Quote from: Tomla on February 21, 2016, 08:47:13 PM
I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series

series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP

------

r
r
b                                                           ([atlantis-wouldn't the last two series  be a 3  and a 3 requiring a bet for b here?)
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1

Hi tomla,

It was two different examples I was showing there tomla - they were separate session unconnected "snippets"!
(I've now made that clear in the post)
But if they had been consecutive results then you are right the last 2 series would have been 3-3 - so you would need to go further back to get an earlier different series, which in that case would have been series 2; so you would arrive at 3-2.

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1  STOP
b
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2
r - L-1 STOP
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1   STOP

Hope this helps,
A.                                           

Hi,

For clarification I wish BEAT-THE-WHEEL would come back on...
As BigEZ reports he has now deleted his example from this thread (WHY, I wonder??) and not as yet answered my request for confirmation on my example.

Basically method is same as Sputnik's second march detailed earlier with the modifications I showed in my last 2 examples
(follow the chop after a complete fully formed single series until loss then stop + bet against "series of one" ONE TIME ONLY if last two complete series were 2 and 3 in any order)

I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series

series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak

example1
-----------
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP

example 2
------------
r
r
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1
r - w+1
r - L-1  STOP
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet against series of 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP
r
r
r
b - last 2 series were 3 and 2 so bet against series of 1
b - w+1 STOP

A.

PS. Forgot to say after a STOP I wait for next SERIES to completely form before making decision by looking at last 2 complete series!

PPS. When I say "last 2 series" I mean the last 2 different complete series recorded in the history... You may have to go further back than the actual last 2 series (if they are the same) to get the 2 different series required.
For instance even if the last 5 series were 2-2-2-2-3 then the "last 2 series" are 2 and 3 so you look to bet AGAINST series 1 forming...

I agree with asymbacguy's comments.

@Gambler,

I flatbet the results you gave...


  B
  P
  B
  B
  B
  P
  B
  B lose-stop       -1
  P
  P
  P
  B
  B win-stop      +0*
  B
  B
  B
  P
  P win-stop       +1*
  B
  B win-stop       +2*
  P
  P win-stop       +3*
  B
  P lose-stop        +2
  P
  B
  B
  B
  P
  B lose-stop       +1
  P
  B win               +2
  P win               +3*
  P lose-stop       +2
  B
  P
  P lose-stop       +1
  B
  B
  B
  B
  P
  B lose-stop       +0
  B
  P
  P
  P
  B
  P lose-stop       -1
  P
  P
  P
  B
  P
  P lose-stop        -2
  B
  B
  P
  P
  B
  B
  B
  B
  P
  P win-stop         -1
  B
  P
  B last series was 2-1 followed by 2 chops (singles) so next bet would be = Player


A.

Beat-The-Wheel wrote:
"A way to bet the single and avoid the series 2 & 3!"

if I am correct and we follow Sputnik idea of betting FOR the last 2 series that have formed to continue then it appears the logical rules would be these:

Record the EC series as they happen (1, 2 or 3)

Bet FOR THE SINGLE SERIES to continue after TWO chops eg: RB or BR  - and only if last two series fully formed were 1 and 3 or 1 and 2. (in any order)
If win - continue betting for the chop (single) until a LOSS
If lose - STOP BETTING

AND

Bet AGAINST THE SINGLE SERIES for ONE TIME only - but only if the last two fully formed series were 2 and 3. (in any order)
Stop betting whether win or lose.

