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Swiss Dreams
« on: November 27, 2015, 09:01:57 pm »
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  • This will be a place where some of the notes, ideas, from Charles and Simon will be explored.


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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #1 on: November 28, 2015, 08:30:41 am »
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  • ...you mean Charles and Simon from Win3million website?



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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #2 on: November 28, 2015, 09:32:46 am »
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  • Exactly.

    Charles and Simon.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #3 on: November 28, 2015, 11:18:50 am »
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  • Okay, were to start.......??


    Here is an quote from the old W3m website, its from the message board that was totaly controllled by CEH.


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    Massimo said:   May 7th, 2010 2:30 pm
    @Mr. Johnson thank you for your reply and your wishes,I appreciate it; I'll definitely look better.. my original idea was to trap both the plus and minus after reading Simon's words,in order to convert that bad 50 (the minus) into a good 25. I didn't mean to take it litterally of course,that was just a lamp that turned on in my brain and I wanted to explore it; now I know that It's the wrong direction. For what I understand (I might be wrong though) an EC chance bet in a bet that makes you win like for Tasha 70+/100 bets,It's like if I'm betting with certain combinations that have a 70%/75% probability to happen against an equal number of other combinations..As a pure example only, three spins of roulette for an EC can give 8 different combinations,two with the same chance and 6 with the two chances mixed..that's a ratio of 3 to 1 which is equal 75/25. I'm stuck with that right now cause anything else to me looks like guessing otherwise..
     

    I think the poster Massimo alias CEH, was talking about this -,



    ROL   1 - 2 EC mixed, R and L and R and O.
    ROH  2 - 2 EC mixed, R and O.
    REL   3 - 2 EC mixed, R and L.
    REH   

    Opposite, the same.

    BEH   1
    BEL    2
    BOH   3
    BOL 


    .....as one can see 8 combinations and there are 3 with 2 EC changes mixed and 1 not. The same for the other side.



    Carlitos  8)



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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2015, 10:10:01 pm »
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  • Thanks very much Carlitos, this is exactly what I was intending to attract, and this thread will no doubt become a long and winding road, spread over many months. There is no rush, and on this adventure there is much to observe, review and re-appraise.

    Several of my colleagues, some much smarter than I, continue to access and review past W3M data, and some believe that CWB is out there. After a few years break from looking in that direction I am also inclined to agree, but to the extent that I believe there are several.

    * CWB  continuous winning bet

    Now I admit, I love treasure hunts and narratives of a Quest, and deep down perhaps many of us share this curiosity to search.

    I believe that what is being published by Gizmotron and Gr8player has tremendous value.

    As recently stated I believe my Private Bet is a prolific continuous winning bet, needing frequent adjustment as to the state of the Ecart, and as was stated by Gizmotron, adding to unit values while trending positive, and diminishing unit values while in a losing trend, or pausing through stop loss, and re-commencing on triggers.

    What we now need is Number 6 ( or was it 9) to emerge from the woodwork and thunder that such adjustments and talk of virtual play is pointless.

    The 'fundamentalist' mathematical writers we have seen recently re- appearing after a pleasing absence seem like some other 'contributors' to this Forum to regard themselves as (self appointed) badged posse riders viewing with suspicion or outright hatred anyone who dares to speculate, imagine, entrepreneur, or stray from a narrow trodden trail of familiarity. They have been branded by cynicism to the extent that anything where it seems too good to be true, or look like a duck, is indeed the 99.99% outcome.

    However 1 in 10,000 is not impossible, and probability is a theory.

    The increasing frequencies of "1 in 500" year events et al is an illustration that this manner of packaging to ensure complacency and maintenance of order for the benefit of institutional bureacratic thinking, is outworn and fallacious. Having just endured over past 3-5 years a 1 in 2000 year seismic event, now to be told by Civil Engineers such an event can re-occur 'tomorrow' is just not good enough, and in times of change ( when was there not change) better models and descriptors and phrasing is needed in line with non-linear mathematics.

