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#91
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 04, 2017, 12:51:37 PM
Hi 6th-sense,

Also bear in mind that English is not moglizu's first language. It can be a frustrating thing when you have done your level best to explain something and then others just can't seem to comprehend it for love or money - and even after a certain amount of repetition too! Like yourself, I too was sufficiently intrigued by the "puzzle" as well. This whole "LINEARITY" concept was something novel to me and it certainly took a while for the penny to drop and the realisation to sink in. He has explained it all in the posts and if you "get it" you can see that there is a LOGICAL REASON why it *should* work as declared.
Having said that I have not had the time as of yet to test this to any acceptable degree; so I cannot endorse or bear out any claims made about it - but I feel it an exciting and promising idea and maybe a route to regular and sustained profits.
If a program could be made to encompass all 3 EC's at once then that would really be something! I also understand that this linear concept can be applied to the DOZENS in a special way as well, so maybe rewards can be reaped on those later on as well.
A.
#92
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 04, 2017, 11:22:18 AM
I tried a test session with it this morning and won +5u (my target) quite easily.

A.
#93
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 04, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
Quote from: plolp on March 04, 2017, 09:43:07 AM

" I repeat do NOT care about HOW MUCH the deviations are.... care ONLY about HOW MANY the deviations are."

Who can explain the difference between " how many " and "how much" ?


Hi plolp,

When you have your paper upon which you write and record the 4 events of the EC you will see all the Runs and Changes for each of the events - yes?

moglizu wrote:
Quote
You have to ADD in each spin the new Xs on the events.

Then you will have a GRAPH (on your paper) with 4 events and Xs on their RUNS and CHANGES

I put Xs because the eyes are understanding fast the imbalances .

***Every event that has 2 or more runs than changes or 2 or more changes than runs is being qualified***

If an event is pointing to bet on RED for balance and one other event is pointing in BLACK , then they are canceling each other so we have 0 value ( because 1-1=0).
***In order to bet you must have a value of 2 clear or more*** 

This rule is made because as I stated a lot of times what we care in order to gain the advantage is for the MOST events to be corrected (balanced) in every spin.



Now you can see it - it is not so much whether a single event shows any deviation - but HOW MANY deviations are occurring over all of the 4 events that you are tracking!

When you can see significant deviation in 'more than one event' (bearing in mind that moglizu said that it is very unlikely that many events can keep continuing to deviate for very long) then you can look to see if you are able to bet either on the run side or the change side whichever needs, as he puts it, "the MOST events to be corrected (balanced)"

You need to have at least 2 clear events that qualify (after any cancellations) because, and here I repeat what he says:

Quote
This rule is made because as I stated a lot of times what we care in order to gain the advantage is for the MOST events to be corrected (balanced) in every spin.


Hope this helps.
A.
#94
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 03, 2017, 01:47:35 PM
moglizu wrote:

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Let s just take for example ( this is what you are asking... examples) only EVENT no1.
EVENT no1 is comparison of the last 2 spins(R/B).

We have R R  this is a RUN (because from R it went to R again)
So we have

EVENT NO1
   R    C
   X

ozon wrote:

Quote
Crow is not right, we do not  use different EC

I agree.

A.
#95
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 03, 2017, 12:54:10 PM
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I am making a steady income with my method for 2 years now by playing only the RB in land based Casinos.

He prefers to play only the R/B even chance. 4 events cataloguing the Runs and Changes. Playing when there is deviation to bring into balance. According to his words earlier in the thread, these events are decided and determined by comparison to the LAST spin.

A.
#96
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 03, 2017, 11:03:59 AM
Chef wrote:
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I understand some of our concept but still can"t figure out how you play it.

I've tried and struggled to understand harder concepts.... Anyone remember James Albert Wendel (winwithmath) and his invisible math?   >:D  :scared:  :P

A.
#97
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 03, 2017, 10:50:35 AM
Nicely put, AMK.

Let us keep this a polite discussion about what appears to be something quite novel.
I have a feeling that this could turn out to be a very interesting topic indeed. I'm certainly looking forward to hearing any more info that moglizu cares to share with us about this LINEARITY method - especially if it can give an edge.

