Quote from: Sputnik on March 07, 2018, 05:51:37 PM
Very nice stats JL - thanks ...

Cheers

Thankyou Sputnik. They are to be EXPECTED. If you stick faithfully to the system.LONGTERM.

Quote from: CoderJoe on March 07, 2018, 05:24:58 PM
I still don't see how that improve the odds. And John doesn't do any of that, he just plays a few games at a time and miraculously it results in 10-1 instead of 7-1. I code the simulation the same way but somehow that's unacceptable and the results are deemed invalid. 

Actually as I write this my strikerate stands at 13.26--1.

PBR has improved EVERYTHING. Using random to beat random so to speak. And the first game of the day is something else now.

My greatest year to date for the first game is 2013. I finished the year 352--13. For this year so far I am 63--3. Its looking very good.

Quote from: CoderJoe on March 07, 2018, 04:41:17 PM
Why are you more likely to hit a winning bet if you hit and run? Sure there are winning and losing sequences, that's just variance but you can't know in advance when the bad sequences will arrive. Playing a few games at a time doesn't change this, how could it?

I said it isn't a continuous flow. I coded it as 5 games at a time and then skip100-150 spins. And anyway my tests show it makes no difference. Are you really suggesting that the difference between a win-rate of 10-1 and 7-1 is down to hit and run? And if that was true why would you need to play pattern breaker? A simpler system which didn't require any waiting would do just as well if hit and run was the key to success!

It comes down to random entry into the cycle. Sure there's an element of luck here. I've experimented in the past. I've taken a winning game and started it JUST ONE SPIN EARLIER. And it LOST.

That's the beauty of random entry. At the same time you HAVE TO BE WORKING within that 100 game frame..This is why too many people never REALLY know if a system works or not. They will play a handful of games. Lose too many then dismiss the system as a loser.

As I stated before. If I were such a pessimistic negative person. I would have dropped pattern breaker after the first 25 games. IT LOST 🛑5🛑 Times. Its what happened in the next 75 games that made me realize roulette is INDEED a PERCENTAGE GAME.

And 100 game set after 100 game set. The same thing.

91-9
90-10
92-8
89-11
93-7
89-11
90-10
94-6
93-7
91-9

That was the breakdown of my first 1000 games of PB. And had I been a negative thinker like most people on these forums. I would never have realized its INCREDIBLE CONSISTENCY..And carried on system hopping FOREVER. Developing the negative attitudes all too prevalent on forums like these.

You put the EFFORT IN. You be BOTHERED to play it properly..And not rely on some unrealistic simulator as your yeigh or neigh to even start a system.

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on March 07, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
May I chip in my half cent,

CoderJoe is right, JL is right too, they just on different parrarel time plane.

When Coderjoe simulate 20k test, it continuously,  the 24 hours casino  table also continuously,

So assume Coderjoe simulation computer need 24hours, to work through the 20k test,
and he start the test at 6am, after he start the test,
he brushes his teeth and take a bath, after dressing up, he take a look at this simulation,
he notice the tens of win, a few losses, and the current bet produces a win...
Then after breakfast, have a look again,
"Ahh, the current a hit, and the tens of win and few losses in between. .",he murmured.
Hours later, take a look again,
After lunch,  have a look again,
At 2pm, take a look again,
After evening tea, look again,
After dinner, look again,
After an hour, look again,
in short, he peeks every hourly through the 24hours period.
What he found when he sneak in and  peek?
The result when he peeked show win, and only once show loss!

Nothing wrong with the simulation test, it right throughout,
But Coderjoe didn't look at the screen for 24hours continuously!
If he did, then , he  looked at losing bets.

He only peeks, intervaly, hourly.

Now in  the casino 24hour table, the wheel spins continuosly 24hours,
JL walk in , every few day interval, and win more than he lose,
if he sit at and bet continuosly 24/7/365, well, he loses his underwear,  before new year eves!


The real math equation, should be...
What the %, of win/lose,
when JL, sit in and start to bet ONCE, at that particular moment of the day?=1/7

Yes I can agree with this. The system played in conjunction with limited selections. What most term HIT & RUN. Is what makes it a success.

Jumping in and out of variances minefield. Will be enough to weather the storm. Or so it has proven. And ensure you end a 100 GAME CYCLE. IN THE BLACK. NOT IN THE RED. No pun intended.

What someone who is self absorbed in all the negatives can't understand or refuse to. Is all the elements that make the game appear unbeatable in the long run. Only apply when you play CONTINUOUSLY.

