You wrote: "I agree with most of your fine post. Some I may differ with a little. I agree limiting the uncertainty is extremely important. Even if we can't eliminate it we can do small things to lessen or lower said uncertainty."

"My belief is that we can apply the math of the game(Probability scales) yet stay in tune on "what this specific shoe is producing". Some times the shoe may initially present as skewed but will generally start settling in to the laws of probability expectations(or at least start approaching limits). Though sometimes the race is cut short and the runners run out of distance. So we may not get to see the comeback from the late-charging runners."

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If that was in response to what I wrote; "We tend to wager on what I would define as, expecting certain results. I do believe those are brought about by our inner subconscious and previous experiences with what is actually occurring. And I wholeheartedly believe that is where and why we go wrong on many wagers."

You are correct.  I was not referring to anything along the lines as to what you wrote about as I will wager countless times along the same lines.  Those are not absolutely attempting to coincide with the statistical beliefs of the game to have the shoes produce a 50/49ish outcome, etc.  What you are talking about is equalization, common sense and what most shoes eventually produce in their own secret or semi-secret order. 

But I was not referring to what you wrote to cancel out or not have as some kind of trigger.  Probabilities and staying in tune are spot on advantages.

You know we talk a lot about winning and sometimes about losing sessions. And most of the detailed talk is about the scoreboard roads, I wagered because of too many or not enough of this or that and of course, the armchair quarterbacking successes.  But have you ever really sat down and gave thought to your decision making process and what drove you to wager on whatever it was you did?

I believe a huge advantage to the Baccarat Player is, the ability to know what is really happening at the table and the interpretation of it.

I have found taking the uncertainty out of the picture is truly the key. It is not easy by any means, but you have to. Taking the uncertainty out of your consciousness will allow a crucial skill for minimizing emotional chaos and allowing you a true advantage to distinguish more between what is actually happening at the moment (the presentments) and all of the other automatic tendencies to interpret and wager upon your experiences, memories and wagering plan(s) attacks.

We tend to wager on what I would define as, expecting certain results. I do believe those are brought about by our inner subconscious and previous experiences with what is actually occurring. And I wholeheartedly believe that is where and why we go wrong on many wagers.

We read and discuss so much about stop losses and limiting Wagers. But is that going to allow us to win? Maybe to stop losses, but not to win. All the brew-haha aside, a person has to wager to win.  PERIOD.  By stopping the wagering, a person has no chance to win.  Winning and losing is derived from your wagering and your wagering will be determined by your decision making process.

If you become committed to a particular interpretation of presentments, it will become a habit and a situation that you repeat in similar or related circumstances that will drag you under with beliefs that the shoe has to produce what you desire. You will never win in the game Baccarat if you wager with that commitment.

With that said, if you commit yourself to certain wagering triggers and points, you have made a decision to selectively gather the data of the shoe just produced and believe your interpretation of such that the shoe will go your way when you wager is going to place you in winning considerably less than 50% of your wagers.  Unless you can parlay at the correct times the less than 50% of the wins, you will consistently lose at the game.  On the other hand if you do not commit yourself to any certain wagering triggers and points, you have made a decision to screen for evidence (presentments) to support your wagering attempt(s) with what is actually occurring and not being clouded by the strong emotions of the losses that you have made that you seek to correct. Or if you didn't make any losses yet or they are trivial, you will not cloud your emotions to start winning or continue winning. 

There are both -EV and +EV at the table in all shoes. Although the shoe will produce what it is set to do with no way to know any outcome of it whatsoever. PERIOD.  There is no way to change that. There never has been and there never will be you have to remember that.  To me and it should be to you IMO, the game will be -EV when you lose and +EV when you win.  Forget the casino's hold on the game.  Say you sat down and bought in for $3,000.00.  You wagered $500.00 on bankers and it won.  You parlayed the win and won again with a second bankers.  You parlayed again decided to let the $2,000.00 ride on bankers and at that point you decided the wager will continue on bankers and every winning wager will come down to the rail and be locked up.  You did that to recoup your initial risk capital of $3,000.00 (even thou not lost) and hopefully some profit.  A bankers 7-iar mini streak occurred and you put the $10,000.00 into your pocket to recoup the buy-in and the profit.  You lost the last hand when it cut to players.  That just made the game of Baccarat for +EV for you.  Hence a concrete Money Management Method came into play.  You didn't fall prey to the casino's psychology of installing scoreboards to assist the gamblers and all of that brew-haha, etc.  You wagered for what was happening.  PLEASE NOTE:  THAT DOES NOT MEAN STREAKS ONLY AS SO MANY THINK.  IT MEANS ANYTHING.  And if you lost that first wager of $500.00, that just made the game of Baccarat -EV for you and well, you try again for whatever you feel, because your buy-in is risk capital. 

