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[KungFuBac]

Considering potential for Advantage Play and Edgewise, which is better and why?

Baccarat (P or B), Craps Line Bets(Pass or don't), BlackJack BasicStrategy?

 
Obviously all low house edge/ SD is comparable.

re: Baccarat, with a H.E. just over 1%.
Though according to many book authors supposedly card counting/ sequence counting, et al approaches,...etc doesn't improve ones probability of success.

re: Blackjack--I probably haven't played a hand since my freshman year in college (Single deck @ $1),  so no opinion/ no expertise. Though allegedly some players can get an edge with Basic Strategy w optimal play. However, casinos frequently sell little laminated cards in their gift shops with  Basic Strategy. Therefore, I am hesitant to think that approach is a concern for the casino.

re: Craps Line Bets(P or D). I've played line bets and agree they are low H.E. and low SD. However, I don't know all the other wagers. Though, I do know they are significantly higher H.E. vs Line Bets.



Q: Which is better and why?



Thx in advance,

[KungFuBac]

My earlier comment above:

"...re: Baccarat, with a H.E. just over 1%.

Though according to many book authors supposedly card counting/ sequence counting, et al approaches,...etc doesn't improve ones probability of success..."


To clarify: Though book authors suggest card counting/ sequence counting doesn't improve one probability of success.
     In my opinion it depends on what one is counting and or what sequence(or gap or cycle) one is monitoring. I do think one can glean a slight benefit from counting a specific card removal or counting "distance between" certain events or cycles,..etc. However, it is only a minimal pos effect on ones bet-selection skill. Plus it is hard work and requires stamina/ attentiveness.

*It is my opinion the more beneficial events for counting/monitoring are seldom the ones displayed on the tote board. I'm not saying the tote board is harmful. I'm simply saying that IMO most of the variables on the tote board are casino-intended distractions. They are certainly not displayed in an optimal format.


Continued Success,

[8OR9]

Most casinos now pay 6-5 for a blackjack instead of 3-2 ....which means you are wasting your time playing........and if they suspect you are counting, they will either :

a. Ban you from the casino
b. Tell you can play any casino game except blackjack
c. Tell you that you can play blackjack but all your bets must be the same size as your first bet....which means you can not increase your bet size when the deck goes positive....so basically you are wasting your time and money by playing........unless you are some type of advantage player.....and advantage play is very difficult to find the right game and dealer.

[ADulay]

When the Blackjack tables all migrated to the 6/5 payout I just drifted away.

Kind of like the triple zero roulette.

Really?   How greedy do they need to get to convince people to just say NO.

AD

[8OR9]

About 99% of the people in any casino are tourists or visitors on vacation and are just  looking to have a good time.........see a show, play some slots or a table game, or eat at a buffet or a good restaurant...........they are not trying to "make a living"
or win money longterm by gambling.

They either don't know about 6-5 black jack or just don't care...they are just looking for a little fun before they have to go back home and get up at 6:00 AM and go to a job they don't like, working for a boss they also don't like, and work for a company where they can get laid off at any time, or worry if their husband or wife is cheating on them.
 
Casinos realize this and that's why we have 6-5 black jack and triple zero roulette

P,S. I'm just thinking about when 4 zero roulette will make its appearance ( 3 zero roulette is about -8.1 %...same as a slot machine  and 4 zero roulette is somewhere around  -11%.

[AsymBacGuy]

I agree with the 8OR9 comment that casinos prosper about tourists or visitors trying to get a good time...

Anyway, by far and among the games KFB provided in his list, baccarat is the very best game to make a living at and probably the second best game is craps.

Black jack is a bighornsh.it game, you have to bet every hand dealt and if you use a kind of betting spread you are scrutinized by casinos. Even if you bet as low as $20 or $50.

Casinos are worried about certain $25/$50 bj players, not giving a fk about baccarat players betting thousands with a sure advantage.
LOL.
as.

[alrelax]

Casinos are worried about certain $25/$50 bj players, not giving a fk about baccarat players betting thousands with a sure advantage.
LOL.
as.

Please read my post:

https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11740.msg72156;topicseen#msg72156

Where I will answer why casino do not, never did and never will care about players winning thousands and thousands, even tens of thousands of dollars at baccarat. 

[KungFuBac]

Thx for replies.

8OR9 above in post #2:

"...Most casinos now pay 6-5 for a blackjack instead of 3-2 ....which means you are wasting your time playing........and if they suspect you are counting, they will either :

a. Ban you from the casino
b. Tell you can play any casino game except blackjack
c. Tell you that you can play blackjack but all your bets must be the same size as your first bet....w..."


I agree 8OR9. I don't play BJ. However, I play with several skilled Bac players(75-80 yo) that for many years made most of their income from Blackjack and most certainly were Advantaged Players. They have since switched to mostly Bac and cash poker or similar games.

     IMO the casinos will do whatever they can get by with to squeeze another couple % profit. Players should boycott that type of game just for the: principle-of-the-matter.

I have the same opinion on players choosing not to play at indian casinos requiring one to pay an "ante" on every hand. 
Ditto for players in Missouri not playing in the "show-me-state". It is usury to be required to pay the vig up front on dice games(i.e., craps) regardless if the wager is a Win or Loss. This can change the casinos' HE from approx 3+% to approx 6.67%, ...etc.



Continued Success,

Continued Success,

[KungFuBac]

ADulay above:

"...When the Blackjack tables all migrated to the 6/5 payout I just drifted away.

Kind of like the triple zero roulette...."


I play Bac with a couple (Husband/wife) dealers in Black Hawk, Colorado that for years dealt games in Vegas/recently moved to the Colo market. They both said in vegas that whenever they were dealing tables near a main thoroughfare of tablepit area.  They said most days and 3-5x per day a group of players would come by and want to know "Where is the zerozerozero roulette table"?. He said sometimes they would actually say it like that.

He said often it was 3-4 females 25--35yo drinking a tutifruti drink in one of the  18"-24" glasses you often see in vegas casinos. They would ask like it was a "new" game or a game that was easier to win,..etc. Obviously not AP. Just folks out for a good time and entertainment purposes.


Continued Success,

[8OR9]

Here is how you live when you have too much money......................and casino love it.


https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/high-rollers-slammed-for-posting-exorbitant-vegas-receipts-online/