I have absolutely no argument. That if you sat there and played PB all day. You will lose. Absolutely you will.

But when applied to a select number of games. It becomes a totally different ball game literally.

Then you also learn how to PROFIT FROM LOSSES. That's right. Most of you fear losing. That's why you never play this game for REAL. You will test, evaluate. Summarize your lives away.

Without ever putting the real stuff on the line. For fear of LOSING. The beauty of having stuck with this system for 11 years. Is I know it inside out. I know its behaviour like clockwork.

And the fact that is loses around 7--10 times every 100 games. Can be utilized to the players advantage. One thing that's special about PB is BACK TO BACK losses don't happen very often.

You will get a double loss on average once every 30 to 40 LOSSES. You see right there I've just given you a system WITHIN A SYSTEM. That will make you PROFIT FOR ALLTIME.

And that's why EVEN if I have a poor 100 game set. Where I only win 12 UNITS from the straight games themselves. I've actually won at least 24. Because the game immediately after a loss. I will double up. And the strikerate for that is 38--1 at present.

You see LOSING can actually turn into WINNING. If you have something with that kind of consistency. And you only get this confidence. By sticking with the system long enough to learn what works and what doesn't...

Quote from: alrelax on March 07, 2018, 06:56:03 AM
And i don't believe i was disrespectful or anything similar in my posting??

And you came on your thread and could not offer the professionalism of an answer???

I figured so.

Apologies if you think I ignored you. Nothing to sell. It only requires your PATIENCE. A quality few possess. Can you stay with this for 1000 🛑REAL GAMES🛑 TO SEE ITS VALUE.

that's what you have to bring. And those who can start to realize the games beatable. There just arent enough PATIENT people pkaying it. Which perpetuates the myth that its not.

Quote from: TheMagician on March 06, 2018, 07:19:25 PM
It´s simple. He is trying to peddle horse sh*t as pure gold, and yet it is not even gold (were it true).

Having gone through his "system" I can say it is a bust on the long run. Having built complex systems and platforms with very complex multi-layered probability algos that can analyze any online wheel within minutes after a specific set of spins, the best platforms I have offered my own team over at VRTech can make them 100-300 units a session (60-70 minutes) with a chance of 60% to come through.

The most experienced test pilots are using a bankroll of 100 units and consequently count their profits in the hundreds of percent, while those driving a more careful game with a higher bankroll count a more modest 50-100% RORC (Return On Risk Capital). Do I sell these platforms? No I do not as the test results and Real money sessions by my team return sufficient data to improve them for my own RM games.

Do my team members make money? Sure, those who choose to play for real instead of going for the fun option and mere testing, have made thousands of euros over the past two years. The secret has been, training, practice, discipline (in watching the probability indicators and variance curves the platforms offer them as help during real-time gaming), enjoyment and a good return found in the faith and appreciation of something that consistently produces a profit.

Have they, or I, ever been barred from an online Casino for making too much profit? Never. The myth of Casinos fearing players or gamblers winning sums that pales in comparison to their daily incomes from the greater herd of guaranteed losers is just that, a myth. Usually, this myth is upheld by those who never tried to win big and BIG very often, and on that withdrawing said sums a couple of times each month.

Playing roulette with lower expectations and outcomes than the above mentioned is not a viable way of earning money on this game nor having a certain measure of entertainment while doing it.

Our dear John Legend presents bold claims, and "stats" without solid proof to those who buys his old-fashioned (suicidal) EC based pattern breaker. Roulette has been around since the 18th century. Not a single player, or gambler, has ever been able to consistently win or more correctly produce a continuous profit on EC bets. NOT IN ANY combination, an order of permutations, or sequence stops, or the inverse. Not one. That is why the Casino flourish and gladly have the limits on the EC chances high to extremely high (Monte Carlo Salon Prive).

Those here who know me, know that what I am talking about is true. In the face of Variance, EC betting is ultimately a broke customer, add Martingale to that, and DEAD is just the beginning of this tragic saga of ignorance and make-believe.

There are a lot of "John Legends" out there. Then there are true legends, known by a few, and a reality to even fewer. You want to become one - then abandon the idea that any EC game with a Martingale infusion will make you a consistent winner at the roulette table. It would be like telling a Baccarat player that playing the TIE at certain sequences of appearing banker and player hands is a sure thing.

You are mistaken.