So in the scenario I gave you above, I would have kept the $6,500.00 profit because I would have gave my initial buy-in back the $500.00 and put that $3,000.00 back in my pocket.  Then I would have played the $3,000.00 (buy-in) risk free on my winnings. Which would be a lot less stress and frustration if I began to lose or even lost that $3,000.00 (my initial out-of-pocket funds). 

I truly believe, found and discovered with factual long time experience, the highest majority of all baccarat players do expect certain outcomes of each shoe. And in my opinion, that is where most of us go wrong.

Think about your decision making process and give yourself a true advantage that will allow you to win easier.

Refresher.

I would like to say I do not allow posting of links or advertising selling of anything unless you are a paid sponsor. Of course, I've had a few paid sponsors in the past, however their accounting was very poor and they were not reputable businesses so they were taking off the forum.

Unless you are a regular and well-known member, I do not allow links for any purpose especially from those that just sign up and are new to the forum because of all of the attacks and problem people have had by clicking on links.

As far as all of those Click On Banner casinos and games with bonuses requiring deposits that are also on other forums, I've had those as well and they were nothing but liars and cheaters. Reason being, they did not fulfill their end of our business contract. So I also took them off the forum because I cannot see them being honest with my members deposits and payouts.

Just wanted to post this to refresh peoples memories as well as those readers that sign up and immediately post links to casinos, systems, books, etc., and all kinds of other things. I cannot keep my forum clean if I accept all of those links from non-well-known members.

Here is a perfect example which happened last night.

Hand 61 produced 42 P and 19 B

There was 8 Panda 8s up to Hand 45.

There was 4, 3 card 9s

The was 2 Two card 7-7 ties for Blazen 777s.

Below is one snapshot I snuck in after the 6th Panda 8.  Gotta love that back-to-back Pandas! First one player has blackjack and bankers have a 3.  Players flop a 7 and bankers flop another 7.  Players win, Panda 8 wins and dragon bonus wins with the 8-0 as well.  Second one players have a 3 and bankers have 2 face cards.  Players flop a 5 and bankers flop a 10.  Players win, Panda 8 and dragon bonus wins again with another 8-0.

As always, most were on bankers and those that were on players would wager one or two wagers, win and then run scared by wagering extremely small bets on players or not wagering at all.

Of course after hand 30 or so, the verbal out-lashing was that the bankers would make their come back, etc. 

Like I say, be totally conscious of the presentments and what is happening.  Statistics over a million shoes produce shoes like these that are easy peasy money!  Doesn't matter how out of the norm it seems at the time, wins are wins no matter what. 

By the way, at least 5 of those first 6 Panda 8s were players first 2 cards had blackjack and the bankers first 2 were either totaling 6 or 7.

Also the players would have one greater point at least 25 times out of the 60 hands.  Such as natural 9 players and natural 8 bankers, or 4 players and 6 bankers with the players 3rd card being a 7 and the bankers third card a 4.  Numerous reductions to win for the players with a 5 and bankers with a 5 and then the players flop a 6 and bankers flop a 5.  Not a few times, but configurations repetitively like those.

There was a second table going on and the players side totally dominated that table as well.  Not as many Panda 8s, but other side bets were plentiful in prevailing.

Okay, here is a new one for you guys!

Cruise passenger charged after jumping overboard to allegedly dodge $16,000 in gambling debts

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cruise-passenger-charged-jumping-overboard-allegedly-dodge-16000-gambl-rcna230332

Here is a more detailed link.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/cruise-ship-passenger-jumps-overboard-225200865.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABP3dso0XxuV0dZRaaUXb8awAQV3m20MMa1STxBulodZN0SEWI0jwj0IPbMWmY5Of-w5UF5C-fLb72lDC_Mftl4TdjRQEWVlQB-3l4qoliIG-YXtMwYLcd-3YFF6zNq4ztiWGjWq-yGeotOS15mxLdEcjg1PrIbzBEYSf1SkYNZP

5 people I know all put sizable amounts on the Eagles -7.5 and well, although they won if you bet on them you lost. 