A.
#98
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 02, 2017, 05:09:32 PM
Hi James,

An event is a record of the Runs and Changes. (Streaks and Chops ; Series and Change)

For example

EVENT 1

Runs         Changes
x                     x
x
x

His system uses 4 events. You start compiling the events after 5 results are tracked always using the LAST decision in comparison to the others...

All the clues to do this are in his posts, so he says - worth re-reading

A.
#99
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 02, 2017, 08:55:27 AM
This is important.

moglizu said:

Quote
One or 2 events can grow a lot and can be unpredictable... BUT 3 or more events can t grow at the same time...
Bet on HOW MANY and not on HOW MUCH.

A.
#100
Even chance / Re: Re: The way to beat the ECs
March 01, 2017, 05:24:23 AM
Hi,

You have explained it as you said but a lot of people cannot understand the explanation which you gave. :)
I'm absolutely sure that YOU know what you're talking about though - but it would be really great if you can post a little example snippet to make it crystal clear to those like RG and myself exactly what you're on about....!?
If I knew exactly what you meant I could then write my own example on paper like you said.. and bet according to the deviations to test it more thoroughly and see, so even a small example would clarify and make clear.
Thank you in advance moglizu.

A.
#101
Even chance / Cyclic Sevens
February 02, 2017, 09:00:48 AM
Here I present an old roulette idea - betting every spin for 100 spins using FTL (FOLLOW THE LAST) on color in this example - but you can apply it to any reasonable EC selection method.
Betting using "Cycle of 7 bets" method. Why seven? Well I've tried it with 10 but 7 has always been regarded as a "mystical" number and there are a lot of cycles that operate on the number 7. (including our own life cycles)

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The number seven is important in many cultures and religions. There are seven steps to creating the Philosopher's Stone in the ancient science of Alchemy.
There are seven days in a week, seven virtues and seven vices as well as seven branches in a menorah. There are Seven Wonders of the World, seven sacred sciences and seven chakras. In Greek Mythology, seven is the symbol of the Virgin. It is not possible to construct a perfect heptagon or to divide the circle into seven equal portions using only simple geometric tools. Hence, seven is indivisible, unconquerable, and virginal.
To attempt to cite all the things included in this mystical number would require a large library...

FOLLOW THE LAST COLOR

Casino Wiesbaden 01 JUN 2010 - Table 3
===============================
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,28,No,0,0,0,0,500, *wait for 1st number

2,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
3,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
4,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
5,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
6,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
7,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Red
8,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : Red *503 stay@1u


9,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
10,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
11,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
12,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Black
13,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
14,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
15,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black *502 incr to 2u


16,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : Black
17,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : Red
18,30,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Black
19,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,498,2 : Red
20,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Red
21,15,Bet,2,4,-2,2,498,2 : Black
22,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Black *496 incr to 3u


23,35,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Red
24,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,490,3 : Black
25,23,Bet,3,6,-3,3,493,3 : Red
26,25,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Red
27,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Red
28,2,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Black
29,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,499,3 : Black *499 stay@3u


30,30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,496,3 : Black
31,8,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Red
32,2,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Black
33,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Black
34,20,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,490,3 : Red
35,29,Bet,3,6,-3,3,493,3 : Black
36,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Black *496 incr to 4u


37,25,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,492,4 : Black
38,18,Bet,4,8,-4,4,496,4 : Red
39,23,Bet,4,8,-4,4,500,4 : Red
40,10,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,496,4 : Red
41,13,Bet,4,8,-4,4,500,4 : Black
42,33,Bet,4,8,-4,4,504,4 : Black
43,6,Bet,4,8,-4,4,508,4 : Black *508 decr to 1u


44,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black
45,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black
46,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red
47,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Red
48,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black
49,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : Black
50,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : Black *511 stay@1u


51,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : Black
52,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Red
53,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : Black
54,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Black
55,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Red
56,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black
57,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black *508 incr to 2u


58,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red
59,30,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Red
60,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Red
61,33,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Black
62,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Black
63,7,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Red
64,36,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red *514 decr to 1u


65,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Red
66,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
67,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red
68,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Black
69,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Black
70,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
71,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red *515 stay@1u


72,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Black
73,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Black
74,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Red
75,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Black
76,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Black
77,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Red
78,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Red *514 incr to 2u


