Hi i'm Denzie. Very new here. I use most of my gamblingtime on roulette.
Im doing pretty good on that using a parlay.
So thought i'll give it a go on Baccarat. Can someone help me to tell where i can find some Baccarat statistics ?
I did just now a small try with betting once after "player" won. Did got to step 7 pretty fast.
As i have no problem with selfcontrole or patience , and even got a partner in crime....
I'm very interested in how many times we see :
BPBPBPBPBP OR BPBPBPBPBPBPBPBPBP OR 10times B or P in a row
BP PBP PBP P P P P
B B
Thx in advance... :thumbsup:
here
From the respected ,
the Late Mr Oops! site [website being deleted]
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SEQUENCES (1) of the EVEN CHANCES
Total number of spins investigated: 397271
Shown spins for
Red: 395457
Black: 395454
Even: 395381
Odd: 395414
Low: 395465
High: 395305
Total number of ZEROS: 10641
This table shows all sequences (incl single) found in the files. A sequence was regarded as stopped whenever a ZERO was found or, of course, the opposite outcome. When an end-of-day / end-of-file was reached, the on-going sequence was NOT counted for, as this was regarded as an "un-natural" (or pre-mature) ending.
LEGEND:
Lth: Length of sequence
NoFR: Total number of sequences of this lenght found, of Red
NoFB: Total number of sequences of this lenght found, of Black
NoFE: Total number of sequences of this lenght found, of Even
NoFO: Total number of sequences of this lenght found, of Odd
NoFL: Total number of sequences of this lenght found, of Low
NoFH: Total number of sequences of this lenght found, of High
SEQUENCES of the EVEN CHANCES
This table is Copyright © 1999 by XerxX
Lth NoFR NoFB NoFE NoFO NoFL NoFH
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1 51124 50807 50918 51266 51098 50644
2 24497 24816 24637 24664 24633 24637
3 12039 11954 12011 11789 11600 12144
4 5783 5893 5828 5741 5864 5760
5 2748 2706 2732 2839 2750 2834
6 1385 1373 1410 1346 1379 1419
7 638 618 663 641 686 626
8 308 313 295 337 303 312
9 157 162 156 155 155 141
10 82 71 68 68 88 70
11 45 33 32 43 43 33
12 20 16 12 13 12 13
13 11 10 7 10 15 7
14 0 3 6 4 6 7
15 3 4 4 0 2 5
16 0 2 2 2 1 1
17 0 1 0 0 0 3
18 0 0 0 1 0 0
19 0 0 1 1 0 0
21 1 0 1 0 0 0
Ps, BTW, that Zumma Baccarat file is that from an Live Offline or Online casino, or generated by random generator?
Carlitos 8)
Denzie the limist is around 12 singles and 1 serie and 12 singles and 1 serie and 12 singles - that would not happen in the short run or the long run - it is 36 singles and 2 series - that is 5.04 SD
The closest i can get to cover so many attempts - 30 steps with extended starprogression.
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?action=opentopic&topic=70&forum=Blackjack_Message_Board
Same with 36 series of two and two series of three - but this only apply if you losing all bets in a row in one stretch.
If you bet three series of three then the SD drop to get weaker and you have to start over with the caculation, but two in a row does not win when you get back to back, so this does not apply.
I've been send 100k hands. So I'll know what to do the next days. Thx guys.
I Think, That Zumma Baccarat,
is from offline casino, {I download from other forum]
Sputnik says,
{limist is around 12 singles and 1 serie and 12 singles and 1 serie and 12 singles - that would not happen in the short run or the long run - it is 36 singles and 2 series - that is 5.04 SD}
He mean there will never 38singles in 38bet, and at least 2series, in next 38bet.
If that is true, then if we wait for '12single' , to happened first, then the 'limit' will be at least 2series and, or, 24single left, in NEXT 26bet, to happen?..hehehee
or in other way, if we see 10singles, then the limit will be at least 2series and 26single....in next 28bet?
or am I wrong somewhere?
Hi all,
So I'm testing and testing my parlay on Baccarat. I have to say the results are more than good! I tried to get people to help test it on roulette.cc but not much reaction. So I'll try here. It works very good but you need time and patience. Anyone interested?
