Quote from: alrelax on November 25, 2016, 08:21:37 AM
Anyone can develop a program such as this to exploit a given avenue.

It can work, the only problem with it, it cannot work shoe after shoe.  How many shoes or better yet--how many sections of a shoe can it work, 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 10 or none while you are there trying it. 

The same as anything, wagering chop, or doubles, or any certain side based on previous win numbers of the last hands, etc. I witness numbers every week at the casino.  Some shoes will offer you the perfect chance to align yourself say with the following.  Every natural will cut to the other side on the next hand.  Every 3rd card win on a side will then cut to the other side on the next hand.  Every prevailing 6-7-8 or 9 in a side will then cut to the other side the next hand.  Every 3rd repeat on the same side will then fail to produce a 4th and cut to the other side for the next hand.  Then, the same shoe or the next one or 3 or 5 shoes will produce the following.  Every natural will be the first of a couple or several for that same side.  Every 3rd card win on a side will be the first of a couple or several repeats for that side.  Every prevailing 6-7-8 or 9 on a side will be the first of a couple or several for that side.  Every 3rd repeat will be a streak of 4 or 6 or 7 or greater for that side for several times.  OR, a combination of doing each one of those and then doing the exact opposite.  Might do it for 1 time or 8 times in a row or any combination of times within the section or the shoe. 

The game of baccarat within a casino (not the Youtube sales advertisements) have only produced one thing that is 100% going to happen every single shoe, shoe after shoe after shoe after shoe.  That is, 1) A first hand, and 2) A last hand.  As far as patterns/trends, amounts of Bankers Vs. Players, Ties, Fortune 7's, etc., there is no set numbers how or why.

One example.  Fortune 7's.  The other week at a casino, we usually average 1 or 2 F-7's in a most shoes.  At times we have 3.  Other times we frequently see 4 or 5.  We went through 7 complete shoes with not a single Fortune 7.  It happens. 

Get yourself 8 decks of cards and try it.  If you are sold on his Youtube video you have very little or no experience playing this game.

Get yourself educated on the game itself and  learn about chops, doubles, streaks, winning numbers, losing numbers, and the 2 or 3 other dozen factors that either make up trends and patterns or discounts them entirely.

Your best chance IMO is knowing what the game can and will do or will not do.  Then you have a better understanding and how to apply a wagering technique that will possibly prevail within certain sections of a shoe. 

It cannot and will never be solidified in a mechanical system to win with games of chance.  The same as a article of clothing does not take off excessive belly fat by sitting and watching TV eating chips and dip washing it all down with soda.  The same as you cannot but and flip a house without money buy purchasing some course on late night TV without committing fraud and other criminal acts.  The list goes on.  LOL.

There is a lot of truth in these pile of words.  No system like you say will work every shoe.  You have to play the shoe individual and adjust.  How better to do it is still to be determine.  Without constant adjustment, the failure will come fairly soon.

Quote from: Eight Iron on November 29, 2016, 09:42:40 AM
He concentrates on the dominant side and bets with it until one of his 'laws' kicked in.  For example, for his "Law of 75%", according to him, "when a side wins three times in a row,  you have three out of four chances the next hand will be the opposite". PPP bet B. BBB bet P.

If he loses, he doubles, and bets the side again.

Whatever he is doing, it seems to work.  His earliest video showed a bankroll of $67,000 and his latest shows $923,000.

https://www.facebook.com/JuandeDiosSilva/

If that is what he's doing, I doubt it works.  I've seen this tempted many times by people I've played with in the past.

As far ask his account going from 67K to 923K, I can do that as well.  I once pull this on my friend.  Bringing my account from 1K to 150K.  When it's not your money or not real, things can happen really easily.

Nice post.  What is the calculation for chops?

Quote from: bruceg on September 09, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
if anything is 50/50 it can be beat mathematically with simple progression, that's why there's a house edge...if you can win 50/50 of your sessions then well......read my first sentence

Not always

Quote from: MarkTeruya on August 24, 2016, 03:46:44 PM
It begs the question why Iplayforaliving was given a free rein for so long, maybe esoito can answer.

In truth I always assumed VLS was above letting scammers on his site, but it appears not

Ditto.  I came across a couple in the casino that bought the premium package from Iplayforaliving.  Besides it being a losing system, hey were denied the training that they paid for. No replies or when he does, it's nasty.