79,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : Black
80,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red
81,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516,2 : Red
82,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,2 : Red
83,15,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516,2 : Black
84,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,2 : Black
85,5,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516,2 : Red *516 decr to 1u


86,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Red
87,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Red
88,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Black
89,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Black
90,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Red
91,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,518,1 : Red
92,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,517,1 : Red *517 stay@1u


93,32,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Black
94,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red
95,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Black
96,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Red
97,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
98,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Red
99,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Red *516 incr to 2u


100,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,2 : Black
101,18,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516,2 : Red *516 - STOP (100 bets)

profit= +16u
max drawdown=14
highest bet=4
bets won 53; lost 47

Increase stakes by +1 if 7-bet result is less than previous 7-bet result; otherwise remain at same stake for next seven bets.
However if the result is equal or ahead of the OVERALL session high then reduce down to starting stake of 1u.

For quicker results/test maybe try with a reasonable win-goal using low stakes on online fastplay r.n.g?

Good luck,
A.
#102
Baccarat Forum / Re: Dominant Pairs
January 30, 2017, 11:13:48 AM
Session of "DOMINANT PAIRS" using my same rules in the topic header but now I try using a "betting string" progression idea:

1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-5....  (15 step   45u)

Start at Step 1 with a stake of 1u.

On a loss move one step to the RIGHT.
On a win move one step to the LEFT.

However, I ALWAYS restart from step 1 if a "level high" or "new high" in the bankroll is reached.


*   = level or new high in bankroll


Real baccarat session (Ties not shown)

First track 5 couplet pair results:
 
Pairs.....+/-........... Step for next bet
==========================
pp
bp
pb
bb
bp
pp         -1                    s2
pp         -2                    s3
pb         -1                    s2
bp         -2                    s3
bp         -1                    s4
bp        +1*                   s1
pp        +0                    s2
pp         -1                    s3
pb         +0                   s2
bb         -1                    s3
pb         -2                    s4
bb         +0                    s3
bb        +1                    s2
pb         +0                    s3
bp         -1                   s4
bb         -3                    s5
pp         -1                    s4
bb        +1*                    s3
pp       +2*                   s1
bp       +1                     s2
bp        +0                     s3
bb       +1                    s2
bp        +0                     s3
bp       +1                     s2
pb       +2*                    s1
pb       +3*                    s1
pp       +2                     s2
bp       +3*                    s1
bp       +4*                    s1
bb       +3                     s2
bb       +2                     s3
bp       +1                     s4
pp        -1                     s5
bb       +1                     s4
bb       +3                     s3
bp       +2                     s4
pp      +4*                     s1
pb      +3                      s2
pp      +4*                     s1
bb      +5*                     s1
bp      +4                      s2
pb      +3                      s3
pb      +4                      s2
bb      +3                      s3
pb      +4                      s2
bb      +3                      s3
pp      +2                      s4
bp      +0                      s5
pp      +2                      s4
bp       +0                      s5
pp      +2                      s4
pp      +4                      s3
pb      +3                      s4
pp      +5*                     s1
bb      +6*                     s1
====================
STOPPED +6u


It's a bit of a grinder - but seemed to fare quite well.


A.
#103
Baccarat Forum / Re: Dominant Pairs
January 29, 2017, 01:08:19 PM
Hi verrengia,

Thanks verrengia. Wow! Seems you already earlier formulated this code first!
Have you improved it since or got any playing/staking tips to share?
Thanks for your input. I like the method for same reasons as you stated.
Anyhow, always grateful for any further input should you care to share any points...

Thanks,
A.
#104
Baccarat Forum / Dominant Pairs
January 28, 2017, 10:14:16 AM
This can be a fun system that's easy to track and play.

For Baccarat - but can be applied to roulette as well (more even chances on roulette)

Example below uses even chance R/B ROULETTE results.

For instance RED/BLACK pairs (Banker/Player in baccarat)

Play dominant side of last 5 R/B 'pair results'.

Odd Pair = RB and BR

Even Pair = RR and BB

Best of 5 progression.
Reduce to 1u and start new cycle when level or new high.

