I have a very serious question to make.

What can someone think if he has found a consistent winning flat bet that matches 100% with Charles win 3 mill scammer clues?
Meaning that has tested 30 sessions of 100 spins and almost all passed the test.(letting 1-2 sessions to end up with just a loss of less than 10 chips).

Would that mean that Charles actually has a winning bet?
And if so , why to scam all those ppl and take their money of the PPPC club?(I was not one of them)

I would be glad hear some opinions.

Thanks

Been there done that.
Can t win.

In my expirience playing mechanical or dynamic is the same thing.
Because of the randomness of the game anything is possible so in one session the mechanical betting will win and the dynamic will lose and the opposite.

Thanks for the feedback mate.
Actually its an easy method to play...all you need is pen and papper to record the step of the progression that you are in every E/C.
Maybe it seems hard now but with practice it will become easy.
If you play more , I would be very intrested to see your results.

i also did a quick test and in 100 spins with the original way of play it ended up +39.
Note that the 1 EC lost 2 times the mini bank BUT the other 2 helped very much...

But the better thing is someone to code it in Excel sheet or Rx in order too a very large test

Yes we all know he was a scam.
But can anyone make a code to test the ORIGINAL boffins bet as it is given in the manual??
I have posted the original method in my 2nd post in this topic.

This system has been coded with only the R/B in the RX and it loses like all systems.
It has never coded with all 3 Ecs though and this is why I created this thread.
The bet itself is no better than all other bets...even if we will bet the opposite of the instraction bet ,the wins and the losses has the same ratio.(i have tested both variations till death)
Soggett I can t understand how you had never seen this system...it s very old and the scammer win3million was selling it when he was the Boffin.
Anyway I am glad that you learned the system now BUT do not have expectations from it because it has been modified with a lot of ways...meanning the progression and it is still a loser.(if you will search in the VLS forum you will see the modifications and urs is in there too)
Because the bet isn t any better than any other bets(not stable)  this iswhy it doesn t win...
Playing it with baccarat is the same as playing only 1 Ec...so be carefull ... it s a proven loser.You will win some as with any system , but later on you will lose everything + the capital.

The only thing I wanna see is how it performs with the exact rules of it... meanning bet all 3 ecs and the original progression.
The only thing I would change in the progression is that with any new + in the ballance I would reset all Ecs progressions.

Dave if you haven t seen the progression of this system , then this means that you aren t familliar with the system.
He claims that the bet by it s own can not win on the long run(so it can t make money and keep them) but it can if the rules are followed exactly.
Ok here is the Full system for you and anyother member that isn t familliar with it.
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It is an "outside" even money bet.
I.e.,   Red or Black, Odd or Even, High or Low.
It is a leave it on to double, treated as one bet

For the purpose of explaining this bet we will just use Red and Black.  You follow the others in identical pattern as shown in the example below.

Any number of same Reds or Blacks two or over in a row is the figure you must look for. Ie. 2 –3 –4 –5 –6 etc.

You wait for a change of colour to occur, then bet the same as your run of two or more. In other words Not the change colour. The penultimate colour! (one before last)

This bit is crucial to this bet.... On a win..You must leave it "Ride" once on the same bet.  You now have two units running to complete the double.

ie. You have placed one unit from your "Bank" as per the bet, and take four (4) off for a win

All losses = 1 unit.  (if lose at stage one or two!)
All Wins = 3 units profit (you have only bet one unit...but take four off) for each unit you bet.
That is the basic bet.


THE same BET......Stage two

Because this bet is based on the most staple and safest of movements on a Roulette table, you now have to take advantage of this fact. And this is how you do it.

After any loss you increase your bet by one unit only. And you stop the increase at a win! You will have won an amount as per the calculator below

Because you are getting a "return" of 4 to 1 on this bet, you can go to times six, and still make a profit of three units.

BET AND RETURN CALCULATOR:
Bet 1 units = bet total =  1 = 4       returned  Win 3
Bet 2 units = bet total =  3 = 8       returned  Win 5
Bet 3 units = bet total =  6 = 12     returned  Win 6
Bet 4 units = bet total = 10 = 16    returned  Win 6
Bet 5 units = bet total = 15 = 20    returned  Win 5
Bet 6 units = bet total = 21 = 24    returned  Win 3
Bet 7 units = bet total = 28 = 28    returned  Win 0
STOP DO NOT BET. Take a O loss or 28 unit loss

NOTE!  It will happen! You will lose a 28 unit mini-bank now and again. Your win ratio will always exceed any losses by a big margin. Consistent playing will give you better Mean Average Returns. (M.A.R.)

IF THIS DOES EVER HAPPEN WE RECOMMEND YOU TAKE THE SAFE ROUTE. STOP! YOU HAVE LOST A MINI-BANK. WRITE IT OFF AS A LOSS! DO NOT DOUBLE YOUR BANK!
NOW REVERT TO ONE UNIT AGAIN TO START THE PROCEDURE WITH A NEW 28 unit Mini-Bank AS PER THE BET  STAGE ONE AND TWO.