    For some recently moderated readers this post has already exceeded a limited attention span, and comprehension. The posse needs to be better educated about real life in a complex plural society where outcomes are not at all as simple as was once thought.
    Fortunately in this context we talking about roulette and a thankfully limited range of variables, not the goings on at CERN. However even in roulette, the 'impossible' is actually possible and more frequent than imagined. By 'impossible' I refer to beating the game.

    Back to W3M, and the writings of Charles and Simon. Of course it may all have been CEH, and yes he really did live near Brighton, and yes he really did bank with the local branch of HSBC there. His was not the only dubious account held by HSBC, and hence the massive fines. However just as the Bankers in UK/USA were not jailed, neither were the W3m fraudsters. It was a fraud and a deception, and yes it cost me. Some were smarter than me and spotted the clues, the giveaways, the tells, in advance.

    Reading the material now we might blush but the truth is that in monetary fraud, the bias is always with the fraudster because we ( the 'victims') so want/desire/wish the outcome 'to come true'. It is a bit of Christmas fantasy and while harmless and delightful in many fairy stories, the reality of financial fraud is shocking, and I have seen wealthy families ruined through the actions of sociopathic property developers taking advantage of naivety but also inherent greed in their targets.

    It is not all black and white but until you hear an ex jailed property developer rationalise that the old people who contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to lost companies, and that it was 'their choice', no remorse, you might have thought well yes it is a shared issue. No, such individuals who misrepresent and defraud the innocents are cold and calculating.

    However W3M did publish some worthwhile material and did communicate with some of us.

    Purpose of this thread then is to publish some of this and see what may have some merit, and what was a fish hook.

    I have all the published material by W3M and much of the earlier material by CEH also.

    And no, that is not because I am CEH. I would never bank with HSBC.

    So thanks to Carlitos for contributing to this journey. Please feel free to contribute and comment, even if you disagree with any points raised. I have told you that only one 'entity' is banned, and that for good reason. Plenty of scope here to explore, and over the later holiday break I hope to have much more time to access my vaults.

    Recall however the whole point of this is to show that there are multiple, or the seeds of, many CWBs out there. That is a positive and seasonal hopeful message.


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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #5 on: November 29, 2015, 08:07:52 am »
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  • Okay, were to start.......??


    Here is an quote from the old W3m website, its from the message board that was totaly controllled by CEH.


    I think the poster Massimo alias CEH, was talking about this -,



    ROL   1 - 2 EC mixed, R and L and R and O.
    ROH  2 - 2 EC mixed, R and O.
    REL   3 - 2 EC mixed, R and L.
    REH   

    Opposite, the same.

    BEH   1
    BEL    2
    BOH   3
    BOL 


    .....as one can see 8 combinations and there are 3 with 2 EC changes mixed and 1 not. The same for the other side.

    Carlitos

    If you could work through this please and explain or try to show what was being indicated here by CEH, if anything of worth...Thanks
    R




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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #6 on: November 29, 2015, 08:34:44 am »
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  • Well XXVV, what was being tried to be indicated here, was the Edge and the fact that CEH mentioned to look for something with an ratio of 3 to 1.
    In an other commend on his message board its being said that an loossing session tends to loosse with 2 patterns.


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    Tasha said:   April 25th, 2010 5:51 pm
    Its not so hard to convert that 50 to 25wining ones because losing session tend to loose ONLY with 2 paterns :) the hardest part is to know how to use that 25 to  your advantage. And Compa i will not answer your question :( sorry... if u understand odds u will know how many exactly...
     


    I also saved the pages from the W3M website. There was even an list published with all the clues summerized, unfortunaly i lost that list because of my pc-crash.
    There have been lots of people looking into the so called CWB. Then when the fraud happend, people started to doubt if there was any true to the CWB.
    Because if the CWB  would be there, why would one fraud...??.....
    Researching the CWB i found a lot of intresting things, however they did not stand the test of time.

    Even recently i came up with something that could be intresting.
    I remmember CEH talking about the Edge. So what is the Edge??
    Well the Edge is when you are looking to the other side. In my opinion. Like in the post above with the EC.

