW BET BEL
REH LWL +13 NOW BET BEL........Stay at 1
------------------------------------------------
REH LWL +12 NOW BET REH
REL WWL +13 NOW BET REH
ROL WLW +14 NOW BET REL
ROL WLW +15 NOW BET ROL
BEH LLL +12 NOW BET ROL........Incr to 2
------------------------------------------------
BOH LWL +10 NOW BET BOH
ROH LWW +12 NOW BET BOH
ROH LWW +14 NOW BET ROH
BOL LWL +12 NOW BET ROH
BEH LLW +10 NOW BET BOH......Incr to 3
-------------------------------------------------
ROH LWW +13 NOW BET BOH
BEL WLL +10 NOW BET BEH
BOH WLW +13 NOW BET BOH
ROH LWW +16 NOW BET BOH
ROH LWW +19 NOW BET ROH.........Decr to 1
--------------------------------------------------
ROH WWW +22 NOW BET ROH
ROH WWW +25 NOW BET ROH
BEL LLL +22 NOW BET ROH
BEH LLW +21 NOW BET BEH
ROL LLL +18 NOW BET BEL.........Incr to 2
--------------------------------------------------
BEL WWW +24 NOW BET BEL
ROH LLL +18 NOW BET ROL
BEL LLW +16 NOW BET BEL
REL LWW +18 NOW BET REL
BEL LWW +20 NOW BET BEL........Decr to 1
--------------------------------------------------
BEH WWL +21 NOW BET BEL
REL LWW +22 NOW BET BEL
BEH WWL +23 NOW BET REH
BEH LWW +24 NOW BET BEH
BOL WLL +23 NOW BET BEH....Stay at 1
--------------------------------------------------
ROL LLL +20 NOW BET BOL
ROL LWW +21 NOW BET ROL
BEH LLL +18 NOW BET ROL
ROH WWL +19 NOW BET ROH
ROH WWW +22 NOW BET ROH.... Incr to 2
-------------------------------------------------
ROL WWL +24 NOW BET ROH
BOH LWW +26 NOW BET ROH
ROL WWL +28 NOW BET ROL
ROH WWL +30 NOW BET ROH
REL WLL +28 NOW BET ROL........Decr to 1
---------------------------------------------------
REL WLW +29 NOW BET REL
BEH LWL +28 NOW BET REL
BEL LWW +29 NOW BET BEL
BOH WLL +28 NOW BET BEH
ROH LLW +27 NOW BET BOH.......Incr to 2
---------------------------------------------------
BOL WWL +29 NOW BET BOH
REL LLL +23 NOW BET ROL
BEL LLW +21 NOW BET BEL
BEL WWW +27 NOW BET BEL
BEL WWW +33 NOW BET BEL.......Decr to 1
---------------------------------------------------
BOL WLW +34 NOW BET BEL
BEL WWW +37 NOW BET BEL
REL LWW +38 NOW BET BEL
BOH WLL +37 NOW BET BEL
REL LWW +38 NOW BET REL.......Stay at 1
---------------------------------------------------
Profit = +38 units.
[/reveal]
Results flatbetting:
[reveal=FlatBetting]
BEH
BEL
BEL first 3 numbers so bet BEL as they are the dominants
REH -1
REL +0
BOH -3
ROH -2
ROL -1
ROL +0
BOL +1
REH +0
BEL -1
BEL +2
BEH +3
BEH +4
ROH +3
REL +2
BEH +3
ROL +2
BOL +1
BEH +0
ROH -1
BOH +2
BEH +3
ROL +2
BOL +3
REH +0
ROL +3
BEL +2
BOL +1
ROH +0
REH -3
ROL -2
ROL -1
ROL +2
ROL +5
REL +6
REH +5
BOH +2
BEL +3
REL +2
BOH +1
REH +2
REH +5
REL +6
ROL +5
ROL +6
BEH +3
BOH +2
ROH +3
ROH +4
BOL +3
BEH +2
ROH +3
BEL +2
BOH +3
ROH +4
ROH +5
ROH +8
ROH +11
BEL +10
BEH +9
ROL +6
BEL +9
ROH +6
BEL +5
REL +6
BEL +7
BEH +8
REL +9
BEH +10
BEH +13
BOL +12
ROL +9
ROL +10
BEH +7
ROH +8
ROH +11
ROL +12
BOH +13
ROL +14
ROH +15
REL +14
REL +15
BEH +14
BEL +15
BOH +14
ROH +13
BOL +14
REL +11
BEL +10
BEL +13
BEL +16
BOL +17
BEL +20
REL +21
BOH +20
REL +21
+21u profit
[/reveal]
You can still change and switch to bet the "passive" sides of the EC's (opposite the dominants) if you feel that it may help with this too. :)
A.