@X = bet against seriesX (either 1, 2 or 3)

  B
2B 
1R   
1B                        @3
1R     win              @3      +1
  B     win              @3      +2
  B     lose=stop               +1   
  B
3B 
  R
2R 
  B                        @1                     
2B     win=stop                +2
1R     
1B                        @3
  R     win             @3       +3
2R     lose=stop               +2
1B     
1R                        @3
  B     win             @3       +3
2B    lose=stop                +2
1R     
1B                       @3
   R    win              @3       +3
   R    lose=stop               +2
   R
   R
   R
   R
   R
3R 
   B
   B
3B
1R   
1B                       @2
1R   win               @2       +3
   B   win               @2       +4
2B   lose=stop                 +3
1R   
1B                       @3
1R   win              @3        +4
1B   win              @3        +5
1R   win              @3        +6
   B   win              @3        +7
2B   lose=stop                 +6
   R
   R
3R
   B                       @1
   B  win=stop                  +7
3B
   R
   R
   R
   R
3R 
   B   
2B
   R                      @1
   R   win=stop                +8
   R
3R
   B                      @1
   B   win=stop                +9
3B 
1R                      @1
   B                      @2
2B   lose=stop               +8           
   R   

This is nice and also working well for me. My target per game is +3u to +5u profit.
Flat betting, sometimes use mild progression. 

Have fun,
Atlantis.   

beat-the-wheel wrote:

"Thus I discover a way to bet the single and avoid the series 2 & 3!"

Quote from: Atlantis on February 15, 2016, 03:53:12 PM

R
R
R
R
R
R
R
B
R   
B w
R w
B w
B L 
B
R
B 
R w
B w
B L
R
R
B
B   
B
R       
R w 
B
B w
R 
B
R w
R L
R
B           
R
B w 
B L
B
R           
R
R
B
R
B w
B L
B
R

Hi PA/beat-the-wheel,

Please let me know if I understand your idea correctly with the above example session on roulette red/black...

A.

Hi Gambler,

Sorry to hear that.
Which way did you try? Sputnik's March 1,2 or 3?
Or did you try BEAT-THE-WHEEL'S way?

I am not sure of how to play the third march;  am waiting to hear from BEAT-THE-WHEEL/PA. to tell me about his idea with  my example I showed a few posts back... I am playing cautiously and winning with the second march!

A.

Hi Betjack,

Think of it like this below (Sputnik writes 'dozens' but means 'series')

Singles is series 1
Two repeats in a row is series 2
Three or higher the same in a row is series 3

R
R
R

B Now we bet that series 3 will repeat so we get the beginning of the series formation 3-3-3 or 3-3-1 or 3-3-2

R We lose and now have 3-1; we bet we will get a single so we get the dozen formation 3-1-1

R We lose and now we bet we will get a series or three with the series formation of 3-1-3

B We lose and now we got three unique events with the series formation 3-1-2

This means that the clustering with even money and series formation gives us the odds of 5/1.

We aim for two events to repeat out of three possibilities with the odds 1 in 3.


A.

Hi PA/beat-the-wheel,

Please let me know if I understand your idea correctly with this example session on roulette red/black...


R
R
R
R
R
R
R
B
R   
B w
R w
B w
B L 
B
R
B 
R w
B w
B L
R
R
B
B   
B
R       
R w 
B
B w
R 
B
R w
R L
R
B           
R
B w 
B L
B
R           
R
R
B
R
B w
B L
B
R


Thanks,
A.

Hi b-t-w/PA.

Seems good idea too !

A.

Hi Sputnik,

How did your test go? Like betjack I am looking forward to details of the new march idea and the video of it in operation.
btw, The second march is still going well for me.   

A.

Quote from: bean88188 on February 08, 2016, 03:19:25 PM
Hi Atlantis . Great explanation about how to play Sputniks march. Can you please explain how you get the red highlighted line above. If you were playing to bet against the single would it be r instead of  b. Can you explain why you went B. Thanks

Quite right. Sorry for confusion. My recording error.... IMHO it should actually be a "NO BET" because you're betting with the previous 2 completed series which are series of 2 and series of 3 so you therefore must bet against it being a single 1... HOWEVER, a SERIES OF TWO reds has ALREADY formed so the next established series which will occur CANNOT EVER BE a single! (must be a 2, 3  or 3+)
What I have been doing in this instance is HOLD ON and WAIT FOR A CHANGE OF COLOUR.