    ROL  - like the number 7. The Edge is the other side, like the number 20.
    ROH
    REL
    REH

    Opposite

    BEH -  Number 20.
    BEL
    BOH
    BOL


    Now lets count how much the EC there are -,

    Here are 6 numbers spun of yesterdays Wiesbaden permenanzen "Tisch 2" vom 28.11.2015 -,


    33
    0 - leave out the zero.
    23
    13
    34
    4
    9

    3 Blacks.
    3 Reds.
    3 Highs.
    3 Lows.
    4 Oneven
    2 Evens.

    In other words they balance them self out if one takes it from 6 spins, equalizing themselfs or not equalizing themselfs. I take 6 spins because there are 6 EC's.

    If there would be 1 red only then there must be 5 black.

    If on 1 side there would of all 3 EC only 1 of them, then there must be 5 of them on they other side.

    If there would be no red on 1 side, then there must be 6 blacks on the other side.

    How low of an amount does it get, well all EC's can get as low equalized as 3. So then there would be 3 of every EC. 3 Reds, 3 Blacks, 3 Evens, 3 Onevens, 3 High, 3 low.

    How low does it get when not equalized, well zero on one side and 6 on the other side.


    Could this be explored??


    Is this an CWB....??..... or " The CWB " .....??.....

    Why....??..... well you are always gona get more EC from one or the other. They cannot all show only 1 time in 6 spins. If some EC show zero time then they must show 6 times on the other side. Or, when all equalizing, 3 on 1 side, and 3 on the other side.

    If you take 6 spins everytime, there bound to be more of several of them. So you have an CWB, the trick is in knowing which one will show more then once........


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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #7 on: November 29, 2015, 06:38:30 pm »
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  • Carlitos
    Thank you for setting out the material you have. Much appreciated. I invite anyone to comment or contribute here, and offer fresh insights. I will study this material and ask my colleagues for comment where possible.

    I tend to agree; if CEH actually had a CWB why defraud so many people, or was it a fraud? Was there a small private group after all?

    My personal view is that CEH/ the team had various collected ideas but always were seeking to add new material, obtained freely.

    It is my view that there are many CWBs in various forms and that, as one of my friends recently suggested, it is impossible to play roulette with fixed rules. It is necessary to have strategies and techniques and to adjust quickly, to adapt, to the circumstances of current trends. I find my own interest is in short cycle trends ( 5 to 20 spins) and sometimes mid cycle session trends ( say 20-100 spins). However roulette is all about cycles within cycles within cycles, and sometimes a trend can continue a week on longer cycles on the same wheel or spin data. This can be seen in warm to hot number behaviour.

    However for practical purposes I currently concentrate on very short, tight rein sessions, and certainly one of my colleagues is doing really well at present, accepting small gains to end a session and even considering break even (+0) as a win, with 30 consecutive winning sessions. This is a great way to play and unit values can be slowly raised as the net bank doubles, say 2>3>5.

    Simon wrote to me on Pairs Theory, and other W3M participants on short cycles and of course the infamous EC Bet. One of my European colleagues when releasing some of his notes on this subject received so much adverse hate mail reaction he vowed never to write on a roulette forum again.

    No worries here. We will publish all that can be found over the next few months, and no abusive material will be permitted. We are simply and truthfully searching and exploring as researchers. I will try to keep an open mind and even request help from Kav on the other Forum if he will be kind enough to permit a thread appropriately controlled.

    Thanks Carlitos for your particularly kind efforts to date. There is no rush, but this will be a (southern) summer project for me, and I will also re-explore my other work on EC bet research from 5 years ago, in a parallel new thread.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #8 on: November 29, 2015, 08:26:42 pm »
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  • Well i hope so that members will get inn to this. I know that a lot of them have been through this an million times. And perhaps something else quite worthwhile can come up.

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      as one of my friends recently suggested, it is impossible to play roulette with fixed rules

    I 100% agree with this!!

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    It is necessary to have strategies and techniques and to adjust quickly, to adapt, to the circumstances of current trends. 


    Also so true!!


