The first one was on Banker. I don't bet the Banker Dragon bonus at all, so don't notice them much but a nice Asian lady was on it and her screams of joy brought it to my attention. 

The following two Dragons were on Player, within about 10 decisions or less of each other. Both times I had a Banker bet out and nothing on the Player Bonus. Tried not to let it get to me the first time. I usually always hedge my Banker bet with a Player Bonus equal to half my Banker bet. The second time took a great deal of effort to ignore. The same nice Asian lady hit both of them too. She was having a good night.

After the first DB, the dealer remarks about how there were two in one shoe the night prior. And then shortly there after this shoe produced three!

All three of them came very early in the shoe. Against the odds I'm going to say, as there is a card counting method for gaining an advantage on the Player DB. And like BJ, the advantage play comes late in the shoe.

Been reading through the entire board backwards from page 6. Came across this old thread and wanted to comment because I am familiar with the method.
 
It is quite simply nothing more than utilizing the bet selection of FLD on both Banker and Player. Using a positive progression of 1 2 1 2 3 4 5 .....

There is no reason or advantage to play this with a partner. In fact, as mentioned earlier in the thread it only accumulates more money lost to commission. You will not miss out on any runs or bust your BR any sooner without a partner.

Just subtract the the value of your partners bet from your bet. I think I came across someone a few years ago calling this differential betting. I could be wrong about that, my memory isn't what it used to be.

Decision   Banker bet  Player bet

B               no bet          no bet
P               -25               nb
P               nb                 +25
P               nb                 +50
B               nb                 -25
B               +25               nb
P               -50                nb
B                nb                -25
P                -25                nb
P                 nb                +25
P                nb                 +50
B                 nb                -25
B                 +25              nb
B                +50                nb
B                 +25               nb
B                +50                nb
B                +75                nb
P                -100               nb
B                 nb                 -25
B                 +25                nb
_______________________
                 +75                 +50       = 125 same as above, without the added loss of commission on unnecessary bets on Banker

Jimske,

The commonly heard statement and widespread belief is that you cannot find a bet selection that wins more than it loses in the long run. And the opposite also being true that you cannot find a bet selection that loses more often than it wins.

The follow up statement and belief is that no money management scheme of manipulating bet sizes can overcome the house edge. MM schemes being up as you win, up as you lose, Lab, Fibo, reverse Lab, any kind of marty, positive progs. Also things like Star and Mongoose and other complicated systems that use a combination of parlays, flat bets, and neg progs.

It's not my personal definition of MM. It is what MM is.

Bet selection is self explanatory. Using triggers to bet and not to bet is part of the selection. Using a stop loss after two losses, and a stop win after 2 wins does indeed appear as if you are managing your money. And you are managing your money. But it is not the same as what is considered MM. It's a confusing bit of redundant terminology meaning two different things.

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" The reason I am getting over 3 units net a shoe with a mechanical method of play is not, IMO, because the placement wins but because I play a tight game and have strict win/loss stops.  I call this money management.  But . . . who knows - maybe it is a winning mechanical placement.  I got no way of determining that"

It is indeed because of your placement. Your placement is winning. Employing a very smart and conservative stop loss and stop win is actually you managing your bet selection. Not your money. I'm not trying to split hairs here. I'm trying to get us on the same track. It is indeed a "winning mechanical placement". ( with a complicated set of rules difficult to program, which does not mean it isn't mechanical)

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" You see I believe that within a finite subset there is a point where the trued odds of gaining wins or reducing losses becomes worse.  I base this on guesstimates from a curve.  Wins and losses outside of the bulk are rare so stopping at a win after say, two losses and fail OR stopping after a loss after say, two more tries and fail it's time to quit."

Not sure if I understand this completely. But it is the brilliant part of your bet selection. Sounds like after you experience successful wins you do not continue on betting blindly until you hit losses. But after X amount of wins you stop and quit betting waiting for those losses to occur. Because you know your bet selection isn't likely to keep on winning? And after X amount of losses you stop and wait for a win?  Because you know those losses can't keep on losing?

If you are flat betting this and you say that your bet amount is fixed. Then it is your selection that is winning, which is fantastic. It has everything to do with your strict stop loss and stop win rules. Which, (I'm going to reiterate) is you managing your bet selection, not you employing an MM scheme.