(Btw, this is the only other instance of when I decide to wait and don't bet - the first is when I get a series of 3/3+ - as shown in the examples by Sputnik and myself with this second march)

I have 14/14 winning sessions now

A.

Quote from: RouletteFan on February 06, 2016, 11:40:46 PM
@Atlantis

Can you explain how you have understand this march ?

and how you play it at the casino ?

despite of those 4 pages forum

many person here are still lost and they can't participate to this discussion

thank

I will try for you  - (and ask Sputnik to confirm if right)

R

R

R

R

R

R

R

B

Sputnik says 1st bet we always follow previous series to repeat. It was a 3 or 3+ -  so bet B to form series of 3

R  L  -1

From now on we start looking at last two completed series formed(3 and 1) and bet against series of 2 forming eg: B

B W +0

Last two completed series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against series of 2 forming eg: R

R  W +1

Last two complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) again eg: B

B  W +2

Last two complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) again eg: B

B   L +1

Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Previous 2 complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) happening - so we bet for treble to occur by betting for repeat of:  B

B  W +2

We won  - now wait for B run to end and a change to occur first before continuing...

R

Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now restart by placing bet against double (2) occurring eg: B

B W +3

Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: R

R W +4 

Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: B

B W +5 

Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: B

B L +4 

Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two established series already formed are 3 and 1 so now restart by placing bet against double (2) occurring eg: B 

R L +3   

Red appeared and caused the formation of a double and a loss.
Last two complete series are now 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble (series of 3) by betting: B

R L +2   

Red has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two series completely formed are still 2 and 1 so now bet against treble (3) occurring eg: B

B W +3 

Last two recorded complete series are 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble formation (3) by betting: R

B L +2   

Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two complete series are 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble (3) by betting: R

B L +1   

The treble formed and we lost - so wait for B run to end and a new change to occur...

R       

Now the Last two completed series are 2 and 3 so now bet against a Single (1) by betting for repeat of: R

R W +2 

the Last two completed series are 2 and 3 so now bet against a single (1) by betting B

B W+3

2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single eg: B   

B W +4

2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single (1) eg: B

R  L +3
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single (1) eg: B

B L +2

1 and 2 are shown to have previously formed so now bet against a treble (3) eg: R

R W +3 

Won - same thing 1 and 2 so now bet against a treble by betting eg: B

R L +2

Lost. 1 and 2 still qualify so now bet against a treble (3) eg: B

R L +1

The treble happened so we wait now to see when run ends for R. Wait for change to happen.

B           

1 and 2 series were last to completely form therefore bet against series of 3. Bet R

R W +2 

1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet B

B W +3 

1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet R

B L +2   

1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet B

B W +3

Won because a B hit 3 times. Now wait for change of colour. 

R           

Last 2 series to form were 3 and 1 - so bet against series of 2 to happen (2). Bet B

R L +2

Last 2 series to form were 3 and 1 - so bet against series of 2 to completely form (2). Bet R to continue...

R W +3 

Won - so wait for series 3/3+ to end before next bet

B

Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R       

R W +4

Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R   

B W +5

Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R 

B L +4

Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: B

B W +5

wait for B run to end..

R

Last 2 series are 3 and 1 - bet against 2 by placing bet on B

ETC.........

A.

Hi sputnik,

OK. Thx very much for explanation and your examples.
I have now played 3 real money sessions in online casino - (low stake live autowheel + le partage returns for 0)
I am +9u profit (3x3u)
Flat bet with mild progression.
Easy to play once you understand it...
It's a nice method - so far!   

A.

Hi Sputnik and others,

Just to clear things up. How would you play this sequence of R/B results?

Start of sequence

b=black
r=red

b
b
b
r
r
r
r
b
r
r
b
r
b
r
r
r
0 (zero)
b
b
b
r
b
r
r
b

end of sequence.

Thanks,
A.

I like it Sputnik!

Surely this cries out for a 'bot' or sheet to be made. It could be programmed to show when and what to bet and how much to stake. Would be less stressful and help to prevent visual mistakes and human error...

A.