Denzie
I am interested!!!
I am interested too!!! :)
denzie more than interested,, bacc is my game
Hi P.A and hi Tom, didn't know you where here. Well this parlay stuff works very good on roulette. But there is still that damn 0. So I brought it to Baccarat. Works even better.
So first, you need time and patience. As in most things in gambling.
I'm going for streaks . We got straight streaks and invest streaks.
We bet with a parlay : 2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512
Straight streaks: BBBBBBBBB or PPPPPPPPPP
These are the easiest ones but of course they don't show up every hour(s).
B 2
B 4
B 8
B 16
B 32
B 64
B 128
B 256
B 512
Invest streaks. Here we invest from our own br.
We never invest 2 times in a row. And our highest bet we invest is 32u. Anything higher we reset . We not start our invest b4 we got 2 hits.All possible combo's (let's say we play Bank )
BB P BBBBBBB
BBB P BBBBBB
BBBB P BBBBB
BB P B P BBBBB
Here a long example
B 2 on B
B 4 on B
B 8 on B
B 16 on B
B 32 on B
P 2 on P.....we lost and we not invest higher. Reset
P 4 on P
P 8 on P
B 16 on P..lost but we invest the 16u
P 32 on P...back in the game
B 2 on B.....we lost . reset
P 2 on P...lost. we need minimum 2hits b4 invest
P 4 on P...
B 8 on P ...got our 2 hits so we can invest
P 16 on P...back in the game
B 32 on P last invest.
P 64 on P
P 128 on P
P 256 on P
P 512 on P
Thanks Denzie,
That a unique idea!
Need a few day to reread,
and to really grasp and understanding your method.
thanks!
I've tested 33k hands. (25k virtual with past results and 8k I've played live online at Belgian casino's).
About the straight streaks. If 256 or 512 for our last step , the results are almost the same. I prefer 256 . Keeps the DD more in control.
About invest streaks . Here 256 or 512 for our last step step bit same. Although 512 takes the lead. Stopping on 128 works very well too. The overal profit is bit less but it keeps our BR very good in control.
Money management :
Daily BR : 1000 units
Daily win goal 1000 units up/1000 hands
Busts so far on 33k hands: 4 (4000units). So you can see how big it profits.
Most people not gonna like it I think. It takes time and self control. Myself I'm playing 1000 hand sessions. I know that's around 20 hours. . But I ain't playing alone. I play in shifts. The profits big enough to split. There are days u get 7 streaks .
So my 1000 unit target is my minimum.
Probably best for online live play.
It might sound bit crazy but I never had these big profits b4.
interesting idea
Do you vary your minimum bet or simply play for streaks and invest streaks?
Quote from: Matt on December 01, 2015, 08:59:10 AM
interesting idea
Do you vary your minimum bet or simply play for streaks and invest streaks?
Simply for streaks and invest streaks. Give it a try...
You might be surprised.
If anyone should have a good tweak on this...shoot
have to rethink and test some shoes --
Quote from: Tomla on December 01, 2015, 03:07:09 PM
have to rethink and test some shoes --
Hey Tom,
Just know it's not a sit down and leave in 30min strategy. It takes time. But it surely makes a whole lot of money. Today it made +/- 1300€. That's why I think most people not gonna play it. On the other hand, 2 sessions a week is more than enough.
What are the drawdowns like?
What is the biggest drawdown you have experienced?
The biggest DD is my daily br. 1000units/€
The average DD is 150-400.
Most of the time a daily br of 500 should be enough. But I use 1000.
I never saw 2 sessions lose in a row. Probably cuz it always balanced out on 1000spins/hands. And if it not balances out then the next 1000 hit a loooot of streaks. So we might could double are stakes. But this I need to test further.
how much is the min per bet?
Min 2 units
:stress: :stress: :stress:
minimums here are:
rapid bac : $10
table bac: $25, $50, $100, $150, $250, $500 I've yet to see $1000
Quote from: marvin on December 02, 2015, 09:36:36 AM
:stress: :stress: :stress:
minimums here are:
rapid bac : $10
table bac: $25, $50, $100, $150, $250, $500 I've yet to see $1000
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought in my parlay. The land casino's is also 10 minimum to 1000. Or vip 10 to 2000.
