Hi b-t-w/PA,

Quote
when, say, A hit, bet A will repeat.
win or lose=stop,
wait for new dozen,
then bet that dozen will repeat.

Well that is what I mean - I am betting for repeat doz (once only) when a new doz hits.
But in my example I showed I only start to bet when there has been 21 or less dozen series hits over the 111 spinframe.
So I think we are talking about same thing here.
Since I am always looking at the last 111 spins every spin, I check the number of doz series each time -when it is 21 or less I begin to bet for repeat and after win I do not bet again until it is 21 or less each time....

Just now I run 111 spins (random) into RXtreme.
I check the repeat dozens stats: 11 series of doz1; 3 series of doz2; and 7 series of doz3 = 21 total doz series
That means I can start betting straight away because I set my bet trigger entry point, if you remember, as 21.
First I check that the last doz was a single series - if so I can start betting for that doz to repeat.
As it happened was a 0 - so I wait for a new doz to hit.
18 = doz 2
I bet doz 2
15 = doz 2 - Bingo! It is a win +2pts.
Now I tot up to see if the 21 is still valid and if so I continue betting from the next new doz to show. If not, I sit out and monitor spins until series total drops back to 21.. etc.. etc..

Blue_Angel might be doing same thing from the off and without the wait and variance avoidance and using his cyclic 37 progressions thing?
That could be interesting too!

A.

Hi Blue_Angel,
Yes. I was aware of his Roulette30 name.

Of course you cannot rely on getting 30 occurrences exactly in 111 spins. A more realistic expected average figure might be 25 to 30 hits on total series of dozens (that's all 3 dozen series comprising a length of 2 or more...)

Do you see that ONE such way to play to advantage is to always keep an updated ROLLING HISTORY of the last 111 spin results??

This is easy in such a program like Roulette Xtreme where you can set the program to show stats from the last 111 spins only.
You can bring up the stats for dozens 1,2 and 3 and can count the total appearances of all dozen series formed of 2 or more after each spin and when you see imbalance occurring you can begin to bet.

This is what I did today and I set a LOW parameter level of 21 hits of doz series. (I play only when 21 or 22; up to you) When I saw the total was 21 or less I begin to bet for a repeat dozen immediately providing a new single dozen has just showed. I use a mild progression. (S'pose you can use the regular progression for single doz which guarantees a profit on a win).
After the win I wait until the series count is 21 or less again... might be straight away after a new doz hit or maybe have to wait until the stats show 21 again before resuming or restarting the progression. Depends what's showing in your check of the rolling last 111spins history.
If the amount of doz series goes over 21/22 threshold then it's a no bet until it drops to 21/22 again when you see the variance in your favour.
You can use this to make a few units then skedaddle.

Of course this means you have to initially track 111 spins and enter them into your tracker software (RX, in my case)
From then on you bet as and when until you've garnered some profits. I have found it's pretty safe and sensible approach.

Hope someone can see it is worth a try. I'm glad to share it - and let me know if it works for you.


Regards,
A.

PS. Keep in mind - this not suit everybody; probably only practicable for online play only. Patience and tolerance required.
Single 0 only. Play fastspin r.n.g. at your own risk!

Let's see if I can move this on a little bit into further discussion....

Suppose I imagine I have a reasonably "stable" bet selection for SINGLE DOZEN betting.

Let's say I discover that 30 (approx; give or take one or two) hits of DOZEN REPEATS will 'almost always'  inevitably occur over BEAT-THE-WHEEL/PA's suggested 111 spinframe.

Now when I find an imbalance of results taking place and I discover the repeats are "lagging behind" the singles, so to speak, I can then jump in and begin to bet for repeat to happen; and use a 'mild' progression - for surely I expect the series results to soon begin to catch up again and return to mean..
So, when IS best time to begin to bet to capture the dozen series? And also importantly WHEN TO STOP betting for the repeat dozens??
Stands to reason I'm going to have to monitor the past+incoming results first and be tolerant and patient whilst awaiting for the optimum "window" of best opportunity to arise. I can then step in and capitalize on the imbalance until a predetermined signal to stop, then I can simply hold off and wait for the next opportunity to arise before stepping in to resume betting again...

I just tried a such a session in RouletteXtreme software with real casino spinfile [using my personal stop/start parameters] and stopped at a profit of +12. This was achieved without any large drawdown or high staking. What's more I kind of "knew" and fully expected I was going to win too.

There will be other ways and other bets to do same thing. I happen to like single doz betting.

A.

PS. Here is a demo-clip of using the repeat doz using b-t-w principles from a few months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBXmigUliy0

I do believe these "stable bets" exist.