Fantastic implementation of the framework Atlantis! You have done total justice to the name Triple shooter by evenly distributing your bets across all three even chances every spin, used the cyclic progression which best fits this framework and kept your bet selection simple. What more can you ask from a fellow forumer. Also you have clearly established hat contrary to popular belief you don't need 3 times your typical bank roll used for only one even chance as against 3 ECs.
This is exactly why I wanted it be seen as a framework and not a system, as it opens up multitude of possibilities based on a simple set of rules. The more people contribute and adapt we will be able to figure out more variations and learn from each other. This is the exact reason I startes this thread.
Now what I shall do is, to use this variation blindly for my next session video as a tribute to Atlantis. And I promise to do the same for anyone who is able to improvise the framework and provide a successful adaptation within the rules of the framework
Great job Atlantis You have led the way to open up a can of worms (or should I say a treasure chest).
Nice explanation Atlantis, I think it's a great and elegant way to utilise all three ECs.
I think it demands further testing, especially if flat bets hold up
BW
Quote from: Buffalowizard on May 07, 2013, 09:15:27 PM
Nice explanation Atlantis, I think it's a great and elegant way to utilise all three ECs.
I think it demands further testing, especially if flat bets hold up
BW
We can do more tests, but based on what I have seen and the time spent on this framwork, flat betting will not hold up long or consistently in every session.
Who teach you manrique Great Granmpa?
Quote from: GGasoft on May 08, 2013, 07:50:20 AM
Who teach you manrique Great Granmpa?
Just through forums and info in net. Happy to learn always if someone can.
Fantastic!!!
Who could create a super-sofware with all this implementations?: Bot for BVNZ, MM, etc... :cheer:
I'm not serious. With a moderately developed excell would be more than enough.
Thank you Grampa :thumbsup:
4 cycles at 1u. Only last cycle ended +
1 1 1, 2 2 2, 3 3 3, 4 4 4 +28u
Quote from: Turner on May 09, 2013, 09:49:51 PM
4 cycles at 1u. Only last cycle ended +
1 1 1, 2 2 2, 3 3 3, 4 4 4 +28u
Great Turner. Also a warm welcome to this forum.
Now as promised the video with bet selection as Atlantis described! I am leaving you with some thoughts on does bet selection really matters? Based on my experience it is a big NO. It is what we call fallacy and am very much part of the fallacy myself by varying my bet selections, finding a simple way to do it so on and so forth. What really is hte stronger aspect of this method is the cyclical progression and betting on all 3 even chances in an attempt to convert the wins or losses into percentages rather than a total loss or win. We will see more on this in the next session, but at the moment, it is anyone's guess (or theory) and my experience.
Session 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfC6qh1ngPo#)
As promised,just short introduction of my way of playing all 3 EC,
especially if you could find lapartage table.
Great flat. A couple of lines of explanation would be much appreciated.
@GreatGrampa: Such an easy framework/system, yet so complex.
1)I did a virtual test with 5 cycles, max bet 2 units and ended up with 8 units profit at a live table. Was it just luck or should work the same at a live wheel?
2)The 0 should be written in the excel sheet? I think we should skip it because it messes results.
3)I see the rules of the game have changed and we bet different, can i get the latest excel? Or you will still be using the old one from page 1?
Quote from: Mudiru on May 11, 2013, 02:00:44 AM
@GreatGrampa: Such an easy framework/system, yet so complex.
1)I did a virtual test with 5 cycles, max bet 2 units and ended up with 8 units profit at a live table. Was it just luck or should work the same at a live wheel?
Should work the same at live wheel.
Quote from: Mudiru on May 11, 2013, 02:00:44 AM2)The 0 should be written in the excel sheet? I think we should skip it because it messes results.
Immaterial. Some cases it will work in your favors. Sme cases it will work against. But you can improvise it.