Casinos don't flourish because they cannot be beaten. They flourish because the MIND breaks long before a good system like PB. People can't stay with something LONG ENOUGH.There are not ENOUGH people with my mindset playing the game. If there were the gaming industry would be in trouble. When I first started playing PB in 2007 I lost 4 of my first 20 games. FOR MOST. They would have already turned their back on the system after that. SO WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? I won 36 games in a row. And finished my first 100 game set 90--10. If I consistently win an average of 92 times out of 100. With a system that requires 88 wins out of 100 to come in 4 units over break even point. Am I winning or losing? When these online casinos start shutting me down send me your email. And I will show you fear. ONCE it twigs in their greedy brains that they are never getting their money back.

I told you before. And I will tell you again. Roulette is a PERCENTAGE GAME. Nothing more, nothing less. Find a system that can turn a profit consistently over 100 games. And you have the game beaten. In 11 years and over 14,000 games the worst result PB has ever given me is 89--11.

In other words 89 units won. 11 times 7=77 units lost. A net of 12 units. That's my worst result. My best result ever. 94 units won. 6 times 7=42 units lost. A net of 52 units.

And most of the time the split is around 91--9. You see that for 11 years. You know you have something..Nobody can tell me otherwise. The results that unfolded in REAL TIME. Tell me all I ever need to know.

Quote from: Sputnik on March 06, 2018, 09:46:06 AM
JL i will test playing PB and try to copy your play/game.
Is there anything i need to change on the list?

1) Start each game with one Banker bet and after that lower you bet size until you quit playing or reach a loss.

I have acconts and money on following online casinos:

a) 5Dimes
b) Sbobet
c) Bet365
d) Unibet
e) William Hill
f) Betfair

How many session do you play each day - early day time - middle day time - late day time ??
And how come you spread all your bankroll into so many online casino - is there a strategic reason for that ??

Cheers

Hi Sputnik. I play 5 to 10 games per day NEVER MORE.

My first game of the day is played between 3.30am and 6.00am. Then I will have breakfast and play two more games. I will play one to 3 games between 12 to 3pm. And 1 to 3 games between 5 to 8pm.

Still that first game out performs them all.

No simulator will EVER replicate what happens in the real world..Computer nerds who haven't got the patience to even play 100 REAL GAMES. Want to tell me they know what will be. Because a flawed unreliable simulator showed them a graph.

It doesn't work. You have to play REAL GAMES. With a live dealer. At various times throughout the day to mirror my results.

Not test a bunch of spins. Then tell me im telling porkies. Because they didn't match what I claimed to achieve.

The EXACT reason I don't sit there all day like a gormless fool playing incessantly, is because I KNOW I WOULD LOSE.

PBR married together with H&R is invincible. It will be making me money for life. Along with the 2 step version I now play aswell.

Were I to sit there and play 100 games a day. I WOULD LOSE MONEY. I am under no illusions about that.

But you just cannot get this fact into a math obsessed computer geeks head. They don't get this and neverwill.

As Brett Morton said in his great book PLAYING TO WIN. Einstein claimed the only way to win at roulette..was to steal the money when the dealer wasn't looking.

But Einsteins attitude never stopped him from making his living from roulette. And it will never stop me.

You can have TOO MUCH respect for math and all the bunk put forward. To stop you from EVEN TRYING..And the people who fall for that B.S will die believing this game is invincible.

Sad for them. I will play PATTERN BREAKER in all its incarnations for the rest of my life. And leave the blueprint in my will for my children and their children. Should they want to make their own money and way in life. Without having to take orders from anyone. Be their own person. That's what PB affords any who stay with it faithfully.

The reason I use so many accounts Sputnik is simple..I have to stay under the radar as best as I can..Once these bastards realize you have them beat. They will shut you down. They only want losers. Once they know you will ALWAYS be winning money in the longterm. You are enemy number one. That's why I have to rotate my play. Never play at the same casino more than twice a week.

If I had one or two accounts..And im taking 500 to a 1000 off them every week. It won't be long before they stop me. If im taking 25 to 50 off 11 accounts. There will be plenty taking alot note than that. So I won't stand out. Do you get me Sputnik??

Quote from: Sputnik on March 05, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
Thank for your answer JL ...

I have one last question - how do you track for results using online casinos ...

Ask because i don't like to be online with live table and not place bets - then after some time being not active you need to enter again or push and click on some functions to let the live feed stay alive.
One solution i been looking at is that some casinos with live wheels have a live score board with live results that you can view before entering the game - is that how you do it?

Cheers

Sputnik the beauty of online casinos is they're FAST. I ALWAYS. Count the first 10 numbers on the board. And use them first then go from there. Because they spin the ball around twice a minute online and PBR finds your bet inside 50 numbers the vast majority of the time. Most games are over in 15--20 minutes with 36 spins being the average number of spins to close the 7th pattern. When you allow random to choose for you. In a real casino A game of PB could take 2 hours plus. That's why I favour online.

