I came across a benchmark session where every oldschool progression fails to perform. Check if you do have anything better: LLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWWLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLLLWLLLWLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLLLLLLLLLLWWWWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLLLWLLLWLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLWLLWLLWLLWLLLLLLLLWWWWLLLLLLLLWWWWLLLLLLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLW
I respect what you are saying. However, without seeing an actual scoreboard I get lost in W's and L's.
I have done extremely well with parlay wagering (pos progression) but I do not employ it every wagering opportunity I encounter.
Possibly you are referring to every hand wagering in a mechanical style, I don't know?
Any predefined way of playing could encounter such challenging outcomes. Do u have any MM that remains either winning or losing least(lesser than flat betting), if you encounter such wins and losses? This LW session acid tests any MM approach.
Quote from: Albalaha on March 04, 2026, 12:10:52 PMI came across a benchmark session where every oldschool progression fails to perform. Check if you do have anything better: LLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWWLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLLLWLLLWLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLLLLLLLLLLWWWWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLLLWLLLWLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLLLWLLWLLWLLWLLWLLLLLLLLWWWWLLLLLLLLWWWWLLLLLLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLW
Quote from: Albalaha on March 05, 2026, 08:28:03 AMAny predefined way of playing could encounter such challenging outcomes. Do u have any MM that remains either winning or losing least(lesser than flat betting), if you encounter such wins and losses? This LW session acid tests any MM approach.
I test it With a simple Fibonacci
-> 1 RIGHT on a Loss
-> 2 LEFT on a Win
The total balance at the end will be -7 with a base bet of 1.
Max bet was like 987 and max drawdown -2583
All this without reset on profit the bet amount so all bet are continuesly.
With resetting the bet amount it will be in profit.
Then I have other MM that can beat this string of W/L with less max drawdown and bankroll.
I do not wager every hand Albalaha. I wager 20-30 hands on a good shoe if I'm winning after the first 5-10 or so.
I employ 1/3rd-1/3rd-1/3rd when I win a couple of parlays with the win money. If I am winning, I cannot give back all of my win. If I am losing before I win, I will lose a portion of my buy-in before I stop and wait for another shoe or change tables.
Ref win. $500 wager. Win, next bet $1,000. Win next next $2,000. If I lose, I lost $500 from my risk capital of the buy-in. If I won I am up $3,500. I will then employ my 1/3rds with the $3,500 to continue.
I shoot for a few double parlay wins during a Section of a shoe. I am more successful than not in completing it. One time completing that will give me 'free' ammunition, non buy-in funds for the additional attempts. It works for me far greater than failing me.
But, I do not wager every single hand. If I play out a series of a Section, I might go down to half of my base wager for several consecutive hands as well.
I also set up wagers on Panda 8s, Fortune 7s, Blazzin 777s and Heavenly 9s for the side bets. Those have been good to me over a period of time.
max bet =987 is simply non playable in normal casinos on EC bets. what kind of resetting your ar talking about?
@alrelax,
whether you play every hand or you pause resume (start/end) by any methodology, getting such sessions are not just possible but inevitable in the long run. My question is, are you prepared for such harshness or you only wish not to face one? Parlays do not win for you, in the long run.
I pretty much explained in post #4 how I play.
I do not have any kind of mechanical or pre-planned structured betting regime. I wager a base unit (usually). Until I begin to win a few. Then I parlay 1x or 2x's as I have described numerous times.
Parlaying does work for me with my winnings. If I lose my parlay wagers, they are not from my buy-in risk capital, at least greater than my 1 unit base bet.
My buy-ins are roughly 10% of my bank roll at most. If I lose a session or two or three, no big deal. When I win, the first thing I do, is replenish my bank roll back to norm. I have also detailed that out numerous times in my MMM articles.
I am full prepared to face harsh sessions with my win money parlays, however if the session is harsh, I would have lost the session with single wagered base units anyways, IMO.
I do see your point in playing every hand, shoe after shoe. But that is not the way I play the game.
Hey Albahala, I came away with +19 units.
290 decisions
107W
183L
I made 124 bets. 54W and 70L
Max bet 7 units.
