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Started by HunchBacShrimp, June 27, 2015, 03:12:41 AM

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HunchBacShrimp

+ 28u tonight. And the stress of winning is really starting to build. It hasn't been so poignant before as it is now.

Usually, the stress is pretty high walking in Even, knowing that if you bust a session BR you are digging a deeper hole from the very first unit. You try to be careful and conservative protecting wins and going home with some sort of profit. So the next session that stress is alleviated a bit. If I bust this session BR I don't dig a hole the entire size of my buy in. And then eventually I'm ahead one full session BR and I'm not stress free, but a great deal more relaxed. Here, if I win a bit, I'm actually happy and very near stress free. Knowing that I'm now working on recovering the loss of the previous session BR. ( I'm down overall for my career, and have those lost units separated into session BR's I'm trying to recover 1 at a time. Milestones you might say, positive psychological reinforcement.)

Now though, I feel like I keep waiting for a loss. I can feel weight of it pressing down on me. Second guessing my bet selection. I've recouped all of this year's draw down and have started working on my lifetime draw down. I feel like I should chip up, double my unit size since I've nearly won two session BR's recently and take advantage of a faster recovery. But I cannot shake the feeling that as soon as I do I'll lose all that I've gained so far.

So the stress mounts, buying in for the same amount, making the same size bets. Scratching out small gains, knowing I'll have to win six more sessions before I'm comfortable chipping up. So if I do lose at that exact moment, I'll still have two normal size BR's to start this all over again. 

Anyone else feel pressure mounting from consecutive winning sessions? How do you deal with it?

Tonight's shoe was an easy winner for me, which only adds to the impending doom of guessing it wrong next time. It was however finally a shoe Banker was leading when I got there. Betting for B runs and P singles again, I'm conflicted cause I don't like to bet the strong side.

B
P
B
PP
BB
P
B
P
BBBBBBBB
PPP
B
PP
B
PPP  I showed up here.
B   My first bet for B to repeat and I lose 3u

BBBB
P
BBB
P
B
PPP
BBBBBBBB   
P

I rode that 8 Banker streak and colored up when it was over, fearful of giving back what I had gained.

Jimske

Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on June 27, 2015, 03:12:41 AM

Anyone else feel pressure mounting from consecutive winning sessions? How do you deal with it?
I think you referenced losing and wins being due in another post.  I always think I "owe" the casino some bets after some high win rates.  Conversely the casino can owe me if I am in the red.  But once you are ahead of the casino a decent amount you realize it will take a lot of losing for the casino to get everything back.  At that point you are nearly beyond the risk of ruin so even though I'm not relaxed I'm not unduly stressed.  And. . .  I play within my comfort zone.  I played at a $100 min. table a few weeks ago.  Very uncomfortable.  Fortunately I did get 9 units and quick, too - but just left after one single loss!  Normally I would have stayed in the shoe.  So who knows how much I left on the table.

J

HunchBacShrimp

Jimske,

Great Job on the 8 $100 units!

I don't like to think about 'what ifs'. I figure I have the same chance of getting the exact same results in a different shoe 2 weeks from now. Last night after I colored, I intentionally walked passed the table and thought I would bet the 3u I had in chips in my pocket and see how far that would get me. Changed my mind last second. I'd rather hold on to them a few days and bet them next time, the chances are the same.

It's not about the money at my unit size. $5 at bac, $6 at a craps table. It's about the conflict of me vs me, emotional and psychological control, and then the challenge of me vs random, surviving negative variance and coming out ahead or even.  I'll have to be net positive and start removing money from the casino regularly before I enter the next stage, which is the casino vs me.

Ah, your right. My session BR is risking less than what I've recently won. I need to keep that perspective. Thanks.

NathanDetroit

Where does  one find a $ 5 Bac table?   It`s either $20 or $25  in my  neck of the woods.

Missmusibat

Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 30, 2015, 06:37:01 PM
Where does  one find a $ 5 Bac table?   It`s either $20 or $25  in my  neck of the woods.
You can find them in London wherever you go. Finding 10 is even relatively easier.

HunchBacShrimp

Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 30, 2015, 06:37:01 PM
Where does  one find a $ 5 Bac table?   It`s either $20 or $25  in my  neck of the woods.

Well, during the week they are $5 tables ( 5- 1000 ). Sometimes they are 10 - 2000 by player request, but the whole table has to agree. And that can be 1 player at the table by himself. The weekend its always a $10 table, and one other table is $25 min. Though, not always. Last week I saw the second table go from $25 min down to a $10 min by player request. First time I've seen that happen. And it may have saved me a bundle.