I always play live online. It goes much faster and minimum is 1 -1000 or vip 2-2000-2500. Up to each casino. And it's the only way I can play bacc
Over 1000 views but almost no comments :'(
I'll better leave it.
Thx for the few who showed interest ^-^
Most cats are gonna tune out cuz yer talking about a serious large bankroll proposition, hey hey.
Quote from: Denzie on December 02, 2015, 07:21:17 PM
Over 1000 views but almost no comments :'(
I'll better leave it.
Thx for the few who showed interest ^-^
Ok I understand. But you cannot play with 100u and expect to win 1000. You need some br to gamble.
They can use it on roulette with 0,1u and 100u br. Or on bacc if there's a site that provides that. I not find one though.
Anyway good luck to all
Do you play against live dealer or RNG?
Profits sound excellent though i struggle to see where they would be coming from if the streaks are only hitting as expected- maybe something to do with the invest streaks..?
Quote from: Matt on December 02, 2015, 08:15:32 PM
Do you play against live dealer or RNG?
Profits sound excellent though i struggle to see where they would be coming from if the streaks are only hitting as expected- maybe something to do with the invest streaks..?
Live dealer only. I don't trust RNG. Although it won there too.
Yep it's coz of the invest streaks. That's reason nr 1.
The straight streaks are not that common .
Hi Denzie,
Could you please explain your method more in details ? I'm interested and I would like to test it.
thank you
Quote from: ales0690 on December 02, 2015, 08:44:09 PM
Hi Denzie,
Could you please explain your method more in details ? I'm interested and I would like to test it.
thank you
Hi Denzie,
If you can also explain in detail about your method of play. I'm quite confused.
Thanks.
Uhm not sure how I can explain it better. So we are going for a streak of PPPPPPPPPP or BBBBBBBBB. But as we know it doesn't happen much. Mostly it gets interrupted. Those interruptions we invest from our own br. Just a few rules. Before we start to invest we need minimum 2hits. If not we reset. Also 32 units is our highest invest. Anything more we reset. Reset means back to 2 units on the other side. Never invest 2 times in a row. We use a positive progression (parlay). 2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512. Why we start at 2u instead of 1? Cuz we always miss our first bet. If we play both sides at the same time then we would start at 1u.
B 2
P 2 we not invest. Need 2hits first
B 2
B 4
P 8 miss but we got our 2 hits so we invest
P 2 another miss. We never invest 2 times in a row!
P 4
P 8
B 16 miss but we invest
P 32
P 64
P 128
P 256
P 512
B 2
B 4
P 8 miss but got 2hits so invest
B 16
P 32 miss but invest cuz it's not 2 times in a row and it's still within our limit of 32u. (Is only situation where we can invest 2 times in a streak !!
B 64
B 128
B 256
B 512
I am a little confused aswell
Hand1 W 2
Hand2 W4
Hand3 L8 -so would this mean i need to invest for next hand?
Hand4 w16 (invested)
Hand5 l32 - would this mean invest for next hand though wouldn't i require 64 units bet to continue??
Also when playing with baccarat do you cover the banker commissions out of your own bankroll?
Hand 1 we win 4 units!
B here we just lost out streak b4.
P 2 if win we got 4 units
P 4
P 8
B 16 lost the bet b4 so here we invest. You got that correct
P 32
B reset
B 2 ....U see we cannot bet 1u as we are playing on P . So we start on 2u. If we would play both sides then we would play first hand with 1u.
No I not cover that %
hey denzie can you tell me if it's correct ?
