Here is how you can predict if the Player will get an 8 or 9 on the first card.......and let you  win millions playing baccarat

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/04/sorting-out-the-law-behind-phil-ivey-s-edge-sorting-debacle-18054.htm

For those of you considering a career as a dealer, check out this article



http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1b31c4feed214271994ffceebe10f7ef/high-rollers-dealers-describe-special-treatment-abuse

Live casinos have auto shufflers and each card has an RF  identifier so the shuffler can detect which exact card, if any, is missing -   also some new chips at the WYNN in vegas have chips with an RF identifier so the casino can keep track of the chips.

So if you are playing at a bac machine with no live dealer like Resorts in Queens NY, the machine can select any card it needs depending on how much is bet on Player or Banker....all the while looking like its taking the next card out of the shoe........which it really is not.

With a live dealer, once the cards are in the shoe, they can't be taken out of the shoe and re-shuffled or the dealer can't take "seconds" out of the shoe like a blackjack dealer can.

The dealer and the casino do not know how the 6 or 7 customers at the table will play so it would be hard to rig the cards, Some may bet on chops, others on a trend etc etc.

Rigging a blackjack shoe is easy...just make sure the dealer gets an 18, 19 20 or 21 on almost every hand.  Someone I know played blackjack at an Indian casino and won only 4 hands in a 8 deck shoe of blackjack.  Was the shoe rigged? Who knows ? Maybe or maybe not.

As far as cheating goes, live casinos are more worried about dealers and customers playing partners..... or customers past posting bets from seat # 8
or dealers or supervisors stealing chips from the chip tray. I can tell some good stories about these situations.

The only real way an auto shuffler in a live casino can screw a customer in baccarat is to somehow rig the deck so there are no long Player or Banker runs.

And yes...the Indian casinos have their own sureveillance and monitoring of the integrity of the game......so anything is possible with the Indian casinos.......a good way to get back at the Americans who stole their land, gave them smallpox, killed them and their buffaloes and starved them to death. 

PS Recently an Indian tribal member was indicted foe embezzelling almost  a million $ from a tribal fund.........you just can't trust anyone when it comes to money.

Be careful when using any system based on these bankroll charts.

In the second chart you could just have easily started using the system when the bankroll was at 1000 units and then went down to 400 units for a 600 unit drawdown loss.

Most important stat in these charts in the maximum drawdown you would have incurred....not how high the bankroll went.

Would you have kept on playing this method after a 600 unit drawdown ?

If you hit 6 out of 20 spins then flat betting will produce a loss so you will have to use your negative 8 step progression and hope you don't lose more than 8 in row.

How much do you bet on the next spin if you lose 8 spins in a row ?

Is that a negative progression where you increase bets on a loss or a positive progression where increase bets on a win ?

Do you have a method for the wheel with the 00 ?

I advise everyone to make their own garbage shoe and test any method on that shoe first before doing any other testing.

Also if you are manually checking a method and flat betting , a quick way to figure banker comm is to add up all winning bets in a shoe and divide by 2. Then miltiply result by .05 ( assuming banker will win half of all winning bets)

( if you win 20 hands in a shoe assume banker will win half which is 10, so multiple 10 by .05 =1/2 unit banker comm on the shoe.}

Its just an approximation but it should come close over many shoes. 

If you are using a progression then you obviously can't use this.....and if you are using a computer, then of course the softeware  can calculate the banker comm to the penny.

Just did 3 more rewal casino shoes on the bac matrix and ...not so good.

Lost 5 units on one shoe, lost 2 on another shoe and break even on the third shoe.

Never got to the magic number of 4 unit win on any shoe. ( premature ejaculation on all 3 shoes )

I did a test on my garbage shoe ( not a real shoe ,,,doesn't have any standard patterns, chops, PBPBPB long runs PPPPPPP    1,2's   PBBPBB    3's   PPPBBBPPPBBB    doubles PPBBPPBB 1,3's PBBBPBBBPBBB              4;s PPPPBBBBPPPPBBBB  etc ) and it was up 4 units before ending at even zero units

I wouldn't use the progression you have because if you lose 9 in a row you are down 15 units. Which is OK if you are playing small stakes online. But if you are playing $ 100 a hand in a real casino, you are down          $ 1500

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If you use 9 unit,s then bet 2 units until you recoup the 9 units and don't bet more than 2 units

I would quit the shoe at a 4 unit win or 6 unit loss.

Might be an error on your first post in this thread at top of this page.

On the eighth line down you have PPB LWL and on the ninth line down you have BBP WLL.

So I think the mistake is on the 9th Line since you would have won the first bet and lost the 3rd bet on the 9th line for a zero profit or loss on that line but you show a 1 unit loss.

I think you forgot the first winning bet on the 9th line.

Atlantis....thanx for the method. How would you play this recent shoe I played at a live brick and mortar casino ?


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Thanx for the help.

interesting method.......as far as baccarat goes, do you have any profit or loss objective for a shoe ...or do you quit the shoe when it just feels right ?

Hers's a suggestion......if you are ready to leave the table with a win or a loss, and if you are betting $ 100 or more a hand, then stay at the table and play any another method you can come up with, but only bet $ 15 a hand or $ 10 a hand ( or $ 5 a hand if the casino lets you bet $ 20 on Bank and $ 15 on Player ( or vice versa )

Then you can play out the shoe and only lose or win a small amount ( ideally only betting $ 5 a hand ) betting the other system  Try to sit out as many hands as possible.

Then when the shoe ends, play your regular method on the next shoe and bet $ 100 a hand.

This will give you a chance to play more shoes.

Also consider a conservative negative progression such as if you lose a net of 12 bets flat betting:

111111111111   (lost 12 units- meaning you lost a net of 12 units flat betting, then start betting 2 units until you recover the 12 units and then go back to betting 1 unit.

But don't bet more than 2 units a hand or it gets too dangerous.  Just stay at 2 units until you recover the 12 units lost. 

Do you have a link to the post ?

I searched for ezscouter ands nothing was found.

As mentioned in the thread, just hope you don't keep getting shoes with a lot of chops (PBPBPB  etc ) or the terrible twos (PPBBPPBBPPBB etc )

If you do, its back to your day job.