If you look at stats for appearance or formation of certain "sequence" say, in EC or dozen you can see them occur within the realm of consistency and constancy - however, that not to say there may be the odd "horrible event" that might occur against all avg % expectation- but that is why important to have a cut-loss proviso in your HG strategy...

Hi PA - and I am glad you resurrect this topic here - maybe more will join in, enjoy, understand and benefit this time around- and I agree keep it friendly folks; we are all here to learn.
PA/BEAT-THE-WHEEL has unusual way of explaining things and often can be  slightly cryptic; this so that you come to your own realisation of the truth of his pronouncements; I implore him to try and write in simple language and provide step by step instructions with clear examples to demonstrate his points and ideas. Thx.

A.

Hi,

More cautious players might prefer or think of employing the "gr8player" progression.
I am against marti - with gr8player it take a bit longer time to realize significant profits, but of course it's less dangerous.
Or again there's the "breadwinner" prog...
Interesting variant idea by RouletteGhost.
Do NOT think this will work well if adapted to baccarat, I'm afraid.

A.

PS. Works well for me and faster in r.n.g. too - where I only use low 0.10u stakes. (betfair)
UPDATE: 3 winning sessions of +5 today using "Contrasting Couplets" on live autowheel with la partage and fastspin RNG. Easy enough and highest bet only 2u.
Sometimes I wonder why I knock myself out with interpreting other involved complex EC "marches" and so on when it just seems so easy to win using something as simple as my CC method...

CONTRASTING COUPLETS  (EC bet)
=======================
(Revised Version)

I suggest play on nozero or single 0 with "le partage" rule.

Record results in lines of 4 made up of 2 alternating EC types.

I'm using H/L and O/E alternated.

For example the spun numbers 17, 11, 3, 32 are recorded on a line as:
LOLE (Low Odd Low Even)

For example the spun numbers 22, 9, 3, 14 are recorded on a line as:
HOLE (High Odd Low Even)

It's simple: Play an alternating pattern of "Opposite-Same-Opposite-Same" (O

-S-O-S) and "Same-Opposite-Same-Opposite" (S-O-S-O) according to

whatever the results are on the PREVIOUS VERTICAL line in the respective

column (1-4).

Switch the patterns after each line of 4 results.

Start recording the EC and LW Registry results for O-S-O-S first and then

switch to S-O-S-O and alternate throughout. (see examples)

Playing and betting rules:
================

Use trigger LLL (3 consecutive L's) then bet up to TWICE ONLY only for a win.
Use 1-2 progression cycle. Stop at a WIN or after two L's in a row.

I only play twice for a 'w' after the trigger. If lose I wait for the "w" to occur and

also wait for the next trigger to form. (LLL)

Another progression idea would be to increase by 0.5 after each loss...

For example: 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4.....etc...

If still behind after a win; reduce next bet by 0.5 and commence from that point

in the progression (go back one in the progression string and start next bet

from there)
If level or ahead on pts then restart from scratch.

Example Session 1:

HOLO first line results
LEHE (OSOS)  wlwl       
HOHE (SOSO)  lwwl     
LEHE (OSOS)  wllw     
HOLE (SOSO)  lwwl       
LEHE (OSOS)  wlww     
HOLE (SOSO)  lwll         
HOHE (OSOS) lwww        +1
HOHE (SOSO) wlwl       
HEHE  (OSOS) lllw           +2
HOLE  (SOSO) wwll     
HOLO  (OSOS) lwll           +3
HOLO  (SOSO) wlwl       
HELO  (OSOS) lllw           +4
LOLE   (SOSO) lwww     
LELO   (OSOS) llll         
LOLE   (SOSO) wwww     +5
LOLE   (OSOS) lwlw       
HEHE  (SOSO) lwll         
LEHE   (OSOS) wwlw     
LEHE   (SOSO) wlwl       
HOHO  (OSOS) wlll         
HEHE  (SOSO)  wwww    +6     
LOHE  (OSOS)  wllw   
   
+6 profit playing 1-2 then repeat....

