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[Atlantis]

Hi All,

I have the solution to grampa's 50 spins below:

Spin           Bet placed     
11                            0          nb;nb     bet d1; c2  (ftl)
1              2              1           w;l        bet d1; c1  (w so ftl)
8              2              2           w;l       bet d1; c2  (w so ftl)
11              2              6         w;w      bet d1;c2   (w so ftl)     
6              2              7           w;l        bet d1;c3   (w so ftl)
31              2              5          l;l        bet  d1;c3   (l so dbl)    @ 2u
23              4              1          l;l        bet  d3;c1   (l so dbl)    @ 3u 
22              6              -5         l;w      bet  d2;c1   (l so dbl)    @ 4u *** maybe  error in recording here, Gramps!***
5              8              -13         l;l        bet  d2,c1   (l so dbl)    @ 5u
13              10              7        w;w     bet  d2;c1  (w so ftl)    @ 1u
18              2              8          w;l      bet  d2;c3   (w so ftl)
15              2              12        w;w     bet d2; c3   (w so ftl)
21              2              16        w;w     bet d2;c3    (w so ftl)
34              2              14        l;w       bet d3;c1    (w so ftl)
23              4              16        w;w     bet d3;c1   (w so ftl)
2              2              17          l;w       bet d1;c2    (w so ftl)
33              2              15        l;l         bet d1;c2    (l so dbl)  @ 2u
35              4              17        l;w       bet d3;c2     (w so ftl)  @ 1u
31              2              18        w;l       bet d3;c1     (w so ftl)   
35              2              19        w;l       bet d3;c2    (w so ftl)
12              2              17        l;l         bet d3;c2    (l so dbl)  @ 2u
35              4              25        w;w     bet d3;c2    (w so ftl)   @ 1u
23              2              26        l;w       bet d2;c2    (w so ftl)
19              2              27        w;l       bet d2;c1    (w so ftl)
25              2              28        l;w       bet d3;c1    (w so ftl)
32              2              29       w;l        bet d3;c2    (w so ftl)
31              2              30        w;l       bet d3;c1    (w so ftl) 
2               2                28       l;l         bet d3;c1    (l so dbl)  @ 2u   
4              4               30         l;w       bet d1;c1    (w so ftl)   @ 1u
34              2              31        l;w       bet d3;c1    (w so ftl)
13              2              32        l;w       bet d2;c1    (w so ftl)
19              2              36       w;w      bet d2;c2    (w so ftl)
3              2                34        l;l        bet d2;c1     (l so dbl)  @ 2u
13              4              42       w;w     bet d2;c1     (w so ftl)   @ 1u
10              2              43       l;w        bet d1;c1    (w so ftl)
32              2              41       l;l         bet d1;c1     (l so dbl)   @ 2u
4              4               49        w;w     bet d1;c1     (w so ftl)    @ 1u
23              2              47       l;l         bet d1;c1     (l so dbl)   @ 2u
16              4              49       l;w       bet d2;c1      (w so ftl)   @ 1u
19              2              53      w;w      bet d2;c1     (w so ftl)

Thank you for an interesting puzzle. Can I claim part of the reward??? 

A.

[Chrisbis]

Well done Altantis!  Hats off to U.

Been racking my brains on it.


So according to your reply, it's a combination of BOTH FTL & DBL...........wonder how that works as a Framework!

I did not see an error where U stated..........
it's a Double lose on Doz/Col


Spin #  Doz/Col     Result                           BR           +/-           BET WAS             MY GUESS AT THE BET SELECTION
22.........D2,C1.....LOSE ON BOTH...............-5............-6..............3+3=6...............D1,C3 is my guess of what he bet
  5.........D1,C2.....LOSE ON BOTH.............-13............-8..............4+4=8...............D2,C2
13.........D2,C1.....WIN ON BOTH................+7.........+30.............5+5=10.............D3,C3  RESET PROGRESSION
18.........D2,C3.....WIN ON ONE.................+8...........+1..............1+1=2...............D3,C3




It all looked good to me from a data point of view, tho he threw me in the other results, when he didn't progress even tho the result was not a New High, nor equivalent to former High.


Well done A.






