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[Turner]

Im curious about AMERICAN WHEEL.
me and the missus went on a cruise and tried the casino out
American wheel.... I was annoyed they had chose it on a british cruise. I just saw 5.4% h/e and refused to play. Take it or leave it.
So what's the attraction?
Different layout?
Ideas around 0, 00?
Some systems work better?
You don't have a choice....there's no single 0 ?
Id be interested to know
Turner

[Chrisbis]

I never played on an American wheel....but one thing I noticed straight away...
One of the Zeros' has Red number each side of it...


and the other had a Black number each side of it!

[NathanDetroit]

When confronted with an unfamiliar wheel   layout , either 0/00   or single 0, just play the outside positions  EC ,Dozens, or Columns.

ND

[Proofreaders2000]

American Wheel isn't so bad.  If you have any hot-numbers systems you should be okay.

[iggiv]

if they scrapped American wheel for European in the Western Hemisphere (and the rest of the world) roulette would become number 1 game everywhere. Now because of this house edge in North America blackjack is more popular.

you may think that 2.7% is not a big difference, but it may become HUGE difference. Now imagine that u play 30 numbers out of 37 or in the case of double zero it is 30 out of 38. You may win 6 chips, but in one case you have 7 losing numbers, in the second 8 losing numbers. So in this case you have  14% more chances to lose. Now think about it -- what if you chose 33 numbers out of 37 (and in case of 00-- out of 38). you have 3 chips to win with 4 losing numbers and 3 chips to win with 5 losing numbers thus increasing you chances to lose --25%!

that's bad.

but the worst disadvantage if you wanna win one chip only out of all. 35 out 37 you play, 1 chip to win, 2 losing numbers. In the case of 00 to win 1 chip you gotta play 35 out of 38. 3 losing numbers. 50% difference with European wheel!!!

[TwoCatSam]

Very few American casinos I've been to have the single 0.  If you want to play roulette, you play 00.  Otherwise, you just don't play.

I am amazed at the number of American players who don't know the difference. 

[iggiv]

yep...but still most of players play blackjack in North America, not roulette. On a long run casinos would win if they switched to single zero. I guess so. European casinos also love money. But US casinos are more conservative. Europe also had double zero long time ago.
if they did not gain anything from this switch they would not have done it.

[RouletteKEY]

Most casinos in my area have 1 or 2 single 0 wheels in the high limit room only...the other 10 tables are all 0/00. 

[AMK]

Hello again Turner.

Since you started this thread on July 4th the below thread might be appropriate : )

I looked into the American Wheel myself a while ago.

Can we crack it this time? : )

http://www.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8910.0

[Chrisbis]

Great quote in that post you lead us to above AMK..............

Only scam artists sell an easy way to make a living that doesn't work!

I have to say chaps...................great historical stuff/discussion, on the American wheel there.


Thank you for bringing to forum AMK. [smiley]aes/thumb.png[/smiley]

[AMK]

Thanks Chris and thank you Turner for discussing the American Wheel again.

An aspect of roulette which is never investigated.

The method cannot be that complicated, no roulette systems really are.

It has to take advantage of an obvious bet selection which the majority of us believe holds the advantage.

Then MM must play the all important role.

Hope there will be some ideas and tests in the coming months............

[NathanDetroit]

AMK,


Thanks for  having published  this informative link.


HAPPY WINNINGS


ND






ATLAS SHRUGGED.

[Bally6354]

I believe 'Number Six' dropped a few clues in his post over on VLS without going into the specifics of it all.

He wrote........

''I recently came across an article by a mathematician, which I mentioned in another thread, who said the layout of the American wheel is so inferior to the Euro one that it can be cracked, like your friend Bob has claimed. I mean, Pascal, who is the father of the Euro wheel, was a genius - not even he could beat his own game! The American wheel, though, was designed to accommodate the 00 and increase the house edge. Mathematically not much thought went into the distribution of the numbers around the disc. I believe there are ways to engineer bets based on the analysis of the disc layout.''


I have never really paid much attention to the 00 wheel because casinos only use the single 0 here in the UK and over in Oz. (however the Crown in Melbourne have a unique feature on their low limit tables. It's a double zero added on to the single zero wheel)

So I had a good look at the 00 wheel tonight and I can see what Number Six is getting at.

Going to the left of the 00 shows 1 and 13.

Going to the right of the 0 shows 2 and 14.

Next to the 1 and 13 are 36 and 24.

Next to the 2 and 14 are 35 and 23.

Can anyone spot the pattern?

You have 4 splits there...

1/2, 13/14, 23/24 and 35/36.

This pattern runs all the way around the disc.

There is definately scope for a good strategy using the 00 wheel.

[Proofreaders2000]

It also helps to look at the 1st or 3rd columns to play for a 00 wheel.  Those numbers are wheel-neighbor friendly.

[Bally6354]

It also helps to look at the 1st or 3rd columns to play for a 00 wheel.  Those numbers are wheel-neighbor friendly.

Thanks Proof

I love a challenge and so I am going to try and come up with something different for the 00 wheel.

It is a fascinating layout on the disc.

I looked further into the available splits....

So I am going to the left of the 00 and to the right of the 0 taking 2 numbers at a time and putting them in numerical order.

1,13
2,14  (splits 1/2 + 13/14)

24,36
23,35 (splits 23/24 + 35/36)

3,15
4,16 (can't use these as splits)

22,34
21,33 (can't use these as splits)

5,17
6,18 (splits 5/6 + 17/18)

20,32
19,31 (splits 19/20 + 31,32)

7,11
8,12 (splits 7/8 + 11/12)

26,30
25,29 (splits 25/26 + 29/30)

9,28
10,27 (can't use these as splits)

What's also interesting looking at these groups of 4 numbers is how most of them are grouped in a kind of 'finales' order.

1,2,13,14 = 1,2,3,4

23,24,25,26 = 3,4,5,6

3,4,15,16 = 3,4,5,6

21,22,33,34 = 1,2,3,4

5,6,17,18 = 5,6,7,8

19,20,31,32 = 9,0,1,2

7,8,11,12 (this one does not work)

25,26,29,30 (this one does not work)

9,10,27,28 = 7,8,9,0

So plenty there to have a look at. There is certainly more order in the 00 wheel than the single 0 disc arrangement IMO.