Hi asym, how are you?
Can I ask you a question for your opinion? But also to everyother that is reading this.

For you play 24/24h (example) have the same result to play 1 hour at day for 24 days?

No calculating emotion, etc etc.. imagine that we are robot.

Also with random walk etc that can be infinite, play 24h straight or 1h for 24 days. Will have same results or we will have more variance with 24h straight?
(obviously with the same MM/STRATEGIES in both the case)

Hope I explain well what I was meaning thanks!

For me isn't just the bet selection or the money management so not just where and how much to bet, but also the entire PLAN to follow.

Because obviously losing sessions will arrive, so in my opinion and facts the game ""can be beat"" more with the plan that just with where and how much to bet.

Then the MM and STRATEGY is a way to make the plan easier most of time or almost trying to make it easier.

Sure that then the plan is the mix of mm / strategy and fixed rule / concept to follow in every session with a finale goal.

Ps. Who success in baccarat most of time use differente approach from eachother, exist group of people that have similar approach but then everyone have his personal methods/ways.

In my humble opinion seems that also if person X have a good plan/mm/strategies that work if someone will use his same things will have different result I don't know if is a mental fallacy but in my opinion is like that.

Hi ASYM, I write a pm to you!

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on February 16, 2026, 03:42:15 AMThanks for your understanding and no need to apologize my friend.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on February 15, 2026, 09:49:43 PMSorry whatwswhats, for some reasons I was forced to erase your reply and the original post of mine.
Mates I play with do not tolerate anymore too detailed informations about our possible strategies.

Basically we think that considering the game under the asym/sym profile is one of the few opportunities to get a possible edge, a thing that it seems you have already investigated in the past.

More later

as. 

I understand you. I also don't like sharing too much information publicly, especially because 99.99% of people even if they had a   "100% sure win" strategy (which doesn't exist) would still end up losing money.
If you have time or would like to talk privately, we can exchange useful information surely, then the fact that you deleted the post confirms that I was giving too much good info but also you so it's okay.
I appreciate it, and I apologize if I went too far in the post by sharing more information publicly.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on February 09, 2026, 02:16:19 AMInteresting bankroll managements, yet we personally don't consider the word "session" simply because by flat betting all of the time we take the game as a kind of "infinite" proposition that cannot be splitted by how many shoes or hands we play at a given day other than by a long term winning probabilities schedule.

Anyway the fact that a given entire bankroll cannot be wasted within multiple "sessions" should be interpreted as a possible sign of an EV+ strategy.

as.

was about my post?

I use word session because I don't use flat betting.
buy in and bankroll, bet selection and mm + a plan fixed is the way for me to make it.

Losing buy in arrive obviously but like said before, before that happen we are in profit or will be next.
and yes for me this is the ev+ plan.

the continue research/create of strategies/mm is always then to reduce volatility not for make more money etc.. if you think.

in this case with my plan I reduce the volatility not in a single session but in example, 10 sessions.
(I play online so it's easier and faster)

Me personally have multiple plan:

Compounding and single buy in.

1. Compounding
I do a 3/5% per session until 20/30 session (then i withdraw obviously etc.. you already know what the possibility are) obviously there will be losing session etc but a good % of time enough to win in medium term we can reach the 3/5% session.

2. Single buy in
a 10/20 unit buy in with a 30/50% of goal net win of buy in
also this after a month will be in profit.

i don't use the 1/3mm but anyway after x time prefixed based on % or month or anything a part will be pocket and another one in the bankroll that then automatically can increase the quantity of buy in or the amount of single buy in

Hi ASYM as always love your post to study and mix with mine idea, what I want to ask you is in your stats/info pratically can be a good idea wait for the main road to give an S-A to bet that the second pattern of the byb will be an A? Because of correlation of hands or is just a fallacy or I didn't see something?

Because of what I read it means in my mind that we can create strategies of bet selection based on multiple road pratically.

1. Because after the first S is more probable an A then an S, just firsts pattern because then the result are effected by previous result.

2. The A/S are cyclical or similar to every road or you find something interesting also on the derive?

3. You write a lot of interesting things during time, I grouped all of them in a personal docs so to have better clear and visual concept and I see that you at the end about of A/S concept that seems your principal concept about your game, you write multiple bet selection/trigger or how you want to call them.
You think that it's better a random walk with a random good strategy / bet selection or a random walk with always and forever a fixed bet selection?

In my idea is better the first option, obviously the random bet selection (that can be like your asym/sym concept etc) is followed in 2/3 random walk or based on +1/2 unit win, and then change so switch between them.

What do you think?

Ps. For me I'm a professional like you and other that win with baccarat/even chance game, (not always but what I do is a monthly result so at the end of the month with a plan of specific buy in / net profits goal etc I'm in positive also if some month can be a grind)
So my question aren't to ask the """"holy grail"""" but just to have other professional and interesting player opinion.

Me personally didn't talk with anyone about casino and probably exist other people like me or also like you that if we give each other idea / concept it will surely give an boost of efficiency.