As you said: "That's why we advocate a basic flat betting procedure where W/L streaks and W/L spots aren't equally balanced within short frames.

So when you'd think to raise your bet consider the worst scenario (losing a lot more) than the hopeful situation capable to erase some losses by a lesser number of wins.
It's true that no matter what are the betting amounts we will place, once we play with an edge everything will come at our favor.

Yes, but we cannot be 100% sure about the current conditions making profitable our plan devised at different environments."

And therefore; That proverbial -EV comes and goes without any statistical mechanical guarantee whatsoever.  So in my book, I do not discount what is happening no matter how out of the norm, weird, off-the-wall, jaw dropping, etc., it might be. 

Wins are wins.  Money from the rack to my stack are great.  Doesn't matter how or why it occurred!  Just do it and smile and feel good. 

And an advantaged player will not (NOT) carry those reasons he just won XYZ into the next Section, Shoe or Session.  I call it be careful of the upcoming SSS.

Here is a great piece on what is actually kind of normal these days regarding forums and the internet.

The effects of self-selection.

Comments, forums, and chatrooms all usually require that you register or take the time to type out your thoughts. As a result, the only people who tend to bother doing such a thing are people who feel particularly positive or negative about something. All of the people who feel neutral or only slightly lean one way or another get lost because sharing their opinion is not worth the investment of time and effort for them.

In this way, internet discourse self-selects for the most extreme viewpoints. And unfortunately, only being presented with the extreme viewpoints in any situation causes our views to diverge even further. The debate becomes defined by the extreme minorities at both polls while the silent majority in the middle either checks out entirely or gets sucked into one extreme viewpoint or the other.

Of course I am bias.  But when I look at reading our forum from the viewpoints of a new member, a member that never posts, a regular reader that reads but never gets involved in discussions or sharing their viewpoints, etc., etc., etc., I think I am understanding more about the discourse of self-selects and the values that can be so easily shared and learned by the masses.

It sure would be great (beyond great really) if many other people would become involved within the forum with their thoughts, experiences, research, results and knowledge.  Seriously. 

Here is one for you.  You know, the ability to think and rationale when you totally lose your mind, seems to be the protocol in today's world. 

Of course the Star Casino executives exploited his self imposing and total addiction as well as his inability to read English while he blew through tens of millions at the baccarat tables. 

Wait a second, let's play devil's advocate here.  You come into a large amount of money.  You go into a high line jewelry store in New York City and start picking out tens of millions of dollars worth of precious watches and jewelry.  Do they stop you and say; "Sorry, no can do.  We have to check your English proficiency and analyze your state of mind before we take your money", etc., etc.? 

https://www.casino.org/news/property-billionaire-phillip-dong-fang-lee-sues-star-casino-for-57m-losses/

The USA has the most casinos out of any country in the world these days.  I am very much acquainted with Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, both world class acts to say the very least!

What happens in Vegas doesn't always have to stay there.  Vegas laid the ground work and it was copied and profited upon hundreds and hundreds of times over.  Not by building complete cities geared towards gaming, but property by property with numerous smaller Vegas style jurisdictions. 

Instead, consider a night of gambling fun at two New England casinos, which were recently named as being among the best casinos outside Las Vegas, according to a USA Today poll.

"The United States is home to more than 1,000 casinos — more than any other country in the world," USA Today wrote. "From coast to coast, gamers have a huge range of options for where to place their bets, and not just in Las Vegas."

An expert panel narrowed down the USA Today list to 20 casinos, including Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods Resort Casino, both in Connecticut. Then the public was able to vote on their favorites.

Mohegan Sun placed second, while Foxwoods Resort Casino placed third. First place went to Yaamava' Resort & Casino at San Manuel in California.

Mohegan Sun has nearly 4,000 slot machines, over 300 table games, more than 30 poker tables, a race book and "an area fashioned after an Asian market that offers traditional Asian table games like sic bo, pai gow, and mini baccarat," the news outlet wrote.

Foxwoods has more than 3,500 slot machines, as well as 250-plus table games, high-stakes bingo, a sportsbook with 50-foot LED screens and the largest poker room on the East Coast, according to USA Today.

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Biases and recognizing advantaged wagering IMO and experience are much easier to come about within my Sections approach to playing baccarat. 

But you have to be able to concentrate only on the present Section being presented.

See pictures for a few examples. 

While we all have different thoughts, opinions and results at the Baccarat table in brick and mortar casinos, we all lose and win with influential events we are part of if we like it or not. Other players can easily bother us, as well as push our winnings higher with camaraderie. Lots of us choose to totally ignore other players or engage with them on a selective basis.