Quote from: Sputnik on March 05, 2018, 06:51:58 PM
JL you wrote you make some kind of Banker bet - is that a three step Marty with higher unit size - for example 5 10 20 - after that i understand you play with lower unit size until you lose or go home with profit - is that correct understanding.

How many times with real play have you experience two loses after each other?
Read about another member at other forum board who made around 300/400 session and encounter to loses after each other once or twice - do you have the same experience.

JL how does a visit to the casino look like - i could after a simple test see that you get a trigger after 30/40 spins tracking all EC positions.
Do you play all three when the qualify?

When do you take a break for some soda and sandwish - do you take a break and tracking several tablies in the same time.
Do you play online or only real casino.

Cheers

Hi Sputnik.

Yes I play the first game of the day as my banker. It has the best performance. In 2013. I won 352 days and lost 13. that's how good that first bet can be. Last year I won 347 and lost 18. It performs above the other bets of the day. That's why its my banker.

Back to back losses are rare for me. In my last 100 losses. 2 were back to back Sputnik. So its AN EXCELLENT. Oppurtunity to make EXTRA PROFIT. And recover most if not all of the previous loss. Its very powerful.

I've played in real casinos. But mostly play online. I live in the UK so we have it easy. I have 11 online accounts.

Quote from: Mr J on March 04, 2018, 07:37:58 PM
Even chances >> Nope

Pattern >> Nope

1-2-4 progression >> Nope

11 years of winning success YUP!

I've heard nothing but bad things about you Mr pessimistic. But you need to know a system doesn't turn a profit for 11 years and counting without having something.

Pattern breaker in all the forms I play it 3 step 2 step. Makes no difference. In a 100 game set. The outcome is ALWAYS THE SAME. 🛑PROFIT🛑 The only thing I cannot predict is HOW MUCH. It can be anything from 12 units to 60 units now with the superior revised version.

But I will be making a living from this system until I draw my last breath. Played properly and faithfully. It has this game beaten for ALLTIME.

It comfortably grinds out 10% yield on a bankroll per week. that means someone starting with just 200 units at the beginning of the year will have over 29,000 units by the end of the year.

I said the pattern breaker concept played for 3 steps or 2 steps. Is the greatest AFFORDABLE AND PLAYABLE system of alltime for a reason. It WORKS......

Quote from: CoderJoe on March 03, 2018, 01:49:12 PM
Hi guys, I've attached the results of a simulation of PATTERN BREAKER. I used a kind of generic EC, labels 0 & 1, and there is no house edge of any kind but that doesn't detract from the results. Here are the first 3 games in the output file which I've attached :

*** GAME #1 ***
Waiting for 7 unique patterns...
111
001
011
001
000
110
111
001
100
010

Opposite of remaining pattern :010
1 Bank :  -1
1 Bank :   1
Bank after game #1:   1   W

*** GAME #2 ***
Waiting for 7 unique patterns...
101
101
001
111
011
001
100
101
101
011
111
101
000
101
100
110

Opposite of remaining pattern :101
1 Bank :   2
Bank after game #2:   2   W

*** GAME #3 ***
Waiting for 7 unique patterns...
111
110
101
101
000
101
000
001
001
011
101
010

Opposite of remaining pattern :011
0 Bank :   3
Bank after game #3:   3   W

And here are the final results after 20,000 games:

------ SUMMARY ------

Final Balance : 104 units
Gain from Wins = 17513
No. Busts = 2487
Check : 17513 - 2487 x 7 = 104
Ratio of wins:busts : 7.04 to 1

The final balance of +104 is almost certainly due to there being no house advantage, and given that, it's not statistically significant anyway. The ratio of wins to busts is right about where it should be assuming no house edge.

To be honest I wasn't expecting anything different. I'm not denying that John Legend may have had a lot of success with his system, only that it's probably due to sheer luck. If I knew exactly how many games he has played I could figure out just how lucky he has been.

Over the last 11 years Mr coder I have played over 14,000 games. There may be an element of luck involved. But I know of three others who make their living from this system. So it cannot be ALL LUCK.

You must understand that no system that can be played for as little as 3 units is bullet proof. No realisitic playable system ever has been or everwill be.

ROULETTE IS A PERCENTAGE GAME. Nothing more nothing less.

Once you have a system that can show a profit over the ultimate denomination of percentage. 🛑100🛑 You have the game beaten. At least in a mans lifetime.

