Quote from: spike on January 24, 2013, 10:55:16 PM
Yup, I don't see how moving to another table after
62 spins is hit and run. The average table produces
25 spins an hour. A real table, not some online piece
of stuff. 62 spins is 2 and 1/2 hours worth. Its not
hit and run after that long a time, its more like Snooze
and Crawl..

I play mostly online these days. there's 120 odd spins an hour. I don't wait for-60 odd spins. I play 3--5 methods in a typical session. If the opportunity comes along I take it. there's not always a long wait.

You ought to know that. I have logged in and had a bet waiting for me hundreds of times. I don't labour over it. If I don't get the opportunity in my session I let it go.

I've never waited 100 spins for a game and neverwill. I have PATTERN BREAKER, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, MATRIX VERTICAL 3, TEMPLATE 7, FIVE. New gems CODE 4 HORIZONTAL and CODE V5 and of course 7 ON 1 to keep me busy. there's never a dull moment.

Quote from: spike on January 24, 2013, 09:27:01 PM
I would never play Paddy, they
only give you 20 seconds between spins. that's barely
enough time to write down the results, let alone
study them and make a decision for the next bet.

The only people I see on the net unhappy with Bet365
have tried to withdraw large amounts of money, in
the thousands, and have run afoul of the verifying who
they are process. One guy withdrew $5000 and his
own bank turned down the payment from 365 saying
there was something amiss in his account. So of course
365 closed the guys account and investigated. Story
after story like that, rarely do you see they just flat
out refuse to pay for no reason.

that's part of their strategy to make you rush and make mistakes. But if you know your method. No messing around it can't hinder you. that's why they will have to stop me.

Quote from: Bayes on January 24, 2013, 09:13:41 AM
It's one thing to say that you don't trust them, but you can't possibly know that they are ALL dishonest! Sorry, but that's absurd.

And the other statements could just as well apply to B&M casinos. The fact that they may choose to limit or ban you doesn't make them dishonest, although it doesn't make good business sense either.

It's simple. A casino is a business like any other, if you rip off your customers they won't come back, they ALREADY have an edge, and there is plenty of competition out there. The sheer, unsubstantiated nonsense and paranoia you read on this topic drives me crazy.

End Rant.

The big boys are more tolerant. Like Ladbrokes and Paddy Power. But even theyll have a limit once they realize the house edge isn't going to stop you. I will wait to see how far im allowed to go.

Quote from: spike on January 24, 2013, 01:29:55 AM
What the min bet on EC's on the live wheels? What is it
at Paddy?

Its 50p at Paddy.

Quote from: spike on January 24, 2013, 01:02:00 AM
So how does this apply to bet365?

I wouldn't play Bet365 they are suspect. EVEN their RNG has a minumum bet of £5 on the outside chances. This is madness. When PADDY POWER goes from 50p to £10,000. No comparison.

They're not in the same league as the big boys. Just a greedy online bookmaker.

Quote from: spike on January 24, 2013, 12:37:53 AM
I'm only concerned with the live roulette wheels. Are
they honest?

You want honest you go to the live wheels at PADDYPOWER. Betfred live is okay. The worst is William Hill. Very poor losers. They all use one of two LATVIAN FEEDS anyhow. The question is the integrity of the uk bookmaker themselves. Paddy power are A number 1. And William Hill are the pits. The rest are somewhere in between.

Ladbrokes use the same feed as PP. And Betfred the same as WH. So you take your pick.

Quote from: spike on January 23, 2013, 11:57:27 PM
You say to win a game takes an average of 62 spins. I
just don't see how switching tables after 62 spins is
hit and run.

You don't see anything Spike other than even chances and level stakes. Youve made that quite clear. The deal is ONE GAME and gone. What I will prove is H.A.R as I execute it. Is superior to continuous play.

You stay on the same track too long you will lose.

You keep hopping from track to track. You will miss that loss for longer periods. IF YOUR BET SELECTION is any good to start with.

Lets be clear on that. A poor bet selection is doomed however you play it. And the people who don't see any advantage in H.A.R often are guilty of using very weak methods to begin with.

Its the total package. To succeed in this game. Maybe one day you will find the courage to talk straight and present a clear cut method.

Then people might see you know something, until then you are just a detractor with nothing better.

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 23, 2013, 11:16:02 PM

First of all i don't get the CAPS. I also do not understand why you come up with that question, what's the connection?


wiki
"The Gambler's fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlo fallacy (because its most famous example happened in a Monte Carlo Casino in 1913),[1][2] and also referred to as the fallacy of the maturity of chances, is the belief that if deviations from expected behaviour are observed in repeated independent trials of some random process, future deviations in the opposite direction are then more likely."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

The question is PRICELESS in my situation. My methods are the opposite of gamblers fallacy.

