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Mr J

March 09, 2016, 04:23:11 AM
Real simple question/point. How do you know those numbers ARE from the casino(s)? If they are RNG, I'm not saying the book isn't useful. Me personally, I would NOT claim.....hey, these numbers are great, straight from the casino, all my testing will be casino accurate!

Teach me, maybe the numbers are from the casino? What is the proof?

Ken
Without a decent bet selection and the proper roulette experience, you don't have success, you have a hobby. There is no "Auto Re-bet" button in the ACTUAL world of roulette. Its B&M or take up stamp collecting. Don't let my honesty offend you. Haters will always hate. The saddest thing in life is wasted talent. ((If you're not already a genius, don't bother with roulette. The world needs plenty of ditch diggers))

Blue_Angel

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March 09, 2016, 04:30:24 AM
There can be no proof of such matter.

I've an opinion though which you might find false but I'm going to say it anyway;

RNG's have a tendency to repeat more than the actual roulette wheels.

Of course what I just said is only my subjective opinion, you don't have to agree.
''For after all what is man in nature?
A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

Albalaha

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March 09, 2016, 10:22:34 AM
QuoteRNG's have a tendency to repeat more than the actual roulette wheels.

Really?
What made you form such opinion? Observation, experience or simulations?
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Blue_Angel

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March 09, 2016, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: Albalaha on March 09, 2016, 10:22:34 AM
Really?
What made you form such opinion? Observation, experience or simulations?

All these together
''For after all what is man in nature?
A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

Albalaha

#4
March 09, 2016, 11:30:52 AM
I have simulated over 50 million spins of RNG and over 5-7 millions real spins. I do not see anything like that. It is an illusion merely.
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Blue_Angel

#5
March 09, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: Albalaha on March 09, 2016, 11:30:52 AM
I have simulated over 50 million spins of RNG and over 5-7 millions real spins. I do not see anything like that. It is an illusion merely.

Perhaps you were not paying attention in details...
''For after all what is man in nature?
A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

Albalaha

#6
March 09, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
QuotePerhaps you were not paying attention in details...

I do not assume things, I can simulate to see and I am talking serious. Talk to any programmer like Reyth and he will confirm this. RNG is no magic wand. Randomness means no predictions possible in short run and in long run, it confirms to the law of large numbers. A real roulette is also a kind of True Random Number Generator. If I mix 100 numbers from random.org and 100 numbers from real casino records and make a 10k file, none in this world can sort them.
                             Do not reap fallacies and fantasies.
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XXVV

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March 10, 2016, 12:08:39 AM
Quote from: Albalaha on March 09, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
I do not assume things, I can simulate to see and I am talking serious. Talk to any programmer like Reyth and he will confirm this. RNG is no magic wand. Randomness means no predictions possible in short run and in long run, it confirms to the law of large numbers. A real roulette is also a kind of True Random Number Generator. If I mix 100 numbers from random.org and 100 numbers from real casino records and make a 10k file, none in this world can sort them.
                             Do not reap fallacies and fantasies.

You state you ' do not assume things', and that 'randomness means no predictions possible in short run and in long run'.  Does this mean you cannot predict at all using RNG ?  Perhaps you can explain this more clearly for us.

Blue_Angel

#8
March 10, 2016, 01:18:09 AM
QuoteTalk to any programmer like Reyth and he will confirm this.

Reyth has played only once on actual roulette wheel and this was online studio, not real casino, so I don't think him as the proper person to ask.

When you see a summary of millions results you are looking at the ''destination'' not how you've arrived there...

If you really believe that roulette is unpredictable then the only two things which remaining are progressions and luck!
Sorry if I don't share the same point of view.
''For after all what is man in nature?
A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

Albalaha

#9
March 10, 2016, 05:10:42 AM
QuoteYou state you ' do not assume things', and that 'randomness means no predictions possible in short run and in long run'.  Does this mean you cannot predict at all using RNG ?  Perhaps you can explain this more clearly for us.

We do not predict in gambling but only speculate. I do not even try to speculate in short run. I use RTM and law of large numbers and an MM that can pass through the worst possible without eating too many chips.

QuoteReyth has played only once on actual roulette wheel and this was online studio, not real casino, so I don't think him as the proper person to ask.

  I am not asking to seek his opinion or presumptions. As a programmer he can simulate the available real roulette data and RNG and let all know the reality.

QuoteIf you really believe that roulette is unpredictable then the only two things which remaining are progressions and luck!
Sorry if I don't share the same point of view.

Roulette is unpredictable to the extent to its virtual limits, in short run. For example, in any 100 spins, an EC can hit anywhere from 75 to 25 times, none can tell this beforehand. None can predict with even slightest accuracy except may be experts of advantage play as Claude Shannon, Pelayo, Joseph Jagger etc did.

Luck is beyond your control sou can't plan for that. Money management is something, one can work on. Sadly, see a dozen forums of gambling online and hundreds of book on gambling, none tried to make an MM for long run.
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Blue_Angel

#10
March 10, 2016, 05:20:50 AM
QuoteI use RTM and law of large numbers and an MM that can pass through the worst possible without eating too many chips.

This what I'm doing with my "Fallacious Holy Grail"
''For after all what is man in nature?
A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

Albalaha

#11
March 10, 2016, 06:11:58 AM
FHG is based upon unrealistic assumptions and bets sooner or later gets too high to lose everything you earned ever. As good as playing marty. You are only prolonging the death 37 times. One loss can not be covered in 100s of winning sessions. If you think you can make it more rational by putting any stop loss mark, it won't work as well.
     all these fallacious methods born out of the womb of ignorance and lack of programming skills.

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from100

#12
March 10, 2016, 07:02:12 AM
Nice to see that it become friendly Experts chatting!

ybot

#13
March 28, 2016, 02:06:03 PM
Being realistic,
You can simulate 100k or a million trials
You hardly store these data from each wheel.
RNG outcomes can show random extremes in short runs but data tend to go to the averages. You will not see +/- 3,5 to 4 standard deviations in a RNG data
Casino data might show some deviations( 3 or more sd) in a long run(100k) due to bias or another situation,
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