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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #9 on: November 29, 2015, 08:51:20 pm »
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  • Okay Carlitos

    I think the example you have explored and the example given from  live spin today has hit the nail on the head, and we can zoom straight into that analysis. I have a friend who is a scientist and for some years he has studied wheel layout relationships and although his work is very private I am sure he would not mind me telling you that his testing has been extremely rigorous and that he has found relationships in using 37 spin cycles and relating these to wheel positions. I understand that in some cases, after multiple examples of 300,000 spin tests (RNG) he has achieved +2 to +5% 'edge' at times. Applied to live play he has achieved success and continues to try to deal with variance and with bet efficiency, as well as having mastered the most difficult art of all, human personality self management, that is professional self control playing live roulette. ( Theorists or Mathematicians may not not get this but it is probably the toughest hurdle of all in achieving consistent positive results.)

    In these RNG tests he generates huge sequences of outcomes that are not the live play RNG cheating programs encountered on internet casinos.
    I would always prefer 'live spin' data but his work is rigorous and of course faithful, or else why would you bother.

    In practical application the concept you have outlined  we can explore using live spin data, and given suitable discipline to control variance and to improve efficiency of the  bet, this sounds exciting. Of course it may be another cul de sac but also by overlaying our own current knowledge, something really good might emerge.

    My friend bets on inside table numbers, a small group for a short sequence and flat stakes.

    In your example it appears EC, and we can look at the slippery EC outcomes, and also observe the parallels with inside table implications.

    I know already that flat staked CWBs are possible because I have my own but what we are seeking here has nothing to do with my own cluster analysis work. This is different and exciting.  Once again thanks for your input.



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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #10 on: November 30, 2015, 01:55:33 am »
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  • Please refer to the parallel Winning Roulette Strategy.

    I am advocating a Bet Within A Bet - BWAB - the recommendation from CEH. In this case playing a technique in positive usual mode when trending with +ve results, ie +5 over say 6-10 outcomes, or play the reverse bet when trending -ve (ie losing).

    Running two approaches to a live 50 spin sequence using EC variations the outcomes was positive trend +16 units

    The sequence started.....

    19  R   O   H
    13  B   O   L
    5    R   O   L
    11  B   O   L

    In this sequence the result was much the same playing....

    A.  PREVIOUS                    +10 units peaked at +16

    B.  DOMINANT LAST2/3       +16 units finished at peak

    in both cases the trending was positive (winning)  after +5   so we continued to play the Dominant Trend


    This all sounds quite reasonable so will conduct some tests over the week ahead., and see if we can polish the broad criteria for the OUTER GAME which is not played live. It is played in virtual mode at first in order to see the Sequence Trend Direction  STD seems a suitable acronym.
    Clearly we require a healthy reading of this and be able to determine UP (winning)  or CHOPPY ( avoid)  or DOWN (losing).

    Now the INNER GAME plays when there is a clear trend ( up or down determined by say +/- 5 units over 6 to 10 outcomes) using the EC strings as shown. You can use either A ( last outcome)  or B (dominant trend short cycle last 2/3). If in +ve mode you play this. If in reverse bet mode (-ve mode) you reverse the positive selections. If too choppy - do not play.

    I will post some examples within 48 hours.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #11 on: November 30, 2015, 03:15:06 am »
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  • I remmember CEH talking about the Edge. So what is the Edge??
    Well the Edge is when you are looking to the other side. In my opinion. Like in the post above with the EC.

    ROL - like the number 7. The Edge is the other side, like the number 20.  1,3,5,7,9
    ROH
    REL
    REH


    Opposite

    BEH -  Number 20.   20,22,24,26,28
    BEL
    BOH
    BOL


    So we will schedule these opposites and study them while looking at table and Euro Wheel positions.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #12 on: November 30, 2015, 03:33:19 am »
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  • ROL    1  3  5  7  9        BEH   20  22  24  26  28

    ROH  19 21 23 25 27     BEL      2  4  6  8  10

    REL   12  14  16  18       BOH   29   31   33   35

    REH   30  32  34  36      BOL     11  13  15  17

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #13 on: November 30, 2015, 04:15:47 pm »
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  • I just mentioned the numbers to show the EC patterns. As i also posted another quote from the old w3m message board saying, that an loossing session loosses with 2 patterns only.