Quote from: Mudiru on May 11, 2013, 02:00:44 AM3)I see the rules of the game have changed and we bet different, can i get the latest excel? Or you will still be using the old one from page 1?
The rules remain the same. If you are a system player then there need to multiple excel files, as there multiple systems here based on a single framework. Unfortunately,I am not able to help as I don't have excels for all that has been discussed so far
All the best
Thanks for the fast response. I wrote the numbers from your videos in my excel file from the 1st page of this thread and it tells me to bet different. In the end i still win, but this means you modified your excel file since then and i was wondering if i could get the new one, when i loose to much with the 1st excel i will use the 2nd to recover and so on..
n problems. eventhough I don't recommend the use of excels like that there is no harm in sharing the excel I used in the video :). i will upload it as soon as am able to access my PC which is possibly after the weekend. hope its fine. o
Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 10, 2013, 11:06:42 PM
Great flat. A couple of lines of explanation would be much appreciated.
--By statistics/Bayes/7,8,and 9th. spins are the most repeat spins of them all....correct???
First spin of first 6 virtual,will be trigger for next 3 spins/7,8,and 9th. spins/
After finish betting/7,8,9/our next trigger would be again first spin of last 6 spins....
And so on in cycles of 3 spins/as 7,8,and 9th.spins/always looking back 6 spins for new trigger.
Five x 3 spins is our betting cycle......1 up on loss,1 down on a win....very simple,I think....and
Bayes may be right with his statistics.
:cheer: thanks flat! very novel idea on bet selection!
Bayes is a whizz indeed! O0
Quote from: Mudiru on May 11, 2013, 11:26:21 AM
Thanks for the fast response. I wrote the numbers from your videos in my excel file from the 1st page of this thread and it tells me to bet different. In the end i still win, but this means you modified your excel file since then and i was wondering if i could get the new one, when i loose to much with the 1st excel i will use the 2nd to recover and so on..
Mudiru,
Here u go.
Thanks! Each one tells to bet the opposite, so if you have a long bad run with one you can switch to the other, as trend goes. So what i learn is that it doesn't really matter what you bet, more important is the cycle betting.
I don't know where You see profit in this strategy .
I test this for random Dublinbet sessions from last 3 days, each 150 spins.
1 : -50 , whole session minus
2 : highest was +8 , I wait for + 10 as target profit , never reach and ended - 210
3 : this one reach + 10 , I play whole session , bigest profit + 20
Quote from: ozon on May 13, 2013, 12:18:21 AM
I don't know where You see profit in this strategy .
I test this for random Dublinbet sessions from last 3 days, each 150 spins.
1 : -50 , whole session minus
2 : highest was +8 , I wait for + 10 as target profit , never reach and ended - 210
3 : this one reach + 10 , I play whole session , bigest profit + 20
Ozon,
We did exchange PMs. Apologies, was very busy lately so couldnt come back to you earlier. I don't advice the way you are playing without a proper MM. Anyone in this forum can advice strongly on how to manage your money in a better manner and how to do the same within/around sessions.
Also, i see you really do very long sessions. Attached is a way that should suit your style of play. Please test it extensively before using it.
Others,
Attached is my take on what Flat has commented in this thread using the statistics provided by Bayes (Both of them are real genius and filled with wisdom and experience.. Salute! :applause: ). Basically i tweaked Flats bet selection method to continuously look at the first of the previous 6 spins and play it for 7,8 and 9th spins as a bet selection. Attached is the outcome from Ozon's play into hell.
Session 1 : Flat betting , final state -3 units, Sesion max +20 units.
Cyclic betting, final state -28 units, session max +57 units.
Session 2 : Flat betting +12 units, session max +31 units
Cyclic betting +35 units, session max +71 units.
Session 3 : Flat betting +16 units, session max +33 units
Cyclic betting +35 units, session max +85 units.
So the quest continues !!! The more we look the more we learn and the more we adapt the more we win.
A note to flat and atlantis, i have successfully used your selections in my last few visits to soho square! Thanks for the continuous learning experience
This is to Flat and Bayes!
Session 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPRBdWcu5PU#)
Hi Grampa and others following this thread,
I'm trying/playing another alternative way...
Record the last five results into R/B, E/O and H/L
RRBBR EOEOE HLLHH
Now bet the 3 EC opposites of those 5 with the "cycle of 5 progression"
For example using those above 5 results: first bet will be BOL then BEH then ROH then REL and finally BOL.