First bet on P 2 units
P Win bet 4
P Win bet 8
P Win bet 16
P Win bet 32
B Loss Reset we don't invest higher than 32 from our own BR //// bet 2 on B
B Win bet 4
B Win bet 8
P Loss bet 16 (since we have 2 hits)
B Win bet 32
B Win bet 64
P Loss Reset bet 2 on P
B Loss bet 2 on P again because we need 2 hits
P Win bet 4
B Loss and reset because we don't have 2 hits on P bet 2 on B
P Loss Reset bet 2 on P
P Win bet 4 on P
P Win bet 8
P Win bet 16
P win bet 32
P win bet 64
P win bet 128
P win bet 256
P win
Oh no I saw I mistake. ...one moment
Quote from: ales0690 on December 03, 2015, 05:41:12 PM
hey denzie can you tell me if it's correct ?
First bet on P 2 units
P Win bet 4
P Win bet 8
P Win bet 16
P Win bet 32
B Loss Reset we don't invest higher than 32 from our own BR //// bet 2 on B
B Win bet 4
B Win bet 8
P Loss bet 16 (since we have 2 hits)
B Win bet 32
B Win bet 64
P Loss Reset bet 2 on P
B Loss bet 2 on P again because we need 2 hits SHOULDNT THIS BE BET 2 ON B HERE?
P Win bet 4
B Loss and reset because we don't have 2 hits on P bet 2 on B
P Loss Reset bet 2 on P
P Win bet 4 on P
P Win bet 8
P Win bet 16
P win bet 32
P win bet 64
P win bet 128
P win bet 256
P win
Big EZ your correct
Quote from: ales0690 on December 03, 2015, 05:41:12 PM
hey denzie can you tell me if it's correct ?
First bet on P 2 units
P Win bet 4
P Win bet 8
P Win bet 16
P Win bet 32
B Loss Reset we don't invest higher than 32 from our own BR //// bet 2 on B
B Win bet 4
B Win bet 8
P Loss bet 16 (since we have 2 hits)
B Win bet 32
B Win bet 64
P Loss Reset bet 2 on P
B Loss Reset bet 2 on B
P loss reset bet 2 on P
B Loss Reset bet 2 on B
P loss reset bet 2 on P
P Win bet 4 on P
P Win bet 8
P Win bet 16
P win bet 32
P win bet 64
P win bet 128
P win bet 256
P win
One thing I not said clear was:
We need 2 hits before we invest.
But 1u we bet virtual(we lost on the other side)
Then when we win our 2u then we got our 2 hits.
I apologise. It's not always easy to write what we think or calculate in our head.
If you not sure about something just send the sheet like you did and I fill it in for you.
ok, thank you ! so on a "reset" you just bet the last outcome
bet P
B It's a loss bet B now
P Loss again bet P and so on ... ?
Correct :thumbsup:
Quote from: Denzie on December 03, 2015, 06:49:24 PM
One thing I not said clear was:
We need 2 hits before we invest.
But 1u we bet virtual(we lost on the other side)
Then when we win our 2u then we got our 2 hits.
.
ok so as soon as you have a win you can invest ?
bet 2 on B
B It's a win bet 4
P Loss invest and bet 8
??
Yep, you got it
Ok thank you all clear now. One last question and i m off testing. You did say stopping at 256 in the progression gives the same results that stopping at 512 in the long run ?
In my testing:
Straight streaks: 256 or 512 as last bet give almost the same results. But stopping with 256 keeps the DD lower. 512 does come out as the winner. I prefer 256
Invest streaks: same story but stopping at 128 and I didn't lost a session. I prefer 256
In short: playing for 512 gives the most profit but the DD gets higher. Even a few busts. Is up to how much you can lose. If you wanna keep it safe go for 128 on the invest.
Now I have multiple br on profit so I go for 256
2 more things. Last I promise lol.
On tie nothing happened. Place the bet again.
And sometimes your first bet is 4u. Say you play B...P comes. ..you invest and P comes again. ..you lost but we got 2x P now. So my next bet is 4u on P.
That's it. There's nothing more to it. Once you got the routine it's peanuts. And self control. You gonna reset a lot. But it pays off 8)
Hi Denzies,
1 more question please:
Supposing we are playing this method with a bot,
After a win at 256, do we reset with Last outcome or Opposite of Last outcome?
Or we go virtual 1,1 for 1 hand, and then restart with the loser?