Quote from: Jake on August 24, 2016, 01:10:20 PM
Bingo! Just like no one would ever admit to being the victim of a Nigerian prince email scam, although amazingly some poor suckers fall for them.

Exactly! 

Quote from: ADulay on August 20, 2016, 10:47:54 PM
Could you make a quick explanation of just what it is before we have to actually go to another YouTube video post and be bored to tears?

AD

This Jay Silva guy claims he can make a killing with his formula and even invite people to join him in South America.   I couldn't figure out what exactly is he doing, so hoping someone here does.

Anyone in South America making a killing with this guy's formula yet?

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Quote from: 21 Aces on July 04, 2016, 01:32:35 AM
Yes - haha.  In fact, you can get sooooo good, you just tell the valet to leave the motor running.  Seriously, I do think we could compile a short piece that would keep people out of trouble and well enough on their way.  Easy to outline and hard to follow on the risk management side.

I'll put a wager that it's a bust.  Anyone else?

Quote from: alrelax on July 01, 2016, 06:06:10 PM
It is the same exact thing in a legitimate service business.  Emergency work Vs. Bided work, regular client that will pay no questions asked within 7 to 10 days after the job is complete Vs. say an insurance company for an insured that will take 3 to 6 months to pay after invoice audit and extended negations to wear down the business personnel, etc.  Tactic employed like those work!  Sucks.  The same job with a 70% profit margin and 5 day payment agreement will also be your next 10% profit job (if lucky) after waiting 5 months for payment and having $40k or more laid out (Out of Pocket Expenses) to get the job complete.  Same thing, no different in gambling.  Oh, lord, how about those invoices no one will pay even with a law suit, a judgment paper is still worthless against almost all people that refuse to pay in the business world.

Very close scenario. 


For everyone (just a thought):

The earliest trigger for comes after at least one and a half shoes, usually later.  I may have some that I call (If I may) triggers that I can bet a little over the table minimum on.  Some casino use 6 decks while many uses 8 decks for a shoe.  Over the years, I've read from here and a few other forums that one looks for statistical anomalies in a shoe.  Would about EVERY 80 hands in the shoe give you that?  Why can't one think of a shoe consisting of infinite numbers of decks, if not at least 50-100 decks.  This may sound crazy but I only play ONE shoe a day, which holds about 70 decks.

Quote from: alrelax on July 01, 2016, 12:01:02 PM

As far as Thorp goes, it is not a mechanical 'sure bet' system by any means, at times it might work and at other times it might not.  There is no guarantee.
 
Same thing in baccarat with progressions, money management and wagering triggers.  Plains and simple, no two ways about it.

Good point.  Their APPROACH is NOT mechanical.  It also requires the player to make a judgment on how much to bet.  The player may bet one amount on a certain count and probably will bet a different amount on the exact same count on another day.   Does anyone know the exact winning figure?  A few years ago, I did some research but not sure now reliable those sources are.  If I could remember correctly, they deploy about 60 players and they won x amount.  When I did the math, each person earned way less than 6 figures a year.  They probably make more getting a job with less stress.   While the wins they posted on weekends and overall wins were impressive, others have done similar perhaps by only luck.  Also according to certain sources, they were wagering large amounts the win isn't all that impressive.  It is overall impressive when you think that they end up winning instead of losing over all the years.  Most of the guys end up making more money working and starting their own business.

I believe that the APPROACH is the only way to win.  Players shouldn't expect to win crazy amounts either.  Unless you're consistently trying to use a progression to end a streak or pattern, I find it very difficult to keep track of where you are in the progression.  This is why I deploy the same approach as the MIT guys.  As far as bet selection goes, I also have triggers.  I did some research and most sources pointed out there there were not a lot of triggers even when counting cards.  The hardest part to implement is patiently waiting for those few trigger hands.  If you can't wait for them and just bet, that's where you will get in trouble.  I don't know if I'm being delusion on the matter of trigger handS but they served me well.  Notice I capitalize the "S".   Like card counters in BJ, they will not know the exact hand to bet large.  They just know the time when the count is good and they rely on the STRETCH that the count is good over several hands and not just one hand.  In order to make money on those stretch before the count change, you will need money to overcome.  NO FLAT BET WILL WIN YOU GAMES (Many have claim that they can do it but none have dared to show some proof).


I usually lose when I can't wait for those triggers.  The ability to wait for them, bet accordingly without getting too distracted is amazingly hard to do.