Played Labby and paused betting after 3 L's in a row and resumed betting after a WW or WLW.
P.S. I went back and read all your post on the different forums and have learned a lot. Wish you would post more often.
Hmmm, Bac2Bac, you learnt a very crucial PART OF MY STRATEGY. WE NEED TO CONTROL VARIANCE BUT VARIANCE CAN STILL HURT.
Hey Albalaha, at times it would seem that negative variance can destroy our plans at the table. Not a good feeling when the losses start adding up. That's the time to either pause betting or to bet a very small amount. Nothing wrong with abandoning play and waiting to see if positive variance shows up before betting again.I play Baccarat and often let make many hands pass before the shoe warrants betting again....Patience is a virtue and there are no guarantees and anything can happen.
I strongly believe that the rules that make up Baccarat lends itself in being the best game to implement a RTM strategy. (Fully understanding the gamblers fallacy concept)
P.S. do you have anymore very bad sessions that you could post. It would be much appreciated.
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too hard!
every variance is easy in this case is just bet 1 time after 4L in a row, problem is that we can't know in advance which W & L streak we will get
Came away with +19 units.
Total decisions= 290
Total wins= 97
Total Losses= 123
I made 123 bets with 53 wins and 70 losses
Used Labby (0,1) biggest bet=7units largest drawdown =11units
Paused betting after 3 losses in a row and resumed betting only after a W or WLW had come out.(at times 30 or more decisions had passed before a W or WLW had come out)
Quote from: Bac2Bac on March 22, 2026, 05:26:58 PMCame away with +19 units.
Total decisions= 290
Total wins= 97
Total Losses= 123
I made 123 bets with 53 wins and 70 losses
Used Labby (0,1) biggest bet=7units largest drawdown =11units
Paused betting after 3 losses in a row and resumed betting only after a W or WLW had come out.(at times 30 or more decisions had passed before a W or WLW had come out)
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With your MM / Rules, go down to -700 ammazza drawdown with this sequence of W/L, real sequence I got.
Yep.
It's 1 billion % certain that itlr any progression in the world can't overcome a negative edge, otherwise the claimer would be hired by MIT or by NASA and getting payed millions of bucks without betting (so risking) any dime at bac tables.
The only way to verify a possible advantage at a negative edge proposition is to show a strategy capable to provide an ascending profits line by flat betting and the only way to do that is by theorizing a possible unrandomness of the production and/or to demonstrate that card distributions are affected by "limits" shifting at some points the results by values overcoming the HE.
If a given flat betting strategy sucks, the same strategy applied by any kind of progression sucks even more.
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Whatswhat, that is a very difficult sequence of W/L.I would have lost 19 Units after making 8 bets and would have not made anymore bets until further virtual bets had better results.
Anyway, thanks for posting real W/L outcomes.
P.S. I haven't fully disclosed my exact MM/Rules. The simple modified Labby with pause and resume is only a small part of the strategy.
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on March 23, 2026, 02:40:17 AMYep.
It's 1 billion % certain that itlr any progression in the world can't overcome a negative edge, otherwise the claimer would be hired by MIT or by NASA and getting payed millions of bucks without betting (so risking) any dime at bac tables.
The only way to verify a possible advantage at a negative edge proposition is to show a strategy capable to provide an ascending profits line by flat betting and the only way to do that is by theorizing a possible unrandomness of the production and/or to demonstrate that card distributions are affected by "limits" shifting at some points the results by values overcoming the HE.
If a given flat betting strategy sucks, the same strategy applied by any kind of progression sucks even more.
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Everything sucks if it loses. However, it the wager won it was great, flat wagering and even more so, positive progression wagering. The same amount of negative HE exists for the player no matter what type of wager he chooses to employ.
I am a strong, aggressive positive progression wagerer. However, my progression is almost always from select (and I stress select) winnings, not attempted recouping or negative Martingales, etc., etc. My MMM controls my winnings and assures me I cannot lose all my session winnings if I follow my MMM.
My only downfall is obeying my MMM and cutting my sessions at magical times while winning or worst scenario, after getting back even.