Then everyone have their secret and this is obviously but when you talk about asym/sym without give a "DO X AND THEN Y" but just concept etc for who is good at this game and use their brain, what you explain is enlightening then to people like me to make your concept, "mine".

And it's good because it's a sort of legacy, because anyway 99% or more of people also with the """"HG""""" will lose so give this info like what you do, it's like give a clear and meanwhile encrypted message for just who know what to do with this info also if then take times to elaborate etc.

So thanks.

Me personally skip the first hand of the shoes because i use multiple virtual player, and my asym/sym is based on W/L of every virtual player, and it work like that WWWW/LLLL and WLWL/LWLW are the sym, all other combinations are the asymmetrical, so I use 4 hand "pattern", skipping first hand (because some player had different strategies so to start all together I start from the second hand ( first is registered anyways because is important for some virtual player)

Thing that asym/sym is different from yours or can be good?

Then after you talk about the other road I'd like to think and work on a random walk+random road and registered all together (in my spreadsheet) every 4 hand / segment a new shoes / new road/ different road of same shoes.

and I have different spreadsheet based on trigger of asym/sym like

bet after a SS or after A
after SS or AA
After S
or double AA in block of 2 so

example
A
( now bet for A )
close block of 2 start a new block etc..

what do you think?

stats are good but I'm not sure if all this work is effectively good to reduce volatility and result or is just a fallacy.

You didn't explain in that post what was for you ASYM/SYM pattern

But then everyone can have their ASYM/sum pattern so it's okay, mine are a tweaked version of what you explain some times ago, (tweaked for me then didn't know if it's better or not)

I created a spreadsheet where I can track simultaneously the 4 road with all the result of mine pattern ASYM/sum situation etc..

What you say is creating a random strategy with a random walk so random+random

So didn't take the result from a single road but mix multiple road together that theorically and pratically when we bet the result are always 2 so maths say that, and isn't important what happen before etc but in this case we are creating a game in the game so in pratically mix that multiple road with a random walk and the asym/sym concept with max 2 bet per trigger (I personally use multiple virtual player trigger so can happen that I can bet just one time per trigger) mix this with multiple road, is effectively give us a lower volatility?

Because at the end for me but I think for who make this as a real business the goal is always get lower volatility, every concept every strategy every ideas on this job for baccarat / even chance is always to get low volatility.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on January 28, 2026, 03:48:21 AMNext week we'll see how to exploit at a maximum level the AS/S patterns feature.

as.

Waiting for this, so interesting read and then elaborate that mixed with mine idea.

Online with 30 table, find pattern is faster

So you tell that is better to bet one time after the second banker of

3 3 X

And not 3 X, but is false, explain if I miss something but seems not.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on January 26, 2026, 03:45:02 AMSince X=+1 and any back to back 3 is -3 (and no vig is acting here as ALL bets are placed at P side) it seems that best bets should be oriented to bet B after any SECOND B hand dealt following a previous B 3/3+ streak (no need to  "chase" another B 3/3+ streak, just any kind of streak---any double---will be good), then after a 3/3+ back to back streak came out, the best bet should be a two-step P bet negating a third (or longer) 3/3+ B streaks succession.

Dear this is a fallacy, because theoretically and statistically is better the 3 (3) X then bet for the 3 (X)

between () where bet, but if you bet just ONE time after a second hand dealt B (after a 3+ streak) so

BBBB
PP
BB(NOW BET B)

we wil win in your case 41 times but lose 103 times,

because
3 X WILL HAPPEN 103 TIMES
3 3 X WILLC HAPPEN 41 TIMES

BUT WE BET WHEN THE SECOND "3" ISN'T COMPLETE SO IF WE LOSE THE BET EXAMPLE

BBB
PP
BB(WE BET AND GET A P)

WE WILL HAVE A

3 X PRATICALLY BECAUSE

BBB
PP
BB
P

So if you just bet one time after second banker hand it lose more then it win, then yes that we didn't calculate that 3 X can be also

BBB
PP
B
P

so in this case we didn't bet, but anyway you didn't calculate that in this post.

so have you said something wrong or I made some calculations mistake?

ASYM, you said that statistically you get more win on second attempt then first right?

If we do a reverse strategy?

If using the concept you explain we get

LW > WL /

and obviously WL/WW at this point because after a W stop.

If we reverse it shouldn't we get better results?

Obviously in this the 2 step didn't exist anymore because is just one step bet so the first one.

 In my test, probably is better to bet just one time, the second bet, so wait for a virtual loss on a 2 bet succession or in my way that use what b/p pattern succession is I and what is C, can happen that first bet isn't possible (because i use multiple player playing simultaneously with W/L succession so not B/P) and can happen that first bet isn't possible and second yes so I bet only on the second bet, and the entire shoes that I'm tracking is random 4 hands for shoes, so I enter in a shoes and 4 hands that is my amount of hand for I/C, and then I go next shoes to bet etc, so I work with Asym/sym on multiple shoes that together create a single shoes!

I'm not English so probably my explain isn't the best!