As for progs attempting to break up LIAR, and my statement that Progs try to overcome LIAR. I am actually trying to say something entirely different. I take the meaning of breaking up LIAR meaning that 9liar now becomes 4 liar and 5 liar. Progressions don't do that, they are just bet size manipulations hoping to ride over those strings of losses and end up with a profit with the inevitable W at the end.

As for that whole thing I said about progs and wrenches in gears. I should have left all that out. I was in complete agreement with you. Was unnecessary to word it all up differently.

Again, I fear I may be coming off argumentative. But I'm on your side here. I'm rooting for you so to speak. What you claim to have done is success. I'm not doubting your claim, nor will I harass your for your bet selection. But I want to be absolutely clear. Your statement that since you can and you are winning it flat betting, netting 3u per shoe, that you should be able to utilize a progression for greater returns is absolutely false.

I have no clue who you are, but I still don't want to see you ruin yourself with a progression. Success with a progression is determined by the configuration of your win loss string. Most importantly the losses. If you do not know with absolute certainty the limits of your possible losses in relation to your wins then you will not be able to build the proper progression. Which is now a proper MM scheme. Any MM you choose to use without knowing exactly the limits of your W/L ratio over X amount of bets is a stab in the dark. A guess. And in the end a gamble.

Don't do it man. If what you say is true, you've got this beat. Just flat bet and win. Gradually build up your BR and then increase your unit sizes if you want a larger return.

Trending, to me means watching a shoe develop and then labeling it as a choppy or streaky shoe before the shoe has ended. Intentionally predicting its configuration.

I'm not using balance or unbalance to determine the bias of a shoe. I'm betting that every shoe is balanced. That there is not going to be any trend regardless of how it begins. And lets not call a lack of a trend, a trend in itself. That'll be just too confusing.

I consider bias, or variance to be any bet selection out performing its counterpart. I don't quite follow your meaning about bias being about average run lengths and their distribution.


You asked if you should flat bet or use a progression. Because your strike rate is above 50%. You've already got the game 'knocked'. I don't know how you are doing this. I would expect you to know. I offered two options, however I urged you to flat bet it. I am a bit confused with your response that you believe your strike rate would fall back to its expect value without MM. Winning over half of your bets has nothing to do with the size of your bets.

MM doesn't control variance, it tries to overcome variance. MM is all about manipulating the size of your bets.
Employing a stop loss is a function of your bet selection, using a trigger to start and stop isn't related to money management. It is however an attempt to control variance.

Yes, I agree most progs cause a wrench in the gears. Where you must reset and accept some heavy losses, only to be found betting small when the corresponding wins come in. Somehow you have to keep track of all of that, hope to build a reserve in time to catch another corresponding set of wins with those same size units you lost. And that's where the math guys will come in and say you will guess that right half the time and guess it wrong half the time. Equaling out to a net gain of zero - the house edge on all your action.

Leave it to a bunch of mathematicians to ruin gambling. They take the fun out of everything.

Stretching a prog out doesn't attempt to break up LIAR, it attempts to overcome them. LIAR being the representative of variance going against you.

It's one of the most attractive things about a lab. It can be resolved with (for instance) a 40% win rate. Which leaves you an extra 10% win rate owed to you. We are supposed to win a minimum of half our bets, at least eventually. According to the same math guys. This extra 10% can be utilized closing up more neg progs, or locking up units flat betting. Just so long as you didn't get an advance on your win percentage sometime in the past you weren't aware of.

Some of this may seem contrary. But its not my intention. I don't think we are quite seeing eye to eye, and some terminology is confusing with its redundancy.

Quote from: gr8player on June 17, 2015, 11:59:58 AM
Variance.  It can be a "bitch" to the uninitiated.  The knowledgeable player, on the other hand, can "play it like a fiddle".

It is a fact that I could post a bet selection process that CANNOT lose 60 of 100 bets, if played exactly as I play it.  I will tell you that the process is concentrated onto only the first two lines of your horizontal Bac scorecard.  And I will tell you that to see your strike rate fall to 40% would be a virtual impossibility with this mode of play.  'nuff said 'bout that...

GR8,

"Variance. It can be a bitch." is all you had to say.
That's it.
Quoting me directly and ending that sentence with "to the uninitiated" is an insult. Passive? sure, subtle? not so much, clever? not at all. I find it offensive because it is offensive. If there could have been any doubt, it was dispelled with your follow up sentence of " The knowledgeable player on the other hand can 'play it like a fiddle'. Insinuating I have no knowledge of the game or variance.