Tks, nOrMy
We wait till it changes side and then bet 2u
P 64
P 128
P 256
P no bet
P no bet
P no bet
B 2
B 4
etc
Tks ;)
Your welcome
Just had a look at the Bac. table when i finidhed my roulette seesion,
and i see a BIG win right there.
2 units to start + a 32 invest, would have win 256 units. :o
It the best .
=================
but only for people who has
deep understanding of betting .
and patient! :whistle:
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Should keep as top secret. :nod:
Thanks Denzie.
Quote from: nOrMy2o0o on December 07, 2015, 09:34:16 PM
Just had a look at the Bac. table when i finidhed my roulette seesion,
and i see a BIG win right there.
2 units to start + a 32 invest, would have win 256 units. :o
Are you sure? I think we won a lot more . If we win step 256 = x2 = 511 - invest ^^
And a bit more on the left we won on step 128 for those who like it safe.
Yep! you are right about the (2x256)-invest,
but if you were playing for 256, you would have lost the first attack on the left. :thumbsup:
Look solid method antways! :cheer: :applause: :applause:
Look at this. :applause:
Was lucky, very fast! Made my day 8)
15 hands, +206, i stopped at 128 but next one also won, too bab for me :'((chicken ???)
I use Rx to track, Reb for Banker and Black for Player.
Cheers
Normy anyway you can make a sheet for this one for faster testings?
This is a good way to make a lot of units it just takes patience :nod: :applause:
A sheet? This only work with Steph bot...
But a bot is Thinkable ! to work 20h/day for sure) >:D
Will see...
I meant a sheet for us to test large data samples. But a bot is good too for those who are able to play online
A simple tracker would not be very usefull as it can take many shoes (hours) before something apend. 8)
This was my only test and been very lucky i guess? 8)
Quote from: nOrMy2o0o on December 09, 2015, 01:41:20 AM
A simple tracker would not be very usefull as it can take many shoes (hours) before something apend. 8)
This was my only test and been very lucky i guess? 8)
It's nice to see you got it that fast. But normally it takes a lot longer. Yesterday I've played for almost 2 hours b4 I got my first hit. Then again about 2 hours( i was still in minus here). But I know the game so relax and be patient. I got 5 more streaks after that and finished. 8)
Normy-
I am well aware of the fact it can take a long time or alot of shoes for this to appear ( I actually am playing this way in live casino)
Just wondering if a sheet could be made to make it easier to track then manual, where all calculations were made for running balance,bet amount, etc...
Could this help you to track the game?
I appreciate the effort in the chart, but I am not having trouble tracking the game. I understand fully how it works, and what bets need to be made when, and how to re-invest along the way. When I asked for a tracker, all I meant was something automated that when you enter P/B it will track the bankroll for you so you/me/denzie/anybody doesn't have to add up all the profit loss at every point.
But I still not be explaining myself correctly so an example is in order....
P 2
P 4
P 8
P 16
P 32
B -64 2 on B
B 4
B 8
P -16
B 32 (win but had to invest)
B 64
P -128 2 on P
B -2 2 on B
P -2 2 on P
B -2 2 on B
P -2 2 on P
P 4
P 8
P 16
P 32
P 64
P 128
P 256
P win
so at this point, or at any point along the way up to here, it would show the current bankroll so you can know your profit/loss at all points without having to make manual calculations.
Hope that helps clear up the confusion
Sorry, coding a tracker for this would involve too much time.
Ok not a problem.
Goes to show how much I know about coding, I thought this would be one of the easier ones that's the only reason I asked :))
Not that easy! :no:
You see the drawing i posted, i have to turn it in 1 big equation... :o
has this been tested without using 256 or 512? if so, how do the results compare?
Yes and no. Lol. Sorry.
As I play it I mostly recover without going to 256 .
Playing 128 works perfectly. This I know. (Safe way)
Stopping whenever in profit works too buuut...at some point you will have no choice than go further cuz of the DD you made. Most sessions you not need but it's that one time you have to.
Been playing it daily as in 6 days a week...the profits keep rising.
But I know. .. it ain't fun. On another note, I'm playing for money and not for my entertainment.
