Quote from: peleus on October 19, 2014, 03:44:34 PM
Sorry to bump this up but I was looking for a video tutorial about them but...]

To clarify:  what does the word 'them' specifically refer to?

Once I (or others) know that we might be able to help.

Sarsted, priced at 1.34, was more of a shortshot...LOLOL

You're doing remarkably well with your picks. 

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[mod] Perhaps now the thread can get back to further productive discussions. With a user name like WorldBaccaratKing we can perhaps look forward to some positive contributions and insights into 'winning ways' from our new member. [/mod]

Glad someone reads -- and also chooses -- to abide by the rules. 

@ LF  You ask:

"Also, while i was doing a bit more research, i am seeing two distinct methods. Either fixing the liability or fixing the return during the staking. What would you recommend and why?"


When laying I always stake to a fixed, specific liability using Formula 2.

Why?

So I have better control over losses, and I'm not betting more than I can afford to lose! 

Stupid I might be; daft I'm not! 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/09/venezuela-racehorse-poison-gambling-criminal-currency

Yes, her staking plan is good. 

And here's software to make it easy to use: http://www.maria-5.com/

This software looks like it's ideal for parlays:  http://www.compound-magicpro.com/

The video on that site is an eye-opener!

Laying always involves a liability. That's the amount that you are liable to pay out of your account to the winner should the horse be unreasonable enough to actually win.

Before laying anything always calculate your liability first. (See Formula 1 below)

The smaller the price on offer the smaller your liability; the bigger the price on offer the greater your liability.

Many horse racing punters love to lay odds-on shots.

Why?

Simply because:

• Odds-on shots most certainly do lose quite often

• Liability as odds-on layers is always less than our stake

• Returns for successful odds-on lays are always greater than our stake


To improve your chances laying odds-on:

• Look for races with a couple or more close threats priced under 10.00 -- the more the better.

• Look for races on heavy tracks -- the wetter the better.



Here are two easy formulas to keep on your desktop.


Formula 1:  Calculate your liability for a specific stake

  Liability = (Decimal Odds - 1) * Lay Stake


Formula 2:  Calculate your stake for a specific liability

  Lay Stake = Liability / (Decimal Odds - 1)



[For more information see here:  http://betselection.cc/horse-racing-forum/laying-to-lose/ ]

Yes, Peleus. 

Patience is an essential ingredient when playing longshots -- spiced with a touch of optimism, too!

Is it valid to tar them all with the same brush?

Surely they can't all be cheats?

What we should be doing collectively is to find the ones that don't.

How we do that moot point.

Lucky? Always plays a part.

Clusters?  Wins and losses tend to come in clusters.

The important thing with longshots is how profits are running at 3, 6 and 12 month intervals.

Longshots and short-term profits are mutually exclusive.

So hang in there...

@RW:  And some of us have learned that having suspicions isn't always enough to condemn outright.

[Thankfully most Western courts err on the side of caution and don't condemn someone just on suspicion.]

Sometimes 'giving the benefit of the doubt' is enough for a scammer to eventually over-reach and reveal themselves in their true colours.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29543448