Let me ask you this.

Were you "playing it like a fiddle" on your second weekend trip when you went home to the tune of -4u (read Negative $400)?

And no, it is not "'nuff said about that". You can't make a claim of a bet selection (played with your style) that cannot lose 60 out of 100 bets without posting the bet selection. Fact, it can only be considered a baseless boast.

95% of my play is the 1 and 2 hole. You can't tease me like that, its right up my alley, it is my bet selection.

"virtually impossible"? You know virtual means 'not real' so what your saying is "not really impossible". So it is possible, just not imaginable?

Was there any point to your post other than to put me down and prop yourself up?

Quote from: gr8player on June 16, 2015, 09:40:41 PM
No problem, HBS, glad to be of assistance:

Whenever I lose any level with 3W vs 4L, I remain at that level.  However, should I lose it again at the very next series, even if only another 3W vs 4L, in that case I will move on up to the next number in my progression.  But I'll remain at that next level only until recoup of the prior loss.  For instance:

3W 4L = -1
3W 4L = -1
Now we go into "2-ville", and we get, say, -2 +2 +2, we end that series right there, as we've recouped our two lost units from our prior series' and so revert back to base ("1-ville").

One last thing about my progression, the numbers in the series needn't be set in stone.  You could choose:

1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5
2.25 2.25 2.25 2.25 2.25 2.25 2.25
3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5
5 5 5 5 5 5 5

Just so long as you do have 7 numbers (7 bets) for each level.

Truly a Gr8 prog; again, to this day, my fall-back position when necessary.  (I say "when necessary" because I do alot more "flat-betting" now that my bet selection process has become better and better; and let's be frank here:  flat-betting is always the best choice, assuming you can get by with it.  but for those times when I simply can't, my prog can do wonders for me.)

Take care.




Ok I wasn't understanding it perfectly then. It's a fairly conservative progression. Relying on a hit rate above fifty percent for profit out of the gate, or a W/L ratio that doesn't stray too far from center so as not to be driven too deep into the progression. Allowing for a recovery and some profit back at the 1u level. Very good for a successful bet selection.

I agree, flat betting is the best choice. Safest choice. That's why I'll stall my lab around 4u bets and flat bet from there hoping my W/L ratio comes back closer to center.

I've lost 40 out of 60 bets before. You don't want to get caught in an aggressive MM that day.

Quote from: Jimske on June 16, 2015, 10:30:31 PM
Yes, I'm with you.  If 5 LIAR ocurr ever 75 hands than 9 LIAR should ocurr about every 1200 hands.  So over 15,000 that's not a great feat but lifetime?  I still think I'm close but don't really know.

Could very well be that one session ended with 5 LIAR and another started with 5 LIAR.  Something I don't keep track of.  I do keep track of 5 LIAR in one shoe and am at half what I think the expected value would be (once in every 75 placed bets).  Again, I don't keep track of the stop and go.

The other thing is most play shoe to shoe and restart after every shoe.  So in that instance the cumulative LIAR from shoe to show have less significance.  Of course if you only bet once a shoe you can never lose more than 1 IAR. )))

My main concern is could I flat bet and win.  But the fact is I bet P frequently.  Ratio?  Dunno.  Assume that I bet B and P equal numbers or even close and then the % has more weight..  But it all makes me wonder.  Why not flat bet smallish, wait for x amount of LIAR or % loss and then begin a recoup as needed if needed.  Could I still maintain 3.86 units a shoe win rate and improve on ROI?

J

You are right, most people play shoe to shoe, and think from shoe to shoe, I too look at each shoe separately. But I never bought into trying to beat each shoe individually like most bac players do. I never tried to determine what type of shoe this was and bet accordingly. I play each shoe thinking it should be somewhat balanced. For instance if the first half of the shoe is all chops, I expect there to be some FLD wins on the way. Maybe not. It's just a guess.

Flat betting vs a progression. You will have to determine how you are achieving you greater than 50% win avg. Safest thing to do is flat bet if you don't have control over variance. If your wins are clustered 3 in a row, you could run a positive prog. If your losses are limited to 5 in a row you could run a negative prog. The real problem is how far you deviate from 0 wins and losses. It is not so very uncommon to lose 60 out of 100 bets and be 20 wins behind. This kind of occurrence can be more than what you BR can handle depending on the configuration of your W/L string.