I could not get FTL, or BDL to fit exactly for a ONE-OFF fixed condition, but maybe that's where GreatGrampa meant:-

The nature of this framework is very dynamic yet static becaus it's all decided at the start.

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[Rouletta]

Well done Atlantis / Chrisbis for solving the puzzle;  I suppose the framework is Follow the Last (FTL) and Double the bets when
there is a loss.  Am I correct....?

[Chrisbis]

Not sure if that is it 'exactly'..............

I think its something to do with the number of loses in a row, because, as you may notice, he never goes above 6+6 progression.
That is only 6levels (5 losses max).........
So possible rule is "After two losses on same bet.....do this....."
&
"After two wins on same be......do this......."
....
There is a definitive movement calculation going on that seems to even beat a RNG casino.
(or at least Bet Voyage)
:smile:
.
I still think the puzzle is not solved .

[GreatGrampa]

I still think the puzzle is not solved .

You are absolutely right I don't think its solved yet.

But I admire the efforts put by you guys.

@Atlantis - Well done. However, there is no error in recording, as you have guessed. Also, I am ready to give the prize away if the method that you have described which worked for the 2nd set of spins, works also on the first set of spins. Can you apply and figure out whether it is working the same way. If the method works consistently on both set of spins, I give away the prize money eventhough it is not matching my framework, as there are always multiple solutions to the same problem Fair?


Now coming to another free clue, eventhough this is different from the 123 framework, there is an element in 123, that is being used here. It is pertaining to selection on DBL/FTL etc.

happy times!
Gramps!

[GreatGrampa]

I think its something to do with the number of loses in a row, because, as you may notice, he never goes above 6+6 progression.

That's because in the spin data that I have posted so far, it never crosses 6+6. I will give away that it is a 10 step progression
Also, as I mentioned, forget the slow down. I realized it will confuse things, that's why I posted two sets of spins with numbers. I guess enough clues to get you guys going

[Atlantis]

Agreed. I do not think I completely solved it! And does not work entirely well on the first set of numbers Grampa posted either...
Hmmm... so there is something else missing.
Will try again, Grampa.
A.

[GreatGrampa]

OK! Am glad there are people who are still trying. I am so sure that someone will crack it, I have already transferred Vic 50% of the pot I kept for him as the sponsorship to forum 

A little more help from me. I have decided to post details of some of the spins This will be the last set of clues from me after which the post will remain open until someone claims the prize    I will post elements of this in my other posts in the forum in the future and will keep this puzzle open for someone to solve. In the first set, I have purposefully posted 50th spin instead of 51st spin, because between all the numbers exposed, I wanted to cover the whole bit. Happy cracking and am waiting for some one to come back with a solution.

1st set        Spin    Placed bets
1st spin       12      1u D1, 1u C2
11th spin      10      2u D2, 2u C3
21st spin      30      1u D1, 1u C2
31st spin      11      3u D2, 3u C3
41st spin      25      7u D3, 3u C3
50th spin      33      6u C3
61st spin      23      1u D1, 1u C2
Last spin      35      1u D2, 1u C2


2nd set       Spin    Placed bets
1st spin      1       1u D1, 1u C2
11th spin     15      1u D2, 1u C3
21st spin     35      2u D3, 2u C2
31st spin     19      1u D2, 1u C1
last spin     19      1u D2, 1u C1

[Chrisbis]

 
working on the safe cracking................

"Charlie !!......pass me the dynamite "

[Atlantis]

Here is my best guess on the second set of numbers gramps posted and eliminates the anomaly in my previous attempt.

FTL on doz and col until complete loss (l;l) on FTL.
Then play previous winning combo for max three attempts - if no win then SWITCH to play the DBL col and doz combo.

If win  - reset to FTL and appropriate progression level.