Quote from: Garfield on June 16, 2016, 07:18:07 PM
Well, that's what happened to me. Take any win, small win, 5-7% is enough. Then any losing session will wipe out the whole winnings, and your BR.
Been there too.

Win $400-800 with $8k maybe small for some, but how about winning $400 with $400 BR?

I choose the second. How about you?

Sorry for getting back to you late on this.  I missed this post somehow.  Win $400-800 with $8k maybe small for some because those able to bring $8K to gamble is probably well off so they winning that about is not enough especially when they don't go daily.

I still prefer the large bankroll because of the style that I play.  I find it absolutely hard to win with $400 even on a $10 min bet table.   I did bring only $300 on some occasions when I keep losing.  Once with $300, I manage to build $12K in a few weeks.  I won $300 on the first day.  My BR became $600 on the 2nd day.  Then I won another $300.  My bankroll became $900.  After that I would win $400-$600 on some days as my BR increased.   I capped my bankroll after $4K and try to win at about $300-$600 a day and some days more if I get lucky and win really early.  Some days I would even win $1200.  So during that nice run, I manage to win $12K.  Although I manage to lose almost all of it back. 

Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
If i am tracking all 12 streets in cyclesof 12 spins, what is the average spin number that a steet will hit on?

Is streets = streaks? or is it term used to describe a sequence of a particular pattern?

Quote from: ADulay on November 04, 2012, 02:07:43 AM
Well, on pretty much every other forum I get called all kinds of names for even mentioning the online casino I use, and have used for over three years now.

I'll take a chance and see if I can post up this information and still remain a normal user.

I've been using BetPhoenix.ag as my only online casino for real money.  As a US player, it's about the only online casino I can play at for money.

Do not confuse this casino with BetPhoenixCasino which is a totally different operation and not very well regarded in the online gambling community.

I have gotten my requests for payouts in a timely manner and literally have not had any problems from them worth even mentioning.

Their video feed does become flaky from time to time but then I just log off and come back another day.

I made an initial $200 deposit in 2009 and am still playing on the continued winnings from that.   I made the deposit to make a serious test of a system play.  It worked and I just stayed on and continued to play.

Yes, I'll be very happy when the US finally gets its act together and allows online gambling/money transactions, but those dopes in Washington will have to get their heads out of their a$$es and I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

I believe the live roulette wheel minimums on it are $10.

AD

What is the requirement for withdraw?  Minimum amount = ?  How many withdraw per month=?  Fees =?  Is it by check or to your bank account?  How long does it take?  I did not see anything about withdraw on the website.

The video delay is worse than 5dimes but of course I usually play at night.

Quote from: ADulay on June 17, 2016, 06:30:20 PM
As the above mentioned online casino is currently in discussion in another thread, I would like to ask if anyone here is actually playing there lately.

I have been researching their site and rules but haven't seen any mention of our forum members who play there here on the board.  (with one exception).

So, if anyone has any FIRST HAND information to relay, this would be a good thread for that data.

It doesn't matter if you're a $1 player or a $100 player, just real time, first hand information would be nice.

One just never knows when they might need a back up online casino.

AD (this editor is driving me nuts)

I have played at 5dimes making two deposit and numerous times at Grand Macau.  I live in the USA.  I started with Grand Macau because that was the only one that I was able to make a deposit with.  This was almost 2 years ago.  I've loss there over and under betting due to delays.  Sometimes when you click, it doesn't appear so you keep clicking and the next thing you know, you have a large bet.  Then sometimes when you want to make a large bet, you keep clicking and it doesn't appear.  I also had trouble switch to different denomination sometimes.  I had the same thing happen at 5dimes and it's worse.

Grand Macau makes you wait 90 days before they let you cash out.  5dimes allow once a month up to $2500 if I remember correctly.   The minimum before you can withdraw is $1000.  I can't tell you how reliable the payout is because I have not done any cash out.  The most I've won at 5dimes is $100.  I've won $1500 at Grand Macau but end up losing due to the delays that I mention above.

Quote from: ADulay on June 17, 2016, 03:30:11 PM
Nah.  Went home and played online to make my +5 for the night.  Had an excellent connection for that time of the night which was unusual.

AD

What site do you play on?  I play on 5dimes.  Did two deposit of $200 each time.  Never got a chance to withdraw since I loss.  Had trouble with delays causing me to over/under bet.  1/3 of the time you only have about 2-3 seconds to bet because of delays.