If you do use a prog, you can expect much deeper draw downs than 20u. And you will have no choice to continue deeper into your prog to recover all of the excess units and the increased commissions.

From my perspective, you aren't gambling if you flat bet. You've beaten random. If you employ a negative or positive prog, you are now once again gambling with random. That's playing with fire.

Keep in mind even a small prog like GR8's series has you DOUBLING your draw down potential with the first step. Or increasing it by 50% if you can 1.5u bet. Either way, you get my drift. You will always be going backwards faster, since you will revert to a 1u bet when you get to even.

I've always thought anyone playing a 1 2 4 negative marty should always play a 1 2 4 positive prog simultaneously. Risking 7u to win 1, but never balancing that out with winning 7u with 1 seems, I don't know, unbalanced. I'm sure it all ends up the same either way, its just a matter of perspective.

Quote from: gr8player on June 16, 2015, 10:14:53 AM
Hello again, Jimske.

For clarification purposes:

My Gr8Player's Progression is a 7-number string, not 5.  While it's true, it must be an odd number, I've discovered (and, believe me, this was after exhaustive testing) that 7 is the optimal amount of plays per level; not 3, not 5, not 9.  Seven.

So it's 1111111, 2222222, 3333333, 4444444, 5555555.  You are correct about the avg loss streaks.....that's one of the main reasons that the seven plays is the optimal way to go.

Just remember that you only move to the next level after at least a minus 3 at the prior; so if you only lose a level 3W to 4L, you must remain at that same level.  Only at 2W vs 5L or 1W vs 6L do you move the next higher level.

I've played this so much and so well that I needn't even write the strings down....I pretty much know when to adjust my bet sizes almost automatically.  I will also employ a parlay play when I find that I'm consistently hitting that second consecutive win.

Stay well.

Question.

If at the first level you win 3 but lose 4 for a net of -1 and you continue on at the first level, and twice more win 3 but lose 4 for now a total accumulated net loss of -3, do you now move to level two? Or are you waiting until you net 3 losses in a single series of 7 bets?

I know it sounds like a stupid question, but you are not precisely clear. And I'm the master of misunderstanding.

Quote from: Sputnik on June 16, 2015, 03:13:55 PM
I know it is possibal - some one coded the TRNG march (will not mention name) and it end up positive after 50.000 placed bets - flat betting
And the march can be played with variations during the game and still have the same End Play.

So i am pretty happy right now.

Again with this TRNG thing. Something you are not willing to discuss.
Any claim that it ends up positive can only be considered as nothing but an outright lie without proof.
Do you have any idea just how outrageous a claim of being positive after 50,000 placed flat bets is?
Any idea whatsoever?

What do you want from us? HEY MAN GOOD JOB. YOU DA MAN BRO. YOU DA MAN.

What exactly do you expect our reaction to be from a baseless claim?

I'd rather you mention the name of the guy that did the coding, because the coding is real. And not mention the TRNG march, because it is non existent without PROOF.

Put up or

Jimske,

I'm not intending to be disagreeable but I find it difficult to believe a career of only five occurrences of 9LIAR. I would think that you had overlooked them somehow. Perhaps, closing a session with several losses and opening the next session with several more. Equaling 9 or more but broken up in a manner not easily recognized.

You state that you can expect 5 or 6 liar every 75 hands or so. I don't know the math, but you can continue on and expect to see 9 liar every (I don't know) 500 hands or so.

It should be no different then the chances to see B streak to 9 or more. Should be I say. You do claim a greater than 50% hit rate and achieving that could be a simple as reducing long losing streaks.

52.31% is great. But have you considered what portion of that is B? Flat betting B only would produce greater than a 50% win rate. The profit for which is eaten up by commission. Forgive me if you have posted this in the past already. I was just sitting here thinking that winning 52 bets out of 100 isn't exactly a 52% hit rate as B should win 51% anyway. So instead of winning 2% over the expected avg, you are only 1%. Or thereabouts I'm not calculating this to the decimal.

Still over half, nothing to dismiss. I see no reason why someone can't maintain a very slight increase over half any more than someone could win a slight decrease from half.