If 1000u is to much then find yourself a roulette wheel with 0,10-1000. Get 2 x br (200€/$/£) and go from there. Be patient till u net 2000€/£/$ and switch to bacc. In max 20days you should get it.
It's a winner.
I have a question,
If playing at a casino 10 min, what the of bank roll do you need? Also been practicing it on line and only winning 60/40. Been using 10-20-40-80-160- 320-640 progression. I do well if I stop at the 160; but if I go to 320 usually loose and only won about maybe two time at the 640. Since I now joined this site , I will post a play today and maybe you can tell me if I am playing right. I would love to play this at an actual table. Seems like fun. Table are Ten min. so I do start my progression at $10.
Quote from: Big EZ on December 09, 2015, 07:41:57 PM
I appreciate the effort in the chart, but I am not having trouble tracking the game. I understand fully how it works, and what bets need to be made when, and how to re-invest along the way. When I asked for a tracker, all I meant was something automated that when you enter P/B it will track the bankroll for you so you/me/denzie/anybody doesn't have to add up all the profit loss at every point.
But I still not be explaining myself correctly so an example is in order....
P 2
P 4
P 8
P 16
P 32
B -64 2 on B
B 4
B 8
P -16
B 32 (win but had to invest)
B 64
P -128 2 on P
B -2 2 on B
P -2 2 on P
B -2 2 on B
P -2 2 on P
P 4
P 8
P 16
P 32
P 64
P 128
P 256
P win
so at this point, or at any point along the way up to here, it would show the current bankroll so you can know your profit/loss at all points without having to make manual calculations.
Hope that helps clear up the confusion
Hi,Denzie could you check if this example played out correctly? May be I am wrong cause I got different result, thanks.
Quote from: Denzie on December 03, 2015, 08:50:11 PM
2 more things. Last I promise lol.
On tie nothing happened. Place the bet again.
And sometimes your first bet is 4u. Say you play B...P comes. ..you invest and P comes again. ..you lost but we got 2x P now. So my next bet is 4u on P.
That's it. There's nothing more to it. Once you got the routine it's peanuts. And self control. You gonna reset a lot. But it pays off 8)
Hi Denzie, could you kindly give us illustration on above quote,thanks
And also want to be make sure before I go play a local land casino that what amount of bank roll would you suggest that I should have if
min. bet is $10.00? Since your base units start with 2 units so may be $5.00/unit ??Is this about right?
Is there any loss cut?
@ppkkint,
Big EZ example is perfect.
result,bet,BR,comments
P 2p -2
P 4p
P 8p
P 16p
P 32p
B 2b -4
B 4b
B 8b
P 16b -20 (invest 16u )
B 32b
B 64b
P 2p -22
B 2b -24
P 2p -26
B 2b -28
P 2p -30
P 4p
P 8p
P 16p
P 32p
P 64p
P 128p
P 256p
P win +482
===========================
About your second question, here is a example of starting at 4 units:
result,bet,BR,comments
B 2b -2
B 4b
B 8b
B 16b
B 32b
P 2p -4
P 4p
B 8p -12 (invest 8u )
B 4b -16 <<<---- Here, lost after invest but we don't invest twice in a row, so we got BB to start a new attack
B 8b
B 16b
B 32b
B 64b
B 128b
B 256b
B win +496
Denzie will correct me if i'm wrong...
I play 2 units basebet with 1000br. So your minimum is 10u. What is your max?
Quote from: Denzie on December 12, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
I play 2 units basebet with 1000br. So your minimum is 10u. What is your max?
Mine is 50 dollars to 2000 dollars. How can I play this?
Quote from: nOrMy2o0o on December 12, 2015, 12:43:54 PM
@ppkkint,
Big EZ example is perfect.
result,bet,BR,comments
P 2p -2
P 4p
P 8p
P 16p
P 32p
B 2b -4
B 4b
B 8b
P 16b -20 (invest 16u )
B 32b
B 64b
P 2p -22
B 2b -24
P 2p -26
B 2b -28
P 2p -30
P 4p
P 8p
P 16p
P 32p
P 64p
P 128p
P 256p
P win +482
===========================
Thank you Nor for the reply!