Nearly every method is based on that exact fallacy SOMETHING IS DUE. PATTERN BREAKER isn't. 7 ON 1 isn't. FIVE isn't. In fact they all work because they are saying you are not due. And if you want my stake youve got to do this RIGHT NOW.

When that finally sinks into enough minds. You will know how I Won.

Until then you carry on stuck on the same track of jaded indifference.

Quote from: spike on January 23, 2013, 07:54:44 PM
That isn't hit and run. HAR is when you win a unit and find
another table. Playing till the game is over is called 'playing'.

So mr how does someone win a unit before finding the next table? Do you just show up and bet on the first thing that comes in your head? No you have to track your method TO ARRIVE AT THAT BET.

Stop trying to get the upperhand Spike. You cannot. Your complete thought process is like that of the wizard of odds. He is someone with a closed mind who thinks maths explains everything. And you remind me exactly of him.

When I prove my point over the coming months and years. Youll be singing another tune.

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 23, 2013, 08:02:50 PM
What makes you think that a bet selection is stronger than other? Hit Rate? Variance? As for what you call HAR, it doesn't make any difference, i consider it your personal permanence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence

Marigny what is GAMBLERS FALLACY?

Quote from: esoito on January 23, 2013, 05:57:12 AM
Just wondering....   

Is there such a thing, d'you think, as a STRESS-FREE roulette bet?

If yes, then what are some of its characteristics?

[ We'd need to consider the type and source of the stress before answering, of course.]

Yes there are many Esoito, the average gambler hopes he will win when he bets.

The informed experienced gambler who has paid his dues and put the work in expects to win. There is little or no stress when you already know what the longterm result is going to be.

And no one should place a bet for real money until they reach that place. The golden rule is knowing the true value of what you are using.

Once you truly know this, no negative detractor can ever phase you. And you bet with confidence. There are no surprises once you have a method that takes you to that place.

I've been there a long time with a few methods. There is no stress or pressure when I use them. Just a knowing, that as long as I employ them with all I've learnt. The longterm outcome is success forever.

Quote from: Tarantino on January 23, 2013, 01:54:09 PM
Hello JL...

Quick question.
How many times a day do you play this 7 on 1.... And how much do you win, as in units. If your playing for £1.00 a win, gonna have to play a lot of it.   I don't play this system, to complex for me ...

5--10 games per day, £4.00 units. You need to understand I play 3--5 methods a day Tarantino. 7 ON 1 is on test more than being a bread and butter method like say PATTERN BREAKER or TEMPLATE 7.

If you have never seen something lose on a live wheel when its had nearly 4,000 chances to do so. You have to be a fool, not to look at it very, very closely.

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 23, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
If JL continues to use bet triggers based on empirical observations it is no wonder that he uses a martingale progression and calls it a "smart MM".
I am more of a rationalist.
Cheers

Marigny a limited martingale can be very smart MM indeed. A suicidal 10 step marty is foolish. And will be costly longterm.

A 7 unit marty can be and is very rewarding married to the right bet selection and H.A.R. This is what must be clear.

Martingales can't work if the BET SELECTION is weak. And H.A.R isn't employed. All three together can result in something special and consistently rewarding.

Quote from: Robeenhuut on January 23, 2013, 06:20:02 AM
Atlantis

What method would you play if they both had 1000+ winning streak? The one that risks 80 units or 240 units to win 1?  They are both difficult to track and John has a patience.

Matt I would play 80 units, that's not why I've put FIVE on the backburner for now. I've had a loss with FIVE. I've never had a loss with 7 ON 1. I've never seen a  loss with LIVE results either.

I've seen a few for FIVE. Few people could understand FIVE. Because of the complexity of the BET TRIGGER.

But that's what gives it the power. I find myself in a similar situation at the moment with CODE V5. And Atlantis's brilliant CODE 4 H. They're the opposite of eachother.

But both very promising. So FIVE is always there to be called upon. Its not disguarded or forgotten. Im never precious about methods.

I am always looking for the strongest one with the fastest turnover. CODE V5 has a turnover faster than five or 7 on 1 and in relation to risk may prove as strong. As it only has 27 Units at risk.

Quote from: spike on January 22, 2013, 10:03:00 PM
I'm not understanding how hit and run
works with a system that requires so
much tracking. Could you explain how
HAR works on this, I don't get it.

The tracking isn't important. At the conclusion of a game, I log out. No one who thinks and talks like a representative of the wizard of odds is ever gong to get this.

That's why I've got to prove it will make methods that have no edge played straight. Into longterm winners.