And that is where the pattern breaker concept wins. In its revised format it is capable of winning over 20 times in a row at LEAST ONCE in every hundred games. And never fails to do so.

NOW! You all know what a parlay is. Imagine YOU KNOW. That in every frame of 100 games you at some point are going to have AT LEAST one winning streak of AT LEAST 20 games in a row.

Do I have to spell out the potential here?

You parlay

1-2-4
2-4-8

Etc for 20 in a row. You get 50 units of profit at win 20. 14 wins in a row is break even point. PBR has no trouble stringing together 4 to 5 streaks of 14 plus in a 100 games including at least ONE set of 20 plus.

I just came off a 54 game streak. You have to think about these things. And stop worrying about bot simulations. They in no way represent real roulette.

Just as an RNG doesn't. Playing 5 to 10 games a day. With random entry into variances cycle. Cannot ever be faithfully replicated in an artificial simulator. Im sorry but it can't. I wouldn't have been successful. And others I know on other forums wouldn't have either. Playing continuously. In a robotic fashion.

There's a distinct difference playing a limited set of games. On a real wheel with a real dealer. There truly is.

But the lazy who want all the anwsers yesterday. The jaded impatient system hoppers will never know this.

So spend years jumping from one system to another. And achieving no real profit building.

That takes them to a level they only have to play 3 or 4 games a day to be and living money level. Add in a nice parlay or two each month. And you are good to go.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 26, 2018, 08:16:53 PM
Just for clarification purposes, after 7 different permutations you are betting against the 8th possible permutation/pattern?


If that's the betting principle then Albalaha would argue about the validity of the reasoning.


I don't consider myself as an expert on EC's betting, that's why I've mentioned user Albalaha who, according his mentality, considers every bet selection to be the same and only a money management could make the difference.


I'm somewhat neutral regarding EC betting but I would like to be further explained the reasoning about WHY it IS better or NOT.


Thank you

I don't get too philosophical about the reason it works. All I know is putting random on the spot to show you that 8th pattern IMMEDIATELY after that 7th pattern is SUPERIOR. To say waiting on 6 reds and hoping they don't become 16 reds.

Its got alot more certainty to it. It can be molded to suit your pocket and nerve. On another forum for example. One of the members there has been playing PB with great success for several years. Just betting the FIRST 2 STEPS of the prog. 1--2. They average 12--1 doing that. In other words for every 12 units they win. They lose 3. Giving a net of 9 units on average every 13 games.

Quote from: wannawin on February 27, 2018, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for answering. an indiscreet question: if the system is good enough then why publish it? Is it not better to keep it a secret?? you are the exception to the norm . If you ask anyone who has a solid method for 11 years of continued use I do not think he will let it go so easily for the casinos to know.

Because wannawin Human beings wouldn't play a system in great numbers no matter how long it turned a profit.

PB is a PERCENTAGE GRINDER. It works over the longterm. There is no rocket science or great drawdowns. Huge bankroll required.

It asks of the player one thing. DO YOU HAVE THE PATIENCE TO WAIT FOR SUCCESS. And the answer to that wannawin. Is the vast majority of human beings DO NOT. Over 90%

As soon as they lose a game or three. Or have a poor 100 game set. Where they only make 12 UNITS of profit. The enthusiasm wanes. And the MIND asks what's NEXT.

That's why I can publish this and have zero worries. Not even 5 people on this forum will STAY with this.

When I began playing PB 11 years ago. I lost 4 of my first 20 games. Now you tell me. How many people would even carry on if that happened to them? VERY FEW.

Then after that poor start. I won 38 games in a row. And finished my 100 game set 92--8. Or in other words 36 units of profit.

Quote from: Sputnik on February 26, 2018, 04:57:21 PM
Welcome back John Legend - it make me really happy to read about your succés ...

Cheers

Sputnik nice to hear from you..Its been a while.

Yes wannawin I am he, I consider it the greatest roulette concept and strategy of alltime wannawin. Its never failed me in 11 years. I have just come off a 54 game winning streak. Allowing random to select your bet for you made the system much stronger. And faster.

Random steers you away from the losing game more often. Than if you just stay on the same even chance. There is also the phenomena of what I call the perfect storm.

That is when you get 7 patterns of an even chance form in the minimum number of spins 21. You then  go all in against the 8th pattern. A perfect storm is probably the safest three step marty bet in existence. In 430 games..I have only lost 8 times. You must cover the Zero if you get one of these gems. Its the only thing that can upset the party most of the time. And I have had a winning streak of 67 games with them.