This bet is well profitable enough to stand the occasional loss of a "bank" now and then. In Roulette odd things do happen from time to time, but they also work in your favour as you will see some extraordinary long winning runs!

Over any reasonable period and regular betting to gain the M.A.R this bet will return far more winning sessions of 30 units and perhaps a few losing ones of 28 units


Never change this formula! We know on certain occasions that a different approach would profit better?....but you MUST look at this bet as a LONG TERM proposition. And long term following the formula will PAY BETTER PROFITS!

That's it.....it is that simple! Please don't make the mistake in underestimating how profitable this can be.

You must now understand that this bet must be used in conjunction with the "Whole" formula as laid out below.

YOUR BANK:
We always use and recommend a Mini-Bank of 28 units, for each of the outside bets you are betting. Plus a backup Bank for each one. We call these mini-banks. If you lose a mini-bank do not DOUBLE your next!  Just write it off.
There is a "factor" built into this bet called
The Mean Average Return.

This is the Golden Key you must never change!
Let this "WORK" for you. You cannot beat it, or "Know" when it is working to your advantage. Follow the instructions exact
Do not GAMBLE or you will lose!
You must have one "BACK-UP" bank for each of the bets you are betting. This will ensure you should never have a losing session.

THE SESSION:
This is not a fixed session bet! This is a "Target" bet
We have researched all the possibilities of this bet, and for many reasons this bet is best treated as a "Hit and Run bet!

Not least of all you can exploit the short time factor that many sessions will give you.(you can do many sessions per day)
So this is a set Profit Target Bet. The optimum target is 30 units of bet (thirty) At this figure you get the maximum return for time and profit   YOU HAVE JUST DOUBLED YOUR BANK! plus expenses!  Playing outside of these figures will increase your risk factor a little from what is a safe bet. Professionals should play safe at all times.


THE RULES:
The most important rule you must obey is "Win and Walk"
This not only protects your profits, but also gives you as a Professional player, protection from detection!

There is just one very important "Rule" to apply here, and that is applied always!

Finish playing on a WINNING BET!

Note! Silly gamblers finish on a losing bet?

SIMPLE EXAMPLE USING ONLY RED AND BLACK: * = change

R
R
B   *        These stars* represent a change! Ok!  Bet after any change!
B         bet 1 unit red and lose 
B
R   *   
B         bet 2 units black and win.......leave on black to double
B         bet wins     Win=5 (total of 3 units on) you take 8 units off
B
R   *   
R         bet 1 unit and lose   
B   * 
B         bet 2 units lose   
B
R   *
B         bet 3 units black and win...leave on black to double         
B         bet wins    Win =6  (total of 6 units bet) you take 12 units off
R   *
B         bet 1 unit and win.....leave on to double
B         bet wins    Win = 3 ( total of 1unit bet) You take 4 units off
R   *
ETC.
ETC.   (in the example you have won 14 points)

REMEMBER AFTER ANY WIN REVERT TO ONE UNIT BET!
A LOSS OF SEVEN IN A ROW MEANS YOU HAVE LOST A MINI-BANK...REVERT TO NEW BANK AND START AT 1 UNIT.

 
You can see now how you can simultaneously bet all three of the outside bets, as per the "formula" as soon as you have learned one correctly. THIS WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO DO!
I.e.   Red/Black...Odd/Even...High/Low
In Europe you can use the cards to record, but in areas where they frown upon this you will have to develop your own secret system. Just takes a bit of thought! A good idea wherever you are if you are a full-time professional.

ONE FINAL POINT ON THIS BET!
You will find that only one or two of the three bets will streak ahead, whilst the other one or two will show a smaller profit each.
Therefore do not guess like a gambler?  Eventually bet all three to get that important overall Mean Average Return.

It will take some effort on your part to learn perfection, but the returns are better than much harder efforts in other careers.

BE A REAL PROFESSIONAL....AND COLLECT THE REWARDS!

AND NOW FOR A NICE SURPRISE!

There is an even safer way to play this same bet with a longer wait for the bet to opportune itself.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ULTRA-SAFE BET

The bet above is an update on this bet. This was to improve the speed of the sessions so more sessions per time could be played. Most players use the bet above.
Many still prefer this one. It is really easy!

It is as the bet above but....this is FLAT betting.
NO DOUBLES  NO INCREASING
You only play one larger unit bet in the second position (where you would normally double) as above
Do not bet the first position. You ONLY bet if the first position WOULD HAVE WON....OK!   or NO bet!
This is straight forward even betting
No increases! No Doubles
We recommend a HIT & RUN approach of 4 wins per session for each of the even money bets. ie. 4 for 1, 8 for 2, 12 for 3
These figures do not apply to EACH but if playing all 3 as soon as 12 units profit Total is hit...that's the Run point!
Move table...or move Casino!

Recommended BANK....20 units for all three even bets total.
10 for 1 or 15 for 2

THIS IS THE BET YOU SHOULD ALL PLAY FOR AT LEAST SEVEN VISITS. YOU WILL THEN NOT ONLY HAVE WON SOME CAPITOL BUT BE FULLY AWARE HOW THE "COMBO" BET WORKS.
This is the bet you paid for! The rest is your bonus. Please go slowly..make money..get experience!