RRBBR EOEOE HLLHH =first track 5 results
RRRBR EEOEE HLHLL =L-3; L-4, W-1, W+0, L-1 -1 so up to 2u and bet opposites again...
BRRRB EOEOE LHLHL =W+1, W+3, W+5, W+11, L+9 +9 down to 1u and bet opposites again...
and so on.....
A.
PS.
A better way to record is simply like this:
REH ROL BEL BOH REH
REH REL ROH BEL REL
@A
You could also play............
RRBBR EOEOE HLLHH ..................Now take the best average score of the 5 series results
Av=R E H
So, now play R, E, H for one spin..........(then take note of result as part of a 5 step progression maybe!)
If win ....reset any progression. Take and note next 5 spins (no bet), & begin again to get your average.
If lose....take one step into a negative progression. Take next 5 spins (no bet), & begin again to get your average.
(Note, because your always looking to win 2 out of 3 (or better), progressions could be quite complex....I like complex!) :drunk:
Quote from: Chrisbis on May 19, 2013, 11:42:09 AM
@A
You could also play............
RRBBR EOEOE HLLHH ..................Now take the best average score of the 5 series results
Av=R E H
So, now play R, E, H for one spin..........(then take note of result as part of a 5 step progression maybe!)
If win ....reset any progression. Take and note next 5 spins (no bet), & begin again to get your average.
If lose....take one step into a negative progression. Take next 5 spins (no bet), & begin again to get your average.
(Note, because your always looking to win 2 out of 3 (or better), progressions could be quite complex....I like complex!) :drunk:
Nick already knows this progression. How? I had him make a sheet for the bot using it.
Ask him.
Sam
Quote from: Chrisbis on May 19, 2013, 11:42:09 AM
@A
You could also play............
RRBBR EOEOE HLLHH ..................Now take the best average score of the 5 series results
Av=R E H
So, now play R, E, H for one spin..........(then take note of result as part of a 5 step progression maybe!)
If win ....reset any progression. Take and note next 5 spins (no bet), & begin again to get your average.
If lose....take one step into a negative progression. Take next 5 spins (no bet), & begin again to get your average.
(Note, because your always looking to win 2 out of 3 (or better), progressions could be quite complex....I like complex!) :drunk:
Hi Chrisbis,
Nice mod there! :) That is similar to the previous best of 3 dominants. Should work good. I agree with GreatGrampa and the others that it is the cycle progression which is key...
A.
I total agree.......
Cycle progressions are the way forward, and could now feature in lots of previously articulated methods.
We will now have to go back over all methods, to see which ones suit cyclic progressions.
Let us not forget where cyclic progressions came from: FLATman!!
Go FLATman!!
I think "Flat-in-O" is a little more flattering!! lol
Quote from: Chrisbis on May 19, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
I think "Flat-in-O" is a little more flattering!! lol
The name says it all. Flatter in a circle. O:-). I think like Marty, alembert this should be named flat progression. :thumbsup:
Excellent mods chrispy and Atlantis. I will try to make a video next week.
Ahem!
No need to FLATter FLAT. His ego is larger than the country he lives in now!!
(That was TwoCat humor, FLATman. Don't come after me like an Oklahoma tornado!!)
But, call it as you wish, just remember who coined it.
GreatGrandpa
Thanks for posting the DNHG.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 20, 2013, 03:35:26 PM
Ahem!
No need to FLATter FLAT. His ego is larger than the country he lives in now!!
(That was TwoCat humor, FLATman. Don't come after me like an Oklahoma tornado!!)
But, call it as you wish, just remember who coined it.
GreatGrandpa
Thanks for posting the DNHG.
Sam
--Not really Sam,as am busy with my guests now...but will say few words that most of you guys
skip and avoid totally........
LEVELING CYCLE PROGRESSION.......which I explained couple of
times,and only one guy ask for further explanation.It seem as difficult this kind of progression
but actually it is very easy and effective in real play.Long live summer.
hi, what is the level progression here?
Quote from: zabbot on May 20, 2013, 09:33:38 PM
hi, what is the level progression here?
Flat,may be you would like to answer this.