Spin           Bet placed     
11                            0          nb;nb    bet d1; c2     @1 ftl
1              2              1           w;l       bet d1; c1      @1 ftl
8              2              2           w;l       bet d1; c2      @1 ftl
11              2              6         w;w      bet d1;c2      @1 ftl
6              2              7           w;l       bet d1;c3      @1 ftl
31              2              5          l;l        bet  d1;c3   LOST both playing FTL so up to 2u and play last winner combo
23              4              1          l;l        bet  d1;c3   LOST so play last winner combo @3
22              6              -5         l;l        bet  d1;c3   LOST so play last winner combo  @4
5              8              -13         l;l        bet  d2;c1   LOST 3 L'S IN ROW ON LAST WINNING COMBO SO NOW SWITCH TO DBL @ 5u
13              10              7        w;w     bet  d2;c1   @1  ftl
18              2              8          w;l       bet  d2;c3    @1  ftl
15              2              12        w;w     bet d2;c3    @1  ftl
21              2              16        w;w     bet d2;c3     @1  ftl
34              2              14        l;l         bet d2;c3    LOST  play last winner combo @2
23              4              16        w;l       bet d2;c2    @1  ftl
2               2               17        l;w       bet d1;c2    @1 ftl
33              2              15        l;l         bet d1;c2    LOST so play last winner combo @2
35              4              17        l;w       bet d3;c2    @1  ftl
31              2              18        w;l       bet d3;c1    @1  ftl
35              2              19        w;l       bet d3;c2    @1  ftl
12              2              17        l;l         bet d3;c2    LOST so 2 play last winner combo @2
35              4              25        w;w     bet d3;c2    @1  ftl
23              2              26        l;w       bet d2;c2    @1  ftl
19              2              27        w;l       bet d2;c1    @1  ftl
25              2              28        l;w       bet d3;c1    @1  ftl
32              2              29       w;l        bet d3;c2     @1  ftl
31              2              30        w;l       bet d3;c1     @1  ftl
2               2                28       l;l         bet d3;c1    LOST so play last winner combo @2
4              4               30         l;w       bet d1;c1     @1  ftl
34              2              31        l;w       bet d3;c1     @1  ftl
13              2              32        l;w       bet d2;c1     @1  ftl
19              2              36       w;w      bet d2;c2      @1 ftl
3              2                34        l;l         bet d2;c1     LOST so play last winner combo @2
13              4              42       w;w      bet d2;c1      @1  ftl
10              2              43       l;w        bet d1;c1     @1  ftl
32              2              41       l;l          bet d1;c1     LOST so play last winner combo @2
4              4               49        w;w      bet d1;c1      @1  ftl
23              2              47       l;l          bet d1;c1     LOST so play last winner combo  @2
16              4              49       l;w        bet d2;c1     @1  ftl
19              2              53      w;w       bet d2;c1     @1  ftl


Atlantis.

[Chrisbis]

Looks good.
I had something like it, tho I had separated the Dozen and Column out into individual Lw registry......
So on a L:L, L:L, L:L, I was looking back for the last winning combo for each BS....which, if it was a W:W is the same bet!


Well done. 


The only other thing I dreamt up this morning, was to add another Rule/Bet to the two we already have......


We have FTL (FollowTheLast)
........and DBL (DecisionBeforeLast)


and then I thought of another BetSelection.........Opposite/Swap


Which would be to Swap the bet, only if it was either of these:-
D1,C2....BECOMES....D2,C1
D1,C3....BECOMES....D3,C1
D2,C1....BECOMES....D1,C2
D2,C3....BECOMES....D3,C2
D3,C1....BECOMES....D1,C3
D3,C2....BECOMES....D2,C3

[GreatGrampa]

winning combo for max three attempts .

You got this bit right. But however, does it work for the first set?

[Chrisbis]

It doesn't because there IS NOT a previous* Double winning combo........

*in the results/spins so far.


Edit

So, is it (first set of spins)

FTL.......W-L
FTL.......L-L  Double Loss, so go to DBL
DBL......W-L
DBL......W-L
DBL......L-L  2nd Double Lose, so go to FTL
FLT.......L-L  3rd Double Lose, Swap the FTL
FTLs.....L-L  4th Double Lose, Swap the DBL
DBLs....

[GreatGrampa]

It doesn't because there IS NOT a previous* Double winning combo........

Right So the quest is still on ! See the 41st and 50th  spins that I posted from the 1st set of spins. It provides a very important clue.

[Chrisbis]

Are you doing a Loss/Win registry for each Dozen . Column to the degree that you end up making  your own Doz/Col up to suit the results....and hence end up with that 6units on Column only bet?