PS. Always keep records of all your sessions..if you have made a mistake....you will spot it quick. Be Professional.

Make every day a good Pay-day!

WE WISH YOU A GREAT FUTURE
THE BOFFINS PROFIT CLUB

Now the real Bonus if you have not spotted it yet?

Play the two bets above as ONE combined bet!

IE.  Play your Ist. Bet as explained
      Play the ultimate bet on the 2nd hit as explained. You will automatically know to "Play" the 2nd bet ...because you only Play it IF the first part of your "parlay" has won!

Regardless of how much you are betting from your 1st 28 unit mini bank...you bet your Flat fixed bet (ultimate bet) with the 1st part of a winning bet.

Please take your time to go over this many times! It will pay big dividends being a total Professional. Do not play until you know this bet well.  Do not Gamble!
You don't need to now!  You can now always "Play" to win.

JUST ONE MORE DETAIL:
ZERO?  When this comes up during a bet you can ignore or you can restart the bet at the next point. The consensus of opinion is to ignore it at all times. Chose one and stick to it always. Unless it is a Losing bet then you treat it as a LOSS

Here is a Real Live Casino with Real Croupiers. This is not an Online Casino with Computer Programming?  You can "TEST"  the bet here, until you are confident to play in Real LAND CASINOS.

NEVER USE ONLINE CASINOS! You will lose

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We all know that the Boffins bet flat betting or with the recomended progression and with only one EC betting doesn t work in the long run as the author claims.
But has anyone tested it in a lot of spins with a program using it s exact rules?
The exact rules are saying that it should be played on all 3 Ecs and with the special progression that the author provides.

All I have seen and tested is a RX code that some members coded  the bet with only one of the three Ecs.(flat or with progression)
I know that if it is losing with the one EC , it is supposed that by betting all three Ecs we will have loss X3.
But it is supposed that the author say that the 3 Ecs are working together as a team...(unreal but this is what he claims)

So my question is ... Has anyone tested this system with it s exact rules?

Bayle no one wants to throw stones to you.
What we are saying is that the base of your bet has been tested before and it can t produce a stable or winning balance.

We are always welcoming new ideas here so if you have something new to present we are all ears

Who told you that by betting the penultimate EC you have a bet is a " no win no lose bet"?
This bet is losing as all the other bet selections and it has been tested widely...

By betting the penultimate EC the pattern RR BB RR BB is killing the profits.And this pattern is not rare...it has the same rate as the RBRBR and the RRRRor BBBB.Runs and Changes.

The penulatimate EC betting was presented as a "no win no lose bet" by the scam Charleswin3million a long time ago and it seems that you know it because you are using his exact words "no lose no win bet" and "a bet withing a bet".
What you don t know is that everyone has tested this bet and it can NOT produce a stable ballance...instead of that it is losing.Ask Victor too...he has mentioned it a lot of times.

So the base of your method is mistaken.

Welcome and let s see if you have something to say

Playing with the same value of chips isn t bad in the case of Superman because he still tests his method.
I know that (because of his true knowledje and expirience) he knows that these winning sessions could be a luck even if the number of the sessions are a lot.

@Sam a method deserves to be called H/G when it can get + in any session no matter the fluctuation of the outcomes.

@ Superman I never thought even for a sec that you are lying.
I respet you and as I said I consider you as a great roulette researcher and I also consider you as a sirious person.
All I said is that you have taken the wrong path.
You always KNEW that playing continiously or playing hit and run are resulting the same...now what change your mind..I really don t know.

@Giz you got it all wrong.
I never searched for proofs and I never wanted for someone to post a winning method.

@Drazen I really don t think that Superman is hidding something.
What I think is that he also don t know what he is doing so how can he explains it?

If you read Giz and Supermans latest posts you will realize that they both speak as the same person...same kind of play...guessing. Unreal.

I never said that an ABC method is gonna work for sure...but guessing isn t superior.

You never know when a trend is gonna continue to happen ,neither when is gonna stop....so there are no "follow the trend " succes playing.

I am always spot on and I am spot on you too superman.

If you say that every session that you played was a winner , then playing continiously is the same...
Once upon a time you knew that...now I can t understand what happened and you forgot it.

I agree with  wannawin in everything exept the part that if something works for someone it may not work for an other one...
If something really works , it works for everybody.

I really can t beliave what superman is posting...
He used to be a serious roulette explorer and now everything he writes are against his knowlwdje and expirience.

Giz..well he will always be Giz.

albalaha you are always trying to find a winning method and you always say in every post that nothing can win...
But when you remember you are posting that you already have a winning method.

My advice is for all to be serious and not posting things that they can t do and they aren t doing.
No system till now is a winner...Let s all work to make one.
This is the true reason we should all be here after all.

I also agree with Drazen and Sputnik.

Ps. When you ppl will ever understand that if you add up a lot of sessions ,it ends up like playing long run?
When will you understand that quit wile you are ahaid , doesn t help in anyway.

My suggestion is get over this fallacy and you will start making better systems/methods.