P 2
P 4
P 8
P 16
P 32
B -64 2 on B
I got confused from Big ez's example that after 5 P Bet 32 on P and lost(caused it became B ) follow by - 64 ,actually there is no bet for 64 units,this cause me confusing.
Thanks for the your kind explanation that cleared my confusion.
Quote from: Denzie on December 12, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
I play 2 units basebet with 1000br. So your minimum is 10u. What is your max?
10 to 2000
2 = 1000 so (x500)
10 = 5000 :thumbsup:
Quote from: ppkkint on December 11, 2015, 11:13:13 PM
Hi,Denzie could you check if this example played out correctly? May be I am wrong cause I got different result, thanks.
It's correct
Quote from: marinetech on December 12, 2015, 10:30:58 PM
Mine is 50 dollars to 2000 dollars. How can I play this?
Well you cannot double so many steps. Not sure. I probably wait for BBBBB or PPPPP and start there. This really is more better for online wheel. You need to invest a lot as first bet. Don't think it's gonna work
Quote from: ppkkint on December 12, 2015, 11:01:18 PM
10 to 2000
This is possible. I would wait BBB or PPP . You can only invest one time. But it wil work for sure.
Quote from: Denzie on December 13, 2015, 08:42:06 AM
This is possible. I would wait BBB or PPP . You can only invest one time. But it wil work for sure.
Why only invest one time not two?
Sorry to bother you but can you give me some example?
hey, did some testing. doesn't look that good. got some solid profits for the first 7k spins but then can't get above 12k profit it just goes up and down for 8k spins...
was tested on a no zero roulette btw
This was not tested as Denzie play for sure! ???
The graph does not look like this at all... :nope:
You should have only few BIG wins, not a lot of small wins. 8)
I think you are being mistaken by the graph. I've had only few big wins since i was targeting for the 256 units bet win
Quote from: ales0690 on December 13, 2015, 03:13:40 PM
I think you are being mistaken by the graph. I've had only few big wins since i was targeting for the 256 units bet win
To play in a land casino with this method (min$10-max2000) Is it worth to risk 1000 units ?
Quote from: ppkkint on December 13, 2015, 09:47:26 AM
Why only invest one time not two?
Sorry to bother you but can you give me some example?
Coz you jump in later. BB P B P BBBB this is a example of a normal play starting at 2u. As you can see ...you would jump in after 3 results so there only 1 opportunity to invest. BBB P BBBBB
Quote from: ales0690 on December 13, 2015, 02:44:31 PM
hey, did some testing. doesn't look that good. got some solid profits for the first 7k spins but then can't get above 12k profit it just goes up and down for 8k spins...
was tested on a no zero roulette btw
Not so good? You still made a lot of profit without DD. But my results are a lot better than yours. But my DD is bigger too.
Are you sure you playing it correctly? (66 is really not much. Almost unbelievable )
RNG or live?
Quote from: ppkkint on December 14, 2015, 08:55:17 AM
To play in a land casino with this method (min$10-max2000) Is it worth to risk 1000 units ?
Never play with money you can't afford to lose. And pls try at home first with smaller stakes. Build up your confidence.
Is it worth it ? I would say yes. But don't forget it takes time.
Even on the graph he goes to 11k in 15000spins. But normally it should be 50% more. Hope you can play at home though.
Biggest dd is not 66 but 3916. And dd of 1000 units and more happen often.
It was RNG but no zero
And yes i m pretty sure i was playing it correctly. Not saying it s a loser need more testing like 100 k spins. Sometimes u need few thousand spins to reach a New profit
Quote from: ales0690 on December 14, 2015, 09:38:11 AM
Biggest dd is not 66 but 3916. And dd of 1000 units and more happen often.
It was RNG but no zero
ah ok it was RNG. But it still won .I'm surprised.
I always play live. But of course RNG is muuuuuch faster. For sure with the fast spins.
Would I trouble you If I ask to run some more? I'm curious how RNG ga do with this. (Just thinking out loud...0,10-1000...you can probably make a few 100 in hours...just click till your hand hurts)
Quote from: Denzie on December 14, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
ah ok it was RNG. But it still won .I'm surprised.