Example Session 2:

HOLO
LELE  (OSOS) WLLL       
LOLE  (SOSO) WWWL      +1
LELE  (OSOS) LLLW         +2
LELE  (SOSO) WLWL     
HOLE  (OSOS) WLLL       
HOLE (SOSO)  WLWL      +3
HOLE (OSOS) LWLW       
HELO (SOSO) WWWW   
HELO (OSOS) LWLW     
HELO (SOSO) WLWL     
HOLE (OSOS) LLLW         +4
HOLE (SOSO) WLWL       
LELE  (OSOS) WLLW     
HEHO (SOSO) LLLW        +5
HEHO (OSOS) LWLW     
LEHO (SOSO) LLWL       
HOLE (OSOS) WLWL     
LOHE (SOSO) LLLL         
HOHE (OSOS) WWLW     +6
HOHO (SOSO) WLWW   
LOHO (OSOS) WWLW     
LELO (SOSO) WWLL       
HELE (OSOS) WWLL     
LOLO (SOSO) LWWW      +7
LOLE (OSOS) LWLL       
HELE (SOSO) LWWL       +8
HEHO (OSOS) LWWL     
LOLO (SOSO) LWLL       
LEHE (OSOS) LLWL         +9
LOHE (SOSO) WWWL   
LOHO (OSOS) LWLL       
LEHE (SOSO) WWWW   
HELO (OSOS) WWWL     
LELO (SOSO) LLWL         +10
HOLE (OSOS) WLLL       
LEHO (SOSO) LWLW       +11
LOLO (OSOS) LLWW       
LOLO (SOSO) WLWL
     
+11 profit playing 1-2 then repeat....


Cheers,
A

Hi Blue_Angel,

Quite interesting and thanks for sharing this.
Any good selection criteria - and including your own - then this could be an answer. 

A.

Hi BigEZ,

Yes- you're right... He does mention wait for VIRTUAL win after 2 L's before restarting!!
How odd - I don't remember that at all.
And yet that example you quoted is the ONLY time he employs it -  throughout all later examples he doesn't do that!
Also, he never picked me up on that on my posted examples... So maybe he dropped the virtual thing after all?!
Anyway - not a bad idea. It will certainly affect the result of the second march used on those results you posted earlier, won't it?
B-T-W doesn't employ it in his way either - maybe a similar rule should be applied to that too though? Wot U think?

A.

Sputnik gone very quiet just of late.
Perhaps he is working hard still on the "waves" idea?
I still do not understand that one yet! 

A.

Just out of interest here is BigEZ result using the Sputnik Second March way:

P
B
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
B
B L-1
B w+1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
P L-1

11 won
16 lost
-5 flat.

A.

Quote from: Gambler on February 22, 2016, 03:45:29 PM
This looks like a horrible shoe...when we see that we are going down by -2 to -3 straight away, i would suggest better STOP playing the shoe, else it will be hard to recover back.

Yes. I wonder if it is better on roulette? It's just, I mean the cards are shuffled and then they remain in a fixed state or sequence thereafter until the next shuffle; whereas each roulette wheelspin is an independent event and the upcoming result is not already set or predetermined like in the stack of cards that sit motionless and unaltered in the shoe.

I can't believe I just wrote that   

A.

Hi BigEZ,

I think this right:

P
B
P
P
B
P
P L-1 stop
P
P
P
P
P
B
P
P L-1 stop
P
P
P
B
B
B
P
B
B L-1 stop
P
P
B
P
P L-1 stop
B
P
B w+1
B L-1 stop
B
P
B
B L-1 stop
P
B
B L-1 stop
B
P
P

-6 flat.

Unlucky but maybe due for reversal of fortune?

As Gambler remarked a mild progression will be required at times:
gr8player
best of 5
penthouse
progressive cycles
some GLC ideas I cannot just think of right now...

Someone may care to share a good idea for staking plan that will suit this.

A.

Quote from: Gambler on February 22, 2016, 03:17:11 PM
Atlantis - The most important way to capture single as per BTW is to bet after 2 chops...BP-> B, after 12, 13 series.

But i see in one of your exaples you didn't follow this way

Agreed. I probably make mistake.

A.

Hi roulettefan,

Yes - that is the one. Thanks for reposting it. That does clear it up and answer my question then.
I checked it again and I am right. My example DOES adhere to same rules and match beat-the-wheel's way and does not include the extra betting that plolp showed/did...
The question remains as to why B-T-W deleted it - and at the moment we can only speculate....

Regards,
A.

Quote from: plolp on February 22, 2016, 12:08:05 AM
I take the same example

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1  STOP ____________________________last 2 events are 1-3 so bet b
b____________________________________________________________W
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2_________________________W
r - L-1 STOP____________________________________________________L stop
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1   STOP

Hi plolp,

Yes- I have played that way also with success. But out of the two ways which of them is the right one? - and does it matter anyway?
We need beat-the-wheel to come on and give his view. Also I would value Sputnik opinion on the correct way.
My feeling is that the way I interpreted it from beat-the-wheel's now deleted example IS the right one. (The example he deleted in reply#129) I took care and spent time over that when I made the example in my reply#134 on page 9. But we'll only know for sure when he himself verifies it as being correct.

Thanks,
A.