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[Turner]

I've never considered cycle betting, and to be honest, the only person who mentions it in Steve's site is Flatino


I've read it a few times already in here and thought I would RX a few ideas to get to grips with if and see if it helps a rather un remarkable idea become better.


I tried this for a start.


Noticing that the last 3 lines re hit now and again, like, every 9 or 10 spins I did this.


Follow the last line 2u for 3 spins.


2, 2u on line 1, 17, 2u on line 1 & 3, 31 2u on line 1,3 & 6


Now, in the past, I have carried on placing last hit in a Millions in May fashion, using progressions etc. It gets heavy or tanks.


So when 22 hit, and I lost, I started a new cycle at 4u, starting with 22

A cycle of "play last line" for 3 times.

I tried a cycle increase of double, so 2 2 2, 4 4 4,  8 8 8, reverting back to 1 line and 2u any time and any place in a cycle if a new high balance is achieved


The graph shows the result, never hitting the last 8


Now, its not a brilliant idea per se, but it did well when encompassing a cycle idea.


Just wondered if anyone had some details to impart on the subject of  cycles.


(I started thinking this from Grampa saying that his tripple shooter idea bet selection wasn't the key.)

[VLS]

Hi Turner, we've discussed cycle betting around.

Which betting location do you have in mind? Regardless of the location, Cycle-betting can be basically resumed by "fluctuate & close the cycle on a new balance high or break even". Money management hovers around this premise too.

[GreatGrampa]

Hey Turner!  Absolutely fantastic.  I will try explaining why it works. May be flat can add more. 

A) I see a quote in your signature. Let me try explaining this from Bhagwat Gita.  Lord Krishna advices Arjuna that success and losses comes in waves.  One who is strong enough to face a wave of loss can taste the wave of success.  One who accepts this fact and doesn't spend their energies fighting the wave of loss and saves it will live to taste success. 

B) I saw another signature of a fellow forumer on sun tzu.  Sun tzu teaches us not to hurry things in a war.  It teaches us to defend as much as one can even after waves and waves of enemy forces comes through and weaken your opposition before you start to strike. 

Now two important teachings.  A powerful progression by the name of dalembert. 

How many times have we seen the roulette table behave like a sin wave. No matter what you do you keep losing at times and not matter what you do you keep winning at times.  This is loss and win waves.  And at times the losing waves looks like eternity.  If you spend your chips progressing when u r in a loss cycle you will get into the cycle from hell.  But if you preserve it and use it for defending and weaken the loss wave you will have the hips left to strike it rich when the win wave comes.  It is essentially capturing a bigger part of the pie to control your progression instead of treating every spin as win or loss.  Having said that it doesn't work for all possible frameworks. 


Now this is more of a philosophical answer.  After all roulette has many similarities with the way you approach life.  I will follow this with a mathematical explanation and also the factors that need to be considered before considering a cyclical bet and the details of it like how to decide on the number cycles per spin etc.  in a hurry now, so probably after The weekend.  Till them looking for more discussion on this

[GreatGrampa]

Ok! Now for folks who believes in Mathis and not sayings from old men!! There are two mathematical explanations.  The first one is purely on money management or directly on why cyclical progression and the second one is on how the wheel behaves. 


Remember what I said about why and how I have attempted converting bets into percentage play? Percentage play is going to ensure that you are not going to lose all you bet all the time and even at a loss going to provide partial wins most of the times.  This is going to ensure that you are going to recoup from your losses on a winning stride quicker than you would do when you are losing your bets completely.  Very true and a fact right! This is why we bet all 3 even chances!  Gramps! Stop preaching triple shooter and get to the point!


For a moment lets forget cyclic betting.  Lets see how a medium to advanced player would go for even chances.  Most of them would wait for a pattern to develop.  Some would wait for 4 spins, some 5 and some 6 for a continuous pattern and based on their intuition would go for or against the pattern.  Most of the even chance bet selection is dependent on this framework and the implementation would vary from individual to individual.  Now on an average someone would bet on any particular even chance lets say once every 3 or 4 spins and may lose all or win double of their bets. 


In cyclic betting essentially what we are doing is we are spreading this single bet across the cycle so that we are able to play a percentage play.  Confused?

[GreatGrampa]

Lets get an example.  Lets take a RB EC string.  Rbbrrbrbbr.  If you ar not using cycles you would bet when the situation is favorable or continuously and win or lose completely every bet. 




Now consider cycles.  I decide to go for a 5 cycle bet here with a base unit of 1.  Now am not going for a 1 unit bet on 10 spins.  I am essentially going for a 5 unit bet on 2 outcomes. But my outcome is spread across 5 spins and hence my bet is evenly spread across the spins that form this outcome.  (Yes gramps. Now you are talking).  So in other words this is the equivalent of placing two 5 unit bets along the entire 10 spins.  If you are not cycle betting, then each 5 unit bet is either lost or doubled.  But if you ar cycle betting and spreading it evenly in your cycle then you have a greater chance of getting a partial return on both these 5 unit bets.  Hope this clarifies why it works better.  It is all about percentage play. It is all about getting a similarity to inter session money management where you create smaller playing bankrolls out of your huge bank roll. We have essentially created smaller bets out of our one bigger playing bet. 




You could now invariably apply any progression that you would apply if you understand this concept.  Lets take an example of JPs up and pull in simplest form.  You bet 2 units, on a win you regress and then use that to ride the wins.  Get to our cycles now.  So essentially if we are adapting 5 spins per cycle we will start with 10 units per cycle.  Treat each cycle as a bet and apply JPs method.  If we win this cycle we will regress to 5 units and then we will up the stakes every win.  (It is a bit advanced cycle play and not as easy as I have explained.  But my intention here is to Bly explain how to treat each cycle as a single bet and apply progressions as ou would).   


So this is the concept on cycle betting.  It's all about getting into a percentage mode.  It could be done either flat betting or getting into a progression per cycle.  ( I was saving this for one of my videos on triple shooter as it will be boring to see a person doing the same things over and over again.  But turner prompted me to share this earlier).   I will talk on my second mathematical explanation when this one sinks in, because at least for me it took nearly 10-15 days to understand the concept and answering why it works after flat posted it first in Steve's forum.


One word of caution, it doesn't work on all betting positions and all betting patterns.  It works best when you are betting on a even return(note not even chances. Betting on 18 straight or 9 split etc are even return betting patterns). Also I have seen scenarios where this tanks, but it tanks less as compared to if you are not using a cyclic method. So it is very necessary to define and follow a strong MM that will go with it.  That's all folks for now until I return back on the second mathematical explanationexplanation

[Turner]

GG. You are so generous with your time and words. I have a busy day. Manchester City in the FA cup final. I will digest this later. The quote isn't spurious by the way. Its basically what you are left with after 5 years and 10 Buddhist books later. If you get Buddhism....you will understand.

[Drazen]

A powerful progression by the name of dalembert. 

D Alembert in its purest form isn't powerfull progression at all...

It becomes very inefficient if you hit longer stretched sequence.

Drazen

[GreatGrampa]

Absolutely Drazen. This longer stretch what we are trying to address in cyclic way to make it powerful