I always play live. But of course RNG is muuuuuch faster. For sure with the fast spins.
Would I trouble you If I ask to run some more? I'm curious how RNG ga do with this. (Just thinking out loud...0,10-1000...you can probably make a few 100 in hours...just click till your hand hurts)
If you don't mind asking how much was your biggest DD(how many shoes?) so far playing online?
I can only play in the land casino...wish I can play online
Hi All,
I finaly decide to build a tool to test this idea.
I have tested 32768 hands so far, the data is from Beat-the-wheel file posted in first page..
All test are made once stopping at 128, once at 256 and once at 512.
No Wingoal, no stoploss, no limited number of hands to play... just to see what is the best way to play it. I will try to tweak later with the above settings.
Here is what i got so far:
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At first look, i would go for the 512 big win, but as i said, this was simply playing hands after hands without any logic.
Will continu tomorrow the other half of the file... then i will chose the worst result and try to find a way to make it winning,
Cheers, Normy 8)
I'm bit surprised again. These aren't so good. Of course we would use a stop loss but ....I didn't got that bad results yet. Needs to remind me I need to be careful.
I'm curious for the rest.
I realize my yesterday test was wrong. i was testing from last to first results, so i erase every thing and re-start.
Here are final results just betting hand after hand, no logic at all:
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We can see from the stats below, that our strike rate is a bit better than inspected by our invests.
Now i will start testing with some realistic settings... :glasses:
Stats:
Original Zumma 72 days at the tables; origin and authenticity is unknown;
it is however used as a base line for testing by many.
600 shoes, 41,698 decisions.
Streak Length = Occurrences = Percentage
1's = 10297 = 24.6% of all results
2's = 10296 = 24.6%
3's = 8232 = 19.7%
4's = 5148 = 12.3%
5's = 3220 = 7.7%
6's = 1932 = 4.6%
7's = 1127 = 2.7%
8's = 648 = 1.54%
9's = 360 = 0.86%
10 = 200 = 0.479%
11 = 110 = 0.264%
12 = 60
13 = 39
14 = 14
15 = 15
It's starting to look better. Of course we use a stop loss of 1000u/1000hands
Good job Normand
Final stats...I'm going in after a 100/150 virtual down draft . This wins a lot more than just ok :thumbsup:
About 2 hours play today... made 10 steps twice :nod:
2 Happy hours!
Yes sir. After all this time I know how many 8-9-10 steps I've get on average. So if one can wait a bit then it's almost a sure thing. I know I know it sucks when you waiting and miss many opportunities. But better to wait and not lose money than to rush and lose. (Thx to PA)
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Only 1000 bucks. But some could get it for free. All up to my mood swing. Be aware it's a side system and not for the poor people. So only rich playas contact me for the the tweak of the century. Did I mention my mm is never seen before ? No ? Extra extra get your lifetime mm right here , right now.
Sorry couldn't resist. Jut joking :P
FYI I was joking . I don't sell anything. (Got some PM's)
Was referring to that d*mba$$ scammer.
And your game yesterday was kind of a Joke, also?! ;D
If you referring to Wales - Belgium. ...yep . Still quarter finals ain't that bad ;)
Yes, it's a game....
Quote from: Denzie on April 23, 2016, 11:02:07 AM
Final stats...I'm going in after a 100/150 virtual down draft . This wins a lot more than just ok :thumbsup:
Hi Denzie, Can you please explain what you mean by this 100-150 virtual drawdown?...Thanks so much.
As in 100/150 spins I couldn't make 9 or 10 steps. Does pretty good. But it's frustrating seeing many betting opportunity pass you by...
Im playing this while I watch TV. I not really count the spins. Just keep my eye on the time (spin every 40sec) and look the markee every 10 minutes. Still way up in profit. In fact it's the only thing that keeps his head above water.
Hi again, sorry but I'm still not clear on that. Are you saying that you wait until around 150 spins have passed virtual betting where you would have not been able to complete the parlay until you start betting for real money? Thanks
Good Day Denzie, Im so interested in your system. how's this holding up? thank you