I managed two sessions last week. First table was full so I geared myself up to play $25 min, but they were changing it down to $10 min as I was sitting down. This was the Thursday before July 4th, casino was packed. Immediately dumped 70u, 60u buy-in and 10u profit I carried from the craps table. Never used more than 15u of my second buy-in, but it was a 5hr grind to get a 2u profit after tips.
Went back Sunday, $10 table. Hit a high of 5u profit, went back 40u, plus those 5u, and managed to get back to a 5u profit 2 hrs later.

So, two sessions and 7u. Not exactly the cushion I was looking for, but two successful grinds from big draw downs has instilled some stress dispelling confidence.

I'm hoping to have a slightly easier time of it next session.

NathanDetroit

As   far as  I can see there are still some friendly neighborhood casinps  around the globe

.Thanks.

ND

nobody1

Hi Hunch, do you mind if i ask where you play?  I'm at TS and it's always 50 min, with a 25 sometimes (but it's usually full)-- gone are the days of a 10$ game, it seems --a new casino scheduled to open soon near here; hoping they will be more hospitable

NathanDetroit

TS will feel it when Rivers in S. will open their doors . According to the latest  news they  have      begun  hiring and are planning for a Jan 2016 opening.

I am residing in the suburbs about  3 miles away .


ND

WorldBaccaratKing

Quote from: NathanDetroit on July 08, 2015, 04:46:14 PM
TS will feel it when Rivers in S. will open their doors . According to the latest  news they  have      begun  hiring and are planning for a Jan 2016 opening.

I am residing in the suburbs about  3 miles away .


ND

Wait until the one in waterloo opens as well. Exit 42 or 43 I think it is right off the NYS thruway!

I hope the stone gets rolled down the hill!

They have totally f-ed over their loyal players in the last 3-4 years. Back then, I could get a room(s) any day of the week, 80 dollars a day for food was easy at least 5-6x a week. I could walk in and go to casino credit and they would print me off my comp. Now, you get CRAPPPPOLLAAAAAAA

I know a lot of casinos have cut back, but this place is just despicable....

They started the dragon a month ago and had a 50 dollar limit, one night a few asians hit it for max bet 30-1 a few times, the next day they lowered the limit to 25 max!

These bastards don't want you to get your licks in.....

I cannot wait for the competition to come in...I live 10-15 min from the stone and I would rather drive 45min-1hour than go to this ****hole anymore...I literally hate the dump.....

ezmark

Yes its tight all over,
the "Boats" on the Gulf Coast  are much tighter than a few years ago. Now everything is on your players card,  Table supers used to write comps when ever they wanted or almost , but now its out of their hands.  Now you're  lucky  to get a discounted meal and a half price room.  All in all I assume its cheaper than Lost Vegas, star headliner tickets like Newton when he comes or Don Rickles, start around $65 , I once had front row for Newton for somewhere around $65. Debbie Reynolds front row around $70.   

HunchBacShrimp

Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on July 08, 2015, 11:19:51 PM
Wait until the one in waterloo opens as well. Exit 42 or 43 I think it is right off the NYS thruway!

I hope the stone gets rolled down the hill!

They have totally f-ed over their loyal players in the last 3-4 years. Back then, I could get a room(s) any day of the week, 80 dollars a day for food was easy at least 5-6x a week. I could walk in and go to casino credit and they would print me off my comp. Now, you get CRAPPPPOLLAAAAAAA

I know a lot of casinos have cut back, but this place is just despicable....

They started the dragon a month ago and had a 50 dollar limit, one night a few asians hit it for max bet 30-1 a few times, the next day they lowered the limit to 25 max!

These bastards don't want you to get your licks in.....

I cannot wait for the competition to come in...I live 10-15 min from the stone and I would rather drive 45min-1hour than go to this ****hole anymore...I literally hate the dump.....

It is outrageously pathetic that they even had an initial limit of $50! It's a $100 max where I play and that's on a $5 table. Of course it's still a $100 limit for both Tie and the Dragon on the $10 and $25 tables. They are cutting their own throat with a $25 limit. Banker Dragon has a 9% HE, and I see it played way more often than the Player Dragon at 2%. Idiots. Their greed is driving off customers. In a market where more casino's are being built everywhere, they need to protect their player base, not run them off.






HunchBacShrimp

Well, not the easy session I was hoping for, but it actually wasn't too bad at all. Aside from losing my first three bets, and going into a 30u draw down I remained fairly relaxed and stress free. Lost several 3u bets, backed down and continued to lose 2u bets. Lost all three 4u bets I made, was thinking about just taking a 20u loss and going home but by the end of the shoe I was only down 10u. OTBL would have tore it up, but I was betting for the three hole for no reason I can recall. 19 singles and 15 doubles. 4 threes and 1 five.

