Bac is not a 50-50 game

[alrelax]

Bac is NOT a 50/50 game.  Period. 

Consult, test, run and do all your computer stats you like.  In fact look up stat experts (at least they claim they are experts) like the old Xander or SoxFan or the other 4 or 5 that used to post all their one-liners and swear up and down (without a bit of proof of course) their constant and long term almost every session a winning session, etc., rederick on here until they all moved on to other Forums. 

Like I said, Bac is NOT a 50/50 game.  Go to a casino and watch, virtual bet and watch.  Call it any way you desire.  Next hand will chop from the last, next hand will follow the last, next hand will do whatever it is you think.  Stand and watch, over and over.  Do 20 wagers.  50/50 means that you will get 50% of them correct.  SO in all essence you would have to win 10 of them and loose 10 of those.  And if you do watch the next 20 wagers and got 10 of those correct, that means that you would be able to do the exact same thing once again, during the course of the next 20 hands and then again and again, continuously.  Not just once in a while. 

I do not care what the stats and the results are, as well, the odds.  Means absolutely nothing in Bac.  If you are talking about the extreme, meaning can the shoe produce 60 Banker hands in a row or will the next 10 shoes produce 55 hands or better of either Banker or Player side wins?  Ridiculous, yes.  Will a particular shoe do just that though?  Of course it is possible, anything is possible in Bac.

Consistently wagering anything after something, especially with flat-betting will NEVER EVER pay off.  Possible for a shoe or two, here and there, like I already said, anything can happen.  But with consistency, NEVER will it continually happen and keep happening.  And if you think you can pinpoint when that possibility will happen for those special times, once again you can not and will not have that advantage to be able to do so.  The losses will grind you down, no matter what size your bank roll is. 

As far as stop losses and stop wins, they will both also eat you up and either prevent you from winning or stop you from winning, either one.  If you employ those, you will not have the advantage and the clarity in your thought process to turn them off or turn them on at will.  It can not and will not happen. 

Can the outcome be 50/50?  Yes, at times.  And the key point to remember, is AT TIMES.  But the results are not 50/50 and the chance of winning is not 50/50 as well. 

Call me an unintelligent.  Call me unintelligent and ignorant.  But my friend, I have played this game in B&M Casinos for decades and I do know when I am right or wrong and I also know, when I do not know something. 

Go get 8 decks of cards at a dollar store, less than $10.00.  Make the investment.  Shuffle them up and stack them off to the side.  Get a pen and paper and keep track of your buy-in and your wagers.  Not hard to do and certainly at your own speed.  Play it out.  Play it out numerous times, not once or twice.  See what the ratio of the shoes and/or sections/hands that you actually wagered came out to be.  Was the result 50/50? 

Stats, results from computer testing, stats from someone else's game, stats from computer coding and all the rest of them---mean absolutely nothing when you are at the table, with your cash up at risk and you are wagering on that shoe to produce something that will register either a WIN or a LOSS. 

So go ahead and do just that, and let me know how every 20 hands you were wagering $100.00 a hand gave you 10 winning hands and 10 losing hands.  And, if it did just that, tell me also how you doubled your wager after the first five losses and you recouped all your losses, each and every time, etc.  Then tell me how every time you got to that 19th or 20th hand and it was something like 48 or 49 to 50, you tripled or ten folded your wager and every time you profited a few thousand.  Because if it truly was 50/50, you would most certainly be able to do just what I wrote, each and every time. 



 

[AsymBacGuy]

Definitely you are right, bac is not a 50/50 game.

as.

[alrelax]

So, the shoe you are looking at presents 10 hands, 5 times in a row Bankers win and then immediately followed by 5 times in a row the Players win.  50/50, you get more convinced and everything so many are writing about on those internet forums are really accurate and can make you so much money, correct? 

So, you sit there and watch a whole shoe be dealt out.  It winds up with 35 Players and 35 bankers and 10 Ties.  Then you buy in for $1,000.00.  You see an easy $10,000.00 or so, like so many write about on the internet.  You sit there, a bit nervous but you are going to begin betting soon.  4 Players at the beginning came out and that was immediately followed by 4 Banker winning hands.  A clean 50-50, yes sir indeed, just what Baccarat is and produces according to most everyone writing on the internet.  You look around the table and lots of larger bets are going up on the Players side, you hear several people claiming, can't be more than 4, look at it, CUTS at 4.  So you slide up your first wager of $100.00 as well right on the Players side.

