Nice to see this thread has had a good few hits down the years. Renzoni's thoughts have stayed with me and really helped shaped my thoughts on how to attack the game of Baccarat or Roulette.

Quite simply, What has worked best for me is increasing the bets as long as I am only getting single losses. Two losses in a row takes away most of the wins for that particular sequence but nobody forces you to sit there and keep playing if you have a big pile of chips in front of you!

Gizmo was getting on a bit in years and his health not so great either. Let's hope he is just taking a bit of a well earned rest. When you reflect on things looking back, it's clear to see now that Gizmo was well ahead of the curve in relation to where a lot of other guys were at and what's impressive about that is that it was all mostly self taught as well. Here is hoping we have not heard the last from him.

Any hardcore roulette enthusiast has likely heard of ''Turbogenius'' I can remember him on forums as way back as 2004. He gets a lot of love and a lot of hate but I respect him for sharing his ideas.

A couple of years ago, he posted a few threads which struck me as a very good way to try and come up with something good. The main premise behind them was repeaters and he produced a chart showing that a lot of the time, the lead numbers would stay in front and that actually, there was a kind of order amongst all the chaos for the most part.

I will show a pic of one of those charts and I am sure most people reading this have probably seen or read about it before.

When you look at the chart, you can see a consistency amongst the top numbers and quite often, you will see the same 3 numbers repeating row after row. (that's what the matches column to the right shows you)

I played around with all this a bit but one of the problems with a game involving 37 numbers is that the variance can still have you waiting a long time for the lead numbers to appear even though they remain on top. The laggards can appear 2/3 times trying to catch up without putting a dent in the top 3 but that's costing you time and money and so it was something I wanted to try and see if I could fix.

Roulette was my first love although I did play a bit of BJ before that. I think around 1990 was the first time I played roulette and I still play it and enjoy it to this day.

Baccarat was never really on the radar for me until Alrelax took over the reigns here and I started reading his posts along with GR8Player and a few others.

I spent years trying to come up with a winning roulette strategy and there were a few times I really thought I had something close to the grail but unfortunately they were not as successful as I hoped and thought they would be. It wasn't through a lack of desire or hard work and I must have spent a small fortune on what were considered the best up to date books and not just your usual Martingale nonsense.

Anyway, I kind of gave in and thought I would put my energy into Baccarat and I am glad I did but I still had a bit of the roulette bug because the ego was telling me not to let it go completely and I have kept searching the last few years.

They are a lot of clever people who write on the forums regarding roulette and it's easy to get sucked in to what sounds plausible or maybe a new way of looking at things but if I had to give a vote to anybody, I would say 'Turbogenius' was the best. His approach seemed logical rather than fanciful and you can replicate a lot of the things he has shown and achieve pretty much the same results.

So I will write up over the next few days my take on something which Turbo laid out and has proved to be more effective than anything else roulette related that I have ever played.

cheers

Here is a pic of the first shoe I played.

Shoe 2 went down like this!

B
PP
BBBBBBBBBBB (that's 11)

There were a further 4 Bankers before it switched over to player.

L WWWWWWW for +5.5 with 1 Banker 6.

It's funny because I just commented up above how a few people were saying the Evolution shoes were streaky. If they were all that streaky, they would be dealing the cards from under a bridge! 

I agree with you 8OR9, some players love the streaks and they are great when they happen (which I will show from my 2nd shoe played) but well they undoubtedly happen, I maintain along with you how are we going to read the combinations which appear more and like you say, it's those 3 hand or 4 hand combinations of mixed results.

No doubt that's why some people like to look at the derived roads to try and find a steady supply of whatever it is they are looking for but they are all independent from each other and could really have someone chasing their tail.

Since I can't upload the pics, I will try it manually.

PPPPP
B
P
B
P
BBBBB
PP
B
PP
BB
P
B
PP
BBBBB

My goal is just to stop at +5 for no other reason than keeping a bit of discipline and also because it's a bit taxing on the grey matter and so doing things in short bursts suits me just fine.

WW L WWW L WW L W LL WW LL WW L WW (14 W vs 8 L)

I had 2 Banker 6's in that lot and so had to give them a unit.

A bit of a strange shoe really but everything at least lasted for a hand or two and so it wasn't exactly difficult to navigate.

Run, Chop, Run, Chop (some 2's mixed into the chop) Run. Sometimes there are little sections within sections if you really want to be precise. I think I mentioned before that my sections seem to be a bit shorter than the ones Al show but I put that down to my bet selection.

Thanks Asym,

 You could be right! 'Johno' had a lot of table experience and he said the same thing about Evolution shoes after playing them for a few months. I think he commented that they were very streaky and like you, he noted the shuffling procedures were sloppy.

To be honest though, I don't really care what they throw out. As long as I am reading what's currently happening correctly, I can't really do too much damage and should come out winning a few more than I lose more often than not.

 

Sorry about that, the pics don't seem to want to upload!

Hello,

 I will dedicate this thread to putting up a few shoes from the Evolution Live Casino (Online) and also play a bit as well. I know some of you guys like to test against live shoes as opposed to RNG/Simulators etc..

Here are two from tonight.

If anyone wants to read the Renzoni book for free, It's available at archive.org
All you need to do is register which is free and then type in Baccarat into the search engine and you will see quite a few of the more well known books available. It's the same site which runs the wayback machine which is pretty useful as well.

One of the best books on Baccarat I have read in there is Byron F Herbert's ''Power Baccarat 2''
There is a chapter in there on hit and run which is about how to keep your winnings and the mental aspect of playing Baccarat. I think that chapter is well worth a read.

cheers

Hello guys, doesn't time fly! It doesn't seem like nearly 10 years ago since I started writing this up.
Even after writing this up and reading it again and again, it still took me years to get out of old habits and rewire my gambling mentality. That's why I still read here to get a daily dose of reality from Alrelax, AsymBacGuy and KungFuBac. You can really only appreciate what some people write when you go through certain stages of your gambling journey and the theory (especially a lot of my theory) sounded great, to me at least but it's a bit of an eyeopener to see that it can all unravel so quickly right before your eyes at the tables if you don't really grasp what the most important elements are to be able to win. So kudos to the three guys mentioned above as well as Renzoni for a lot of honest, real life experiences shared.

 

I did come across this reply from Xander.

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On saying that and looking at the following table, it would seem better to wait for 3 numbers to appear 4 times and bet for one of them to hit for a 5th time if you were following the rules as outlined by Xander.

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I agree that it's a great little video which makes you think.
If let's say on average most people can only interpret random in their own head to between 25% to 50% of how it really manifests itself, then is it any wonder that most people fail miserably when trying to guess the outcomes. Years ago I used to rock up to the casino with a mate of mine and he would only ever dabble on the outside chances on roulette with a £5 stake. You know that I can honestly say that I can't really remember him winning more than a couple of times. So it's not like he lost in the long run. He kept losing in the short run because he sucked at predicting randomness.