The following shoe was crazy, and I didn't force it. I backed off both sleepers, caught my wins in the 2hole, diluted those profits a bit betting for streaks, played my 2u on Banker and 1u on Player Dragon trick. Missed both 30-1 dragons, but caught two 10-2, two 6-1, and several 2-1 payouts on it. Anticipated the chops nicely at the end of the shoe with some 5u bets regressed to 2u bets for 3u profit, pulled off one 3u-6u parlay regressed to 2u.
It was an actual $5 table, so the 18u are actually 18 individual units won, where all of my last sessions were on a $10 table where 20u are in reality only 10 $10u. So I pulled 28u and 1u in tips out of this....

BBB
P
BBB
P
BB
P
BBB
P
BBBB
PP
BB
PPP
BB
PP
B
PP
B
PP
B
PPP
B
PP
B
PPPPPP
B
P
B
P
B
P
BBB
P
BB
P
BB and I decided to color up here
P would have been a losing bet so I made a good choice.

Crazy how Banker hit the 2 hole 7 times in a row then singled 8 times in a row while Player hit the 2 hole 8 times in a row and then singled 5 times in a row. I could have bet more aggressive, or laid off of FLD after winning the 2 hole, and then again I could have missed a long run, or lost a bunch of big bets. It's a guessing game, and tonight I'm happy with 18u.

Jimske

Quote from: HunchBacShrimp on July 10, 2015, 04:16:13 AM
Well, not the easy session I was hoping for, but it actually wasn't too bad at all. Aside from losing my first three bets, and going into a 30u draw down I remained fairly relaxed and stress free. Lost several 3u bets, backed down and continued to lose 2u bets. Lost all three 4u bets I made, was thinking about just taking a 20u loss and going home but by the end of the shoe I was only down 10u. OTBL would have tore it up, but I was betting for the three hole for no reason I can recall. 19 singles and 15 doubles. 4 threes and 1 five.

The following shoe was crazy, and I didn't force it. I backed off both sleepers, caught my wins in the 2hole, diluted those profits a bit betting for streaks, played my 2u on Banker and 1u on Player Dragon trick. Missed both 30-1 dragons, but caught two 10-2, two 6-1, and several 2-1 payouts on it. Anticipated the chops nicely at the end of the shoe with some 5u bets regressed to 2u bets for 3u profit, pulled off one 3u-6u parlay regressed to 2u.
It was an actual $5 table, so the 18u are actually 18 individual units won, where all of my last sessions were on a $10 table where 20u are in reality only 10 $10u. So I pulled 28u and 1u in tips out of this....

BBB
P
BBB
P
BB
P
BBB
P
BBBB
PP
BB
PPP
BB
PP
B
PP
B
PP
B
PPP
B
PP
B
PPPPPP
B
P
B
P
B
P
BBB
P
BB
P
BB and I decided to color up here
P would have been a losing bet so I made a good choice.

Crazy how Banker hit the 2 hole 7 times in a row then singled 8 times in a row while Player hit the 2 hole 8 times in a row and then singled 5 times in a row. I could have bet more aggressive, or laid off of FLD after winning the 2 hole, and then again I could have missed a long run, or lost a bunch of big bets. It's a guessing game, and tonight I'm happy with 18u.
I don't play much this time of year so I got to play the shoes you post just for fun :-)  The one above I only get 2.25 u net but this one I do better with a 6.5 u net win.  Flat bet of course.

Doesn't mean much - just for the heck of it.

HunchBacShrimp

Quote from: Jimske on July 11, 2015, 02:07:26 AM
I don't play much this time of year so I got to play the shoes you post just for fun :-)  The one above I only get 2.25 u net but this one I do better with a 6.5 u net win.  Flat bet of course.

Doesn't mean much - just for the heck of it.

Jimske,

Hey, I'm glad you're getting some use from my shoes. There seems to be some value in live B&M decisions. I dunno why, they are the same as RNG, but seem to have a different feel to them. Real vs artificial even though they are indistinguishable from each other.

It may not mean you're winning any money, but it keeps you in practice and shows that your BS is solid. I'm impressed with 2.25u and 6.5u flat betting in two shoes. I wish I had a more stable BS like yours. No I'm still not going to ask what it is. For all the frustration my changing BS's can cause me, I take enjoyment from the selection process. I don't have any confidence in any BS of mine holding up with any consistency.