Another Banker comes out.  Same thing repeats itself exactly and everyone including you did exactly what you just experienced once again, exactly.  The outcome is exactly the same as well.  Exactly, except you doubled you wager to $200.00 to recoup your lost $100.00 as did almost everyone else, but you justified yours because others had $500.00 and $750.00 and even close to $2,000.00 out there for themselves.

Then the same thing happened once again.  Then again.  Now it was running at 8 Banker wins to the 4 Player wins.  You lost $100, $200, $400, and your last wager of $300.  Your $1,000.00 buy-in wiped out in only four hands and not a single win!  You buy-in with another $500.00 with the pre-planned two wagers of $250.00 each, counting on a few wins each to recoup your lost $1,000. 

You once again go on the Players for the CUT, not only is the whole table doing the same thing, and some others even with 5 and 6 and 10 times your wager, but you read how rare and difficult it is for 7s and 8s repeating winning hands on one side to continue.  So you have so much fuel and reasoning and hope that the next presentment will actually CUT to the Players side.  And the bets are placed and the cards are dealt.  The Players side returns a two card 7 and the Bankers side has a two card 0.  Almost everyone is already happy and high fiving.  Then the Bankers third card is flopped and it is an 8.

Once again, everyone is citing how it now has to CUT and how the Bankers just weaseled by and the Players will be making their comeback and come back strong and hard.  Everyone is pushing huge bets out on the Players and it is their last money on the table.  You follow, once again realizing and remembering all the chatter on the internet forums about rarities and how streaks never last and all that.  Now the bankers side is sitting at 9 straight Bankers.  Everyone and yourself is all set once again and once again everyone is on the Players side.  Finally!  Wow, great!  Players with a 7 over the Bankers 6! 

Now everyone is set once again and they are all staying on the Players side, after all, the Players have to make their come back to equal up to the Bankers side, it is a 50-50 game right? 

So your $500.00 wager is up, $1,250.00 down and all that is running through your mind is, you will win this hand and you will have $1,000.00 in front of you and then wager that on another hand and you will hopefully win that.  Then you will have a $500.00 profit and go home.

The cards are dealt, Players return two monkeys.  Bankers return two monkeys.  Players third card is an 8.  Wow, great!  Right on track and I am sure glad I read all that internet stuff from all those long term members.  Spot on!  Then the Bankers side flops their third card, it is a 9 and 2 people had $20.00 on the side bet of 200:1 for a three card 8/9 any side.  Even though they both had a couple of hundred on the Players side wager, they are hollering and hooting and high fiving beyond belief.  Then you see their payouts being approved by the floor person of $4,000.00 each. 

But you are now more confused than ever, didn't those internet forum members all say that side bets in Bac were for suckers and never bet them?

[alrelax]

BTW, Good People in a Bad Process, will not magically allow their intelligence to shine through in a self-fixing and correcting way while wagering at the Bac table.  Remember that!

[alrelax]

I was at a Bac event over the weekend.  Just some food for thought:

One shoe starts out, Banker--Player--Banker--Player.  Then all the way down with 8 repeating Player Wins. 

Then a Banker, then another Player. 

Each of the bankers first two cards were pretty good.  Like one was a 7 and the Players had a Natural 8.  If the Banker won, they had a natural 8 over a Players 7.  Almost all of the losing hands when the Player did not take off, were lost by 1 or 2 points only.   

This particular board at the table the vertical column only has 6 spaces,  So after 6 repeating wins, it would have to go out sideways towards the right side. 

Then the Player wins went straight down once again.  Everyone except for two people were wagering and negative progressing on the Banker side of course.  The two people wagering and counting on the scoreboard making a complete box (meaning the Player wins would go all the way to meet the other Player where it fell off after 8 wins).  And it certainly did and then turned right with 3 additional Player wins, making it 9 Players in a row.  So the scoreboard was Banker 3 and Player 18. 

2 people cleaned house and the other 7 or so lost big time. 

Then another shoe at another table, had this in the first 20 hands:

2 back-to-back Fortune 7s.  3 Panda 8s.  2 Three card 8/9s any way for 200:1. 

Just wagering Banker with Fortune 7s and 3 Card 8/9s any way and even covering the Panda 8s, a player could have easily taken the casino for tens of thousands of dollars with very little invested.

Just remember Bac is NOT a 50-50 game by any means. 

[Garfield]

It's definitely not... more like 100-0 the house will always win? 🤭