This is exactly what i do without the charting.  This is the easiest way to use probability to easily and consistently beat the even chances.  It can be done just using your naked eye, looking at the reds and blacks on the marquee.  Singles will always out number doubles, doubles will out number triples, etc.  With just a little practice this can be done with pure guessing flat betting.

In addition to watching and playing the series in the even chances, another technique i use is when i see a trend of even chances developing in the most recent 4-6 spins, i will flat bet against that trend for it to continue for 1 bet, essentially hoping to break the trend.  It is betting for the 'Anti-trend.' 

Ex:  RR BB RR....take a chance here and bet R next.  Bet against this double pattern to continue.
Ex:  R B R B......take a chance here and bet B next.  Bet against another single.
Ex:  RR B RR .......take a chance here and bet R next.

Random shows both trends and non trends in the short term.  The flip side is when you observe a 'non-trend ' sequence, you can also take a chance and bet 1 unit for a trend to begin to form.  With practice, this can be a valuable tool to give you an edge flat betting the even chances.  don't bet every spin, and don't chase a loss.  If you lose your first bet, WAIT for another opportunity to bet against or for a forming trend.  Random constantly goes back and forth, it cannot stay on a trend for very long, it wants to change.  that's the true nature of random.  Think random, think chaos, and the game will start to play 'your game.'

Believe it or not, this alone can give you a significant edge flat betting.  Be patient, be selective in your bets, be surgical and bet when random is showing weakness, which is after a visible trend has formed.  Yes trends can go on for long periods of time, but those should be the times you avoid.  Look for other opportunities in O/E, H/L.

GG,

In your experience with this method of play, is playing with flat betting a consistent winner, loser, or break even? (With a proper stop loss)  Is it neccessary to do the cyclic progression to come out on top long term?

Thanks

Quote from: GGasoft on May 01, 2013, 04:24:25 AM

Dispersion killing


Is when you buy your loses for a minimum amount of money , and you sell your hits for as much as you can.


Over and over again...


GGasoft

Please use a practical example.

Quote from: GGasoft on May 01, 2013, 03:53:29 AM
Grettings this is the master dispersion killer.


Im glad to be here with you for a limited time.


Im one of the few real pros on roulette around the world , if some one has a question about , our dispersion killing art.


I will answer.


Cheers.

Enlighten me.  Explain dispersian killing, and how it is used and i will show you how to win flat betting.

Quote from: spike on March 21, 2013, 02:08:15 AM
Because I never want to do the same thing twice
at the same casino. You never want to become
pigeon holed for always making the same bets.

Guess why.

How many casinos do you regularly play at?  No matter how many different techniques you use, surely they have seen you many times before and could easily see you are a consistent winner like you fear.

Quote from: spike on March 21, 2013, 01:40:33 AM
Depends on what I'm doing that day. Sometimes
I just use the board. I never sit at the table, ever.
And no its not hit and run, just because you don't
sit there with the other chumps doesn't mean its
hit and run.

If you can in fact do it just looking at the board, why not just stick with that?  Visually looking at the board is clearly easier and less of a pain in the behind than writing things down.

Quote from: spike on March 21, 2013, 12:20:57 AM

My goal is always paramount in my mind, how to make
it in as few bets as possible. The last thing I want is
for the pit to say "Here comes that guy who bets and
bets and always leaves a winner." I want to get in and
get out before they hardly know I'm there.

First you have to learn how to win, but that's only half of it.
Now you have to learn to get away with it in the casino.

And you do this with a pad and pencil and still write whatever you do down?

Quote from: spike on March 17, 2013, 02:07:53 PM

Or not. You must spend a lot of time waiting
in a real casino, because 'corrections' in whatever
form certainly don't obey a timetable. You're
doing what many players do, you've identified
a sequence of events that you have a small edge
on and you patiently await those events to manifest.
Much like Gizmo's method on dozens or his Global
Whatchamacallit. This can go very fast playing actuals
on a computer, and take many hours in a real casino
betting real money, even playing more than one table.