Jimske,

My moniker is just a play on words. But you are not far off with my location. I have reason to travel to the northeast. So, I may sidestep it to Mosun if I decide to head that way.
I looked up some of their scheduled entertainment and I can enjoy some of that. I don't mind slow play nearly as much as I dislike being rushed.
Smoke free tables sound great. I'm not one of those overly sensitive to smoke people. But being surrounded by lit cigs isn't pleasant. Plus, people can be so oblivious to their inconsideration of smoke if not outright intentionally being passive aggressive with it. And I'm not one to endure much passive aggression. But in a place like a casino, instant ejection (of me) I'm sure.
Good food is one of the best pleasures in life imo. Golf on the other hand not so much. But I know I'm the minority in that regard.

thanks for the tip.

Well, that's pretty much the same impression I've gotten from what I can gather from the internet.

I think casinos draw in people who enjoy the misery and misfortune of others. I think they turn regular people into miscreants that take pleasure in the misfortune of others. Seems to be a common human trait to "kick the dog" to feel better about oneself when having a bad day. Not that everyone succumbs to that type of behavior, but everyone has lost their temper at least once and lashed out at someone or something in frustration. Which alleviated their mood a bit even if it was against their will to engage in such behavior.

I would like a vacation away from inappropriately dressed people that don't know how to behave in public or treat others with common courtesy and respect. People that don't get angry at the cards, the dealer or the casino for losing. Craps players can be a ignorant superstitious surly lot and I find it tiresome. I thought that maybe there would be a level of casino staff and bettors both professional enough and nonchalant enough not to be so uptight about the money. Just relax and let the house edge do its work. But alas it seems like at every level of play it is thinly veiled disdain coupled with an attitude that casino employees are winners and bettors are losers.

Infuriates me to no end, to have to tolerate some ignorant fool who adopts the position of the casino. Who think that now they themselves are beating you at the table, and that since they are privy to some inside information, the rest of us are idiots. When in fact they were equally ignorant until someone else explained it to them. Nothing at all that they could have figured out for themselves, but now act as if they knew all along. Oh how I hate people.

I put money in an entertainment fund, which I chose to be gambling. And every year built an equal size fund for entertainment. Not always for gambling, though I intended to replenish my gambling fund if I thought it was worthwhile. I still have 2/3 of that original bankroll. And an entertainment account that keeps building up funds. I don't have any hobbies, I'm not in debt, I live a modest lifestyle, bored as hell, looking for a place to be spoiled for a week. Not on a ship, not in a place devoid of comforts, not anywhere dangerous. I'm not interested in laying around drinking all day ( I don't drink much at all ) or eating all day. Not much on just taking in the sights, besides how long does it take to look at something? not very. I thought maybe a first class flight to LV and some VIP treatment would be a good idea. But no, not if it's going to be the same attitude of hurry up and lose. I can just fly there and play my normal low limits and pay for whatever I want to do. Or skip it altogether since I know its going to be jam packed full of unintelligent tourists and smoke.

I'll have to think of something else to do. Thanks for the info.

Rolex,

26k to 30k USD is an impressive pile of cash. Your chips are quite busy in colors and design. Casinos I frequent are quite a bit blander as you probably well know. And my pinks are $500. I can't believe each bag of cash is only $5000 USD. You paper money must be thick. I can band 10k in $100 bills and it would be half the size or less of one of those 5k bags you got there. I appreciate you blowing that up for me.

I do not think my questions were BS, nor was I attempting to draw you into some BS. Unless you are referring to a conflict between you and GR8 about unit sizes.

Surely if you are willing to show a picture of such a sum, it's not forward of me to ask, NOT what you bet, but what it takes to be separated from the riff raff in a VIP area. And are you expected to bet every hand? I'm sure there are a lot of posers. My play is always serious regardless of how much the value of the chips mean to me.

I recently read a post by Frank Scobelite about how he was in a high roller room, maybe $500 a hand, but was doodling on his bac card wasting time trying to get comped at a higher paced game he was not only intentionally slowing down, but not playing seriously. Delaying the game because he was uncomfortable losing that kind of cash. Or lacking confidence in his play.

I'm not interested in running a scam on a casino. I'm looking for some 'real' information from people who actually play at a higher level.