OK! it's a long time we discussed something on Triple shooter. Now Victor's vote suggested that most are fans of Straight up play. How do we apply Triple shooter framework to straight-ups?
All the concepts - Playing 3 ECs, keeping it simple, catching the trend. But instead of ECs, do it on straight ups. I will post the details on the method later when I find time. But at the moment watch the teaser! Pretty much self explanatory if you know triple shooter.
+119u on 37 spins.
Triple shooter straight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1hqR-xrSXg#)
Great Video presentation again GrGr
I think I can see the method.............I put Man Of Steel "X"-Ray spectacles on for the viewing! lol :beer:
Switched capturing software to improve the viewing experience :) But decided to reduce the resolution to keep the size in limit. 8)
On the video, this is a slightly advanced version of the game. As you can see, we are flat-betting 1u on straight-ups throughout the game in both the videos. Again, it should be self explanatory from the video if you have read all my previous posts. I will try posting the selection process, why it works and how to get off from a sequence from hell when I find more time. Cheers and happy weekend for now!
+210u from 25 spins.
Roulette Game 6] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGfyNXHvfhY#)
Amazing... :whistle: :love:
Bolting sectors together?
If you haven't seen it already, I was inspired by your method. All respect to your thread, just wanted to show you my results playing this:
(my method)
Trigger:Wait for 2 of the same, RO RO, BO BO, RE RE, BE BE
then bet for the opposite 8-10 straight up numbers.
Example: RO RO hits, then bet all BE straight up numbers for the next 3 spins.
IF no hit STOP and wait for a new trigger.Progression: Negative cyclic progression 111222333444...-1 level at hit.
Would be interested in your betselection GG!
Quote from: ignatus on June 21, 2013, 09:16:27 PM
If you haven't seen it already, I was inspired by your method. All respect to your thread, just wanted to show you my results playing this:
(my method)
Trigger:Wait for 2 of the same, RO RO, BO BO, RE RE, BE BE
then bet for the opposite 8-10 straight up numbers.
Example: RO RO hits, then bet all BE straight up numbers for the next 3 spins.
IF no hit STOP and wait for a new trigger.Progression: Negative cyclic progression 111222333444...-1 level at hit.
Would be interested in your betselection GG!
First of all, well done on tryignn to create something that suits you. Test, test and test! Only that can make you win. With the kind of progression that you are playing, I would suggest not to chase too long after a trigger. Also, instead of going opposite, have you tried following the wheel. The game will be a bit faster. You just have to find the right progression for this.
Having said both of above, they are quick observations. When I get more time next week, will look into it.
OK thanks. I'm very interested in knowing your betselection for this "Triple shooter" for straight ups, I'll try to read the thread from beginning
Sure ignatus. It is straightforward. Will post in detail when I get time.
Dear Greatgrampa,
Ok, I have read through all the posts althought I am struggling on some.
So far I get:
If 2+ loss bet opposite
If you get 2+ then bet opposite as you wouild have lost 2= on B4 last
Now I am lost?
Regards Koolkat
Great GG, can you explain more about your betselection for this "Triple shooter" for
straight ups ?ThanksQuote from: GreatGrampa on June 21, 2013, 04:22:21 PM
Switched capturing software to improve the viewing experience :) But decided to reduce the resolution to keep the size in limit. 8)
On the video, this is a slightly advanced version of the game. As you can see, we are flat-betting 1u on straight-ups throughout the game in both the videos. Again, it should be self explanatory from the video if you have read all my previous posts. I will try posting the selection process, why it works and how to get off from a sequence from hell when I find more time. Cheers and happy weekend for now!
+210u from 25 spins.
Roulette Game 6] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGfyNXHvfhY#)
Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 03, 2013, 09:04:04 AM
Basic building block 3 : "Win while you win, lose while you lose"
However, as I always said, this forum has been a huge inspiration for me. If there is one man who taught me how to get around these winning and losing streaks, it is FLAT INO.
Puzzled? Look at his LvF method....
Kindly, can anyone point me to original post of FLAT_INO's LvF method ? I can't find it
Thanks.
Quote from: asterix90 on July 19, 2013, 03:47:57 PM
Kindly, can anyone point me to original post of FLAT_INO's LvF method ? I can't find it
Thanks.
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11088.30 (http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11088.30)
Wondered if there was an update on how the flat bets were worked out?
Thanks
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