Your not paying attention and didn't read carefully.  I didn't say that is the whole picture, that is only part of it.  When a correction does come I am ready to take advantage but by no means am I waiting for it.  In the mean time, i am playing within the typical pure random stream of singles, doubles, triples, etc...  i can play inside a typical random stream for long long periods, and if im not winning, im breaking even, which is what most players can't do.  When the variance is in my favor with my bets, i win.

Quote from: Blood Angel on March 17, 2013, 11:07:31 AM
Hi II I III II I III

When you say the above, would you clarify your thinking for me?
If it goes
R
R
B
R
R
we can see 2 doubles and a single...my question is...
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
Lets take the  B R B part. Is that three singles or is it a triple because it's a series?

Thanks in advance.

BRB is 3 singles.  In my opinion the only way anyone can play this way is with practice.  You need to be able to see what you have, anticipate what might be coming, and know when and when not to bet.  Every bet is a guess, but with experience you can come out on top flat betting.  You have to look at the entire history, the past 16-20 spins to make a decision.  A truly random stream will have pretty even amount of switching with more singles than doubles, more doubles than triples, more triples than 4+, etc...

When the stream is not showing true random, you can wait, and with practice get proficient at when the correction may be coming.  If you are correct, those can be the most valuable times.  You only have to get a little more than half of your bets correct.  Even if you are breaking even at 50%, your still doing better than just about everyone else.

Your short example above shows 4 singles, 2 doubles and 1 quad.  A fairly typical random sequence.  You can be cautious here with singles as the next few bets because theyve already shown what you would expect in that short sample.

Quote from: spike on March 14, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
It never balances and even thinking that way
when playing is a minefield.

It never balances and that's how it can be exploited.  Of course there will never be the same amount of triples as singles.  Singles will always out number doubles.  Doubles will always out number triples etc... This is balance in a perfect random sequence.  You know what to expect, and this is how it can be taken advantage of.  Whenever a particular sequence is showing 'un-balance' like tons of triples, and longer streaks, i know that a correction is right around the corner.  Those can be the most profitable times.

Quote from: Gizmotron on March 10, 2013, 04:22:45 PM
So you make an experienced guess. Spike will love that, a new phrase.

Exactly!  I don't know if i'm doing what he does, all i know is what I am doing is working, and everyday I'm trying to make it better.

Quote from: Chrisbis on March 10, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
@ II I III II I III

Hi there.
Are you able to say what your play system is?
chris

Its not a system, it is a reaction to tons of practice along with alot of discipline.  Through experience I know how a random stream of spins typically behaves.  I know the window of how many singles, doubles and triples typically show themselves within 20 spins and where.  When the stream is not behaving in what I tend to expect with my experience, its simple, I don't bet.  I wait for conditions to change and I anticipate the change, or I walk to another table.

Quote from: spike on March 10, 2013, 03:13:35 PM

Maybe, maybe not. You can't know that. Are
you the same guy who uses a bar code for
his name on the VLS forum?

that's not a 'barcode,' those are series of singles, doubles, and triples.  Same name as on VLS.  My brief time on VLS was a learning period, still trying to understand the game and the best way to play.  I have now found my way, and I can do it consistently in the casino and on Weisban spins with roulette xtreme.

Quote from: Sputnik on March 10, 2013, 11:20:36 AM

Nice results and now some questions !!!
What is you daily bankroll or for each session ?
I understand that your win goal is  5 ...
What % is that in relation to what you are prepeared to risk ?

Believe it or not, since i've been doing this, my bank is 5 units, or 5 chips.  I'm prepared to risk the 5 units, but i've never reached -4 after starting a bad session.  If I start -3, i'm very cautious, and tend to come back slowly to even before going into profit.  If i'm not winning, i'm usually breaking even.  It's usually always a slow grind.