Gr8,

I'm really surprised at you. There are two things I like about you.
   The first is that never have I seen you solicit anyone for money. Not ever have I seen John post something of yours in a retort that was a solicitation for cash for a system or selection. And John seems to be on target with a huge archive of your posts. Much of what you type can be read as a sales pitch. But the only thing you are selling is your ability to trend and win money flat betting. Which is a harmless claim since you never offer your bet selection to gamblers desperate to win money back from a casino. I accept it for what it is and that's my choice. As you've said many times nothing can be proven on and internet forum. So it's pointless to exhaust energy on that endeavor.

   And secondly, you never attack anyone. There is no malice in you or any of your posts. No hate or disrespect. You may come off at times as a professor talking down to his students with an air of superiority, but eh, it isn't really insulting or offensive. Most of it is encouragement and benign advice. Except of course, all of your banter with John. Which I am not privy to what transpired between you two, so cannot and care not who is right or wrong or whatever. I am aware of it though, anyone that has ever lurked at a gambling forum the two of you both belong to has read plenty of your back and forth accusations. I dismiss it, I don't consider it a black mark against your character.

I have never claimed to be a professional gambler or Bac player. I have never claimed to have won more money than I have lost gambling. I have generated and continue to generate my income outside of the casino. The money I gamble with means nothing to me. That isn't to say I'm independently wealthy, just that I don't need my gambling funds. It's entertainment, relaxation, fun, get out of the house money. I could gamble with larger units but I'm not trying to impress anyone. I could pile it up and set it on fire. I am not desperate to generate money from a casino.

What I asked are simply questions. The answers to which offer me information. Knowledge from the horses mouth itself. Not bullshite from a sales pitch, promotional garbage from a website, or complete nonsense from people trying to be impressive at the casino.

I like my local casinos, but I do enjoy traveling. And if I'm going to invest my time traveling to a casino I'm not interested in tolerating poor behavior, stupidly dressed people and less than mediocre service. I get that here, and I tolerate it because I choose to bet at the bottom. And there really is no real VIP treatment available. Oh, they pretend at it. There are some big spenders/losers. But I know the facilities are laughable and the food of a lesser quality than what I eat at home.

So, GR8, your post is empty of any value, nothing more than a projection of what you want me to be. What compelled you to engage me in a public admonishment? Was that for my own good? Or was it to make you look and feel better from superior position of experience? The leading authority on all things gambling. I'm not looking drag you through the mud here, but I am less than pleased for you to take a position and call me an amateur and project upon me an ill perceived mindset. You know neither my mind, my motivations nor my competence ( or lack thereof ) at the tables.

To me it seems out of character for you to be insulting without provocation. I didn't expect you to respond to this at all. But if you did I would expect that you would have some 'real' information. I know you aren't renting a car driving several hours, staying at a hotel two nights and eating 6 meals so you can drive home with 12 $25 units. Maybe 12 $100 units to cover all that overhead. Perhaps larger to get your meals and room comped. I dunno. I'm not prying. I was asking anyone willing to answer. And John in particular, only because he outright talks about it and has a picture of a pile of cash and chips, so I didn't think I'd be crossing a line there.

Never been to LV. Never really been to a big casino for that matter. I need to make a trip to AC before it disappears I guess. But haven't heard many good things from casinos desperate for losers. So perhaps a trip to Vegas would be better.

What does it take to be a high roller in Vegas?
What kind of buy in for a roped of VIP section where your every need is catered too?
What's it take to get a suite comped?

How much do you need to bet each hand? Can I play my normal BS where I don't bet every hand?

I'm a modest bettor but can splurge for the sake of entertainment and experience. Strong possibility I break even or only drop a few units, and a decent chance I win 10+ inflated units. Which would be great to fund my normal play. But I'm looking more for the experience of being uptown, with people that know how to behave in public and dress accordingly, and some staff that are professional in their ability to hide there disdain. Sit in a comfortable chair, order bizarre beverages, eat some great food, and sleep in a quiet room.

Rolex Watch, you are always talking about VIP rooms and having someone cater to your every need. I see that picture of stacks of pink chips (denomination unknown) and bands of cash I can't see clearly to know what they are. Doubling your buy in is impressive, but what's the bottom line for such prestigious treatment?

Anyone else enjoy preferential treatment? I'd like a piece of that pie one time.

Thanks in advance.