    ROL 
    ROH
    REL
    REH

    So what are these patterns with EC?

    Here we have ROL, we can see that ROH has 2 EC patterns from ROL. R and O, RO.
    The same for REL, 2 patterns, RL.
    REH, Here we are left with only 1 pattern, R.

    The same for the oppossite.

    BEH
    BEL
    BOH
    BOL

    BEH, BEL - BE. BOH - BH.
    1 Pattern, BOL.


    ROL 
    ROH
    REL
    BEH
    BEL
    BOH - 6 with 2 changes mixed.

    and

    REH
    BOL - 2 with the same changes.



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      Massimo said:   May 7th, 2010 2:30 pm
    @Mr. Johnson thank you for your reply and your wishes,I appreciate it; I'll definitely look better.. my original idea was to trap both the plus and minus after reading Simon's words,in order to convert that bad 50 (the minus) into a good 25. I didn't mean to take it litterally of course,that was just a lamp that turned on in my brain and I wanted to explore it; now I know that It's the wrong direction. For what I understand (I might be wrong though) an EC chance bet in a bet that makes you win like for Tasha 70+/100 bets,It's like if I'm betting with certain combinations that have a 70%/75% probability to happen against an equal number of other combinations..As a pure example only, three spins of roulette for an EC can give 8 different combinations,two with the same chance and 6 with the two chances mixed..that's a ratio of 3 to 1 which is equal 75/25. I'm stuck with that right now cause anything else to me looks like guessing otherwise..
     


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    Its not so hard to convert that 50 to 25wining ones because losing session tend to loose ONLY with 2 paterns :) the hardest part is to know how to use that 25 to  your advantage. And Compa i will not answer your question :( sorry... if u understand odds u will know how many exactly...
     

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #14 on: December 02, 2015, 09:33:30 am »
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  • Thanks for all the inputs Carlitos.

    My attention is very much elsewhere at the moment in business but will study this material in depth at the end of December when I have access to my my full files up north.

    By the way I will mention that 5 years ago I did track some connections the Swiss team had with a Canadian Property Investment group that I still have contact with via my Yahoo email account. They send me monthly updates and I joined under a different identity to not arouse alarm. When I first joined I made it clear the roulette W3M connections and my real name and received extremely hostile response. I feel sure there is a member or link to 'Charles and Simon' within that group distributing their scam earnings. If anyone is interested I can provide that name by PM. A young 'retired policeman' runs the group.

    We all know about HSBC and the adverse publicity and fines they incurred in turning a blind eye to money laundering. The branch in Hove at 125 Church St can be seen on the Google Street site. That branch should be audited regarding the handling of W3M revenue, and the Private Members Club that was established.

    Also there were other US investment groups I tracked from the website communication trails  that had a link. Some closed their websites to cover their tracks but I still have contact with another group that later changed it's name and know the principals. Some of these connections were merely innocent conduits to various investment procedures.

    As I have said elsewhere financial investment work operates on many levels, and it takes considerable time, or substantial capital, and genuine connections to be able to achieve consistent reliable returns in excess of +100% per annum to enable rapid compounding growth.

    Why on earth would you risk or lose a fortune at the baccarat or roulette tables where the player is so vulnerable to risk/ variance.

    My clear and increasing view is that professional level roulette or baccarat should be played with 'free money' that is already clear of emotional entanglements or liabilities. Smart money finds better channels for investment as defeat of variance is the essence of professional work and casinos have huge incentive to defeat the serious and best players. Even the brilliant MIT crews made their fortunes at constant risk of life and by effectively 'cheating' the casinos. I have huge ethical problems with 'advantage play and I simply know there are wiser ways to access and accumulate earnings, and then play for fun even with highest professional skill eventually. However vast international financial markets are a much better source of substantial ethical income than casinos where so many are prey to addictive and compulsive negative behaviour patterns.