Check for the DOMINANT side of the LAST 5 'pair results'  (odd or even pairs)
Wait for next decision (R or B) then play for the "dominant pair" results to continue eg: same (even) or opposite (odd)

Session result
===========

RR
BB
RB
RB
RB  Initial tracking of 5 pairs of R/B - odd is dominant side - play odd after next result.
BR  w+1 - play odd next
RR  L-1 - play odd next
BR  w+1 - play odd next
RB  w+1 - play odd next
BB  L-1  - play odd next          +1 stay at 1u for next cycle
BR  w+1 - play odd next
BB  L-1 - play odd next
RR  L-1 - play even next
BB  w+1 - play even next
RB  L-1 - play even next          +0 up to 2u for next cycle
BR  L-2 - play even next
BR  L-2 - play odd next
RR  L-2 - play odd next
RB  w+2 - play odd next
RB  w+2 - play odd next         -2 up to 3u for next cycle
RB  w+3 - play odd next
BB  L-3 - play odd next
BR  w+3 - play odd next
BR  w+3 - play odd next         +4 new high; down to 1u for next cycle
BR  w+1 - play odd next
BB  L-1 - play odd next
RB  w+1 - play odd next
RB  w+1                                 +6 (*stopped here*)

Or can use your own suitable progression idea or tweak.

Regards,
A.
#105
Baccarat Forum / Re: Sputnik's March
December 16, 2016, 06:34:36 AM
Hi mogul,

I've not played it for a while...
Basically the method is same as Sputnik's second march with the modifications:

I follow the chop after a complete fully formed single series until loss then stop + bet against "series of one" for ONE TIME ONLY but only if the last two complete series were 2 and 3 in any order...

I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different EC series

series 1 = single EC
series 2 = streak of 2 EC
series 3 = 3 or more streak of same EC

example1
-----------
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP

example 2
------------
r
r
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1
r - w+1
r - L-1  STOP
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet against series of 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP
r
r
r
b - last 2 series were 3 and 2 so bet against series of 1
b - w+1 STOP

r
r
r
b
b
b
b
b
r
r
r
b
r bet against series of 2
r L-1 stop        -1
r
b bet against series of 2
r w+1 bet against series of 2        +0
b w+1 bet against series of 2        +1
b L-1 stop       +0
r bet against series of 3
r L-1 stop        -1
r
r
b bet against series of 1
r L-1  stop       -2
b bet against series of 2
r w+1               -1
b w+1              +0
b L-1  stop       -1
r bet against series of 3
r L-1  stop       -2
b bet against series of 3
b L-1 stop       -3
b
r bet against series of 1
r w+1 stop      -2
b bet against series of 1
b w+1 stop     -1
r bet against series of 1
r w+1 stop     +0
r
b bet against series of 1
b w+1 stop     +1
b
r bet against series of 1
b L-1 stop       +0
r bet against series of 2
r L-1 stop        -1
b bet against series of 3
b L-1 stop        -2
r  bet against series of 3
b w+1              -1       
b L-1  stop       -2
r  bet against series of 3
b w+1              -1
r w+1               +0
b w+1               +1
b L-1 stop        +0
r bet against series of 3
r L-1                -1
r
b bet against series of 1
b w+1 stop     +0
b
r bet against series of 1
r w+1  stop     +1
r
r
r
r
b bet against series of 1
r L-1 stop      +0
b bet against series of 2
r w+1             +1
b w+1            +2
r w+1             +3
b w+1            +4
r w+1            +5
b w+1            +6
r w+1             +7
b w+1            +8
r w+1             +9
r L-1   stop    +8
r
b bet against series of 2                     
r L-1   stop    +7
b bet against series of 2
b L-1  stop     +6
r bet against series of 3
r L-1  stop      +5
b bet against series of 3
b L-1 stop       +4
r  bet against series of 3
r L-1  stop      +3
b bet against series of 3
r w+1              +4
b w+1             +5
b L-1              +4
r bet against series of 3
r L-1               +3
b

A.

PS. Forgot to say after a STOP I wait for next SERIES to completely form before making decision by looking at last 2 complete series!

PPS. When I say "last 2 series" I mean the last 2 different complete series recorded in the history... You may have to go further back than the actual last 2 series (if they are the same) to get the 2 different series required.
For instance even if the last 5 series were 2-2-2-2-3 then the "last 2 series" are 2 and 3 so you look to bet AGAINST series 1 forming...

Best regards,
A.