But we all still have to engage with the dealers. A dealer can easily make us feel positive, strong, no pain and compliment  ourselves. As well, a dealer can easily make us feel negative, weak, painful and regretting we even desired to play the session.

Most of us have our favorite Dealers at the properties we play at regularly. Favorite dealers are great IMO and experience.  On the other hand, we also have our not so favorite dealers at those same properties. Many say, play with your favorites and  not with the others, especially the non-favorites. Not always so easy especially when there is only one or two tables going. Maybe you were winning and desire to continue and the favorite  gets tapped out by that not so favorite and undesirable dealer. For me, easy to turn off the players, but not so much the dealer's actions and attitude. The dealers are taking chips and giving chips, The dealers control the flow of the hands, the dealers can impose regret extremely quick, the dealers can change my outlook and thoughts faster than anything else at the table.

There will always be the favorites, the not so favorites and the neutral ones. That will never change, never ever.

Okay.  The Dealers.

The Dealers That Really Do Care.

Make happy winning, make losing a bit less painful, their  emotions are basically the same as the players. Somehow it doesn't matter if there was both losing and winning players in a hand, they really do know how to remove your losing chips a bit less painful and how to shrug their shoulders.  They do not say offensive things. As well they know how to smile discreetly in front of those losing players for those that won hand.  They are normally on the side of a unanimous table that won the hand and as well they do not chastise a unanimous table if they lost a hand.

The Oblivious Dealers.

They tune out almost completely all the players. They do not engage the player's remarks, especially the negative ones about the dealer when they lose. Their non eye contact is for well-thought-out purposes. They very seldom make mistakes and if they really get chastised or they really get humiliated they just call the floor supervisor over to put a stop to it. All they really want to do is deal the game, take their breaks, finish the shift and go home.

The Negative Dealers.

They sweep the losing bets off the table with fast action. Lots of verbal comebacks for most anything said by the players. Such as, "I only deal the cards, you could have wagered on the winning side" or "don't blame me, I didn't tell you to bet your losing Wager", etc. Just about everything is done negatively  and against the player themselves by these type of dealers.

Dealers That Play Baccarat Elsewhere.

I have played with numerous dealers at other properties from my regular property and vice versa. Those will look continuously at the scoreboard while they deal. They voice their opinion with their friends and/or regular players and if asked by others of course. You can see their real pleasure in paying out larger wins, successful side bets, substantial color ups, etc. etc. Their regret for players losses are completely obvious as well.  The list goes on.  High-fives, fist bumps and eye contact are pretty much produced without a second thought continuously throughout all the games they deal.  Generally a special bred of dealer and great to play with IMO. 

The Super Player Conscious.

No matter what classifications are above, except those totally negative dealers of course, these dealers are truly being thoughtful, polite, understanding and most professional. Like when a player loses says, "thanks for playing" and  said in a non-offensive voice when the player gets up to leave. As well, asks the floor personnel If it's okay when a player bets a few seconds late as the first card is just on its way out, instead of a harsh verbal, "no bet,!" or a swipe back of the chips with the dealers other hand, etc. I think these are the dealers that have lots of experience and they're good people and know how to handle customer service a lot better than many other dealers do and take very few things on the personal basis.

MISC.

When it's slow in particular, nothing too exciting happening at the table talk is engaged in between dealer and players. Some of course they know from being regular players while others they know from the local community.

Girl Talk.  They talk to their friends playing usually always females about private things. Such as the salon they just tried that attended to their private area with waxing and how it felt, etc., etc.  Or about a supervisor going out with a dealer, etc. Just a couple of examples.

Guy Talk.  About various after hours clubs and bars in the community. About going to other casinos of course. About people splitting up, etc. About their part-time work. Cars, lawn equipment and house related item purchases of interest, etc.

The pattern is always the same. When the message is wrong, when customers feel ignored or cheated, decline is inevitable. But when you listen, pivot and deliver value with a strong message behind it, success always follows.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/commentary-time-for-a-las-vegas-pivot-3427405/

It is BIG TIME real.  Vegas did it to themselves.

Las Vegas' tourism-dependent economy is hitting the brakes. Visitor volume and consumer spending are tumbling in America's casino capital, and the local unemployment rate is hovering among the highest in the country for big metro areas.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/the-whole-town-is-slower-las-vegas-economy-hits-the-brakes-3427769/