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Re: MB 16
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2016, 09:41:15 am »
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  • It has been a wild ride today. I really found the secret to powering ahead and the closing balance on the RB + 50,800 units this evening.

    Tomorrow I will set out the flow of the outcomes.

    You will note that the closing home straight enabled 8 consecutive 1 spin outcomes and it in these phases, win cycles, blue skies where you can parlay and leverage. I played to the table limit on the rouletteplayers.org site and as earlier mentioned the format skews results a little because the cover on zero is limited and zero splits cannot be bet. In fact as we target 16 numbers in essence, I finished by forgetting the corner bets and just loading the 16 to the limit in splits and straight ups bets. There are phases where they flow one after another, and on the streak of eight I played four live and paused but when the phase continued I played one further to push me over the 50,000 unit line, and we are slowly climbing up the table of the leaders board.

    It took a lot of patience to eventually climb on the win streak and you just have to remember that they will come round eventually. There were many disappointments and frustrations along the way, but once achieved it was worth pushing as hard as possible.

    I stopped before the zero appeared after the eighth consecutive win and there followed a 3 outcome, and then a final 1.

    It is a fascinating style of play and very different to my usual live style, so most informative. Key is to lock onto the inevitable win streak and I will actually schedule the duration of these and their frequency over the 500 outcomes I have now monitored. They really represent a game within a game and when playing for this prize the unit values can be loaded compared to the spin to spin usual game.

    Anecdotally before I schedule this I recall many of 4 or 5 consecutive duration during the win cycles.

    More detail tomorrow.



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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #31 on: July 03, 2016, 10:46:49 am »
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  • Congrats, fifty thousand units profits is the sweet proposition. I'm still afraid to buck up against the roulettes though, hey hey.

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #32 on: July 03, 2016, 10:31:25 pm »
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  • Outcome Sequences in recent sessions....

    3
    1
    4
    1
    3
    3
    2
    1
    1
    1
    1
    7
    1
    1
    1
    6
    1
    1
    1
    1
    2
    1
    6
    3
    4
    4
    4
    2
    2
    2
    1
    1
    2
    2
    4
    1
    2
    1
    1
    1
    3
    3
    1
    4
    1
    7
    1
    2
    1
    3
    3
    4
    5
    4
    2
    1
    5
    1
    1
    1
    2
    1
    4
    4
    2
    1
    4
    2
    1
    1
    1
    2
    2
    1
    1
    2
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    5
    1
    2
    1
    3
    1
    2
    3
    1
    2
    ----  91 outcomes

    2
    2
    1
    1
    4
    1
    3
    1
    4
    1
    1
    1
    2
    2
    3
    1
    5
    2
    5
    1
    2
    3
    1
    1
    10
    2
    1
    1
    2
    2
    1
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    1
    4
    2
    1
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    4
    1
    5
    2
    2
    1
    2
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1  this is the 8 part 1 spin hit sequence which more than doubled the bank even when only 5 out of the 8 opportunities were played live
    3
    1
    1
    ===  59 outcomes and 150 overall in this sequence

    Notice in these sequences over 400 spins in 2 sessions the occasional SL events were quickly recovered.

    It was the relative stability of this slice of experience ( the 150 outcomes) that enable the final push to the frontier of +50,000 units. The resistance prior was formidable and only in the last 10 spins did the RB double.  Such is the nature of roulette where the 35:1 payout can be leveraged with consecutive hits to achieve what may stagger many other casino players.

    What I am trying to explore here, as 'a theme within a theme' is the nature of reading the game sequence accurately, the inter-connectedness of spin outcomes, the ability to leverage upon bets within a bet, and the accurate identification of such opportunities.

    The following post will demonstrate some valuable notes.

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #33 on: July 04, 2016, 03:03:46 am »
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  • Great session this morning of about 200 spins, being 70 outcomes.

    It was tough to break the previous high but eventually, actually on the last spin live that a good breakthrough eventuated when there was a short cycle of relative stability featuring 1 and 2 spin events.

    As a safety net this time I also played WF targets and a few street and finales patterns, using no more than 5000 units of the fund. We ended  the session at RB +52,140 units on a 1 spin hit ( 20). This was a new all time high on this account for Palladio.

    Notice at this stage I stopped as the goal was achieved and I sensed that a correction phase might be due and note how a 5 spin outcome soon followed in virtual mode play.

    Here are the outcomes and we can use 50 of these to add to the prior 150 outcomes to obtain a 200 outcome distribution chart. Recall we will also study a streak duration schedule to illustrate how often ( or not) useful runs of 1,2 or 1+2 spin outcomes can occur where there may be identified a trigger to enable loaded unit bets for high returns.

    This was how the latter stages of this morning's play was managed and the hit on 20 was multi-level.

    The session started a little shaky with higher risk factor where I considered whether to pause or even discontinue at a few stages * and **

    5
    1
    11  *
    1
    2
    1
    5
    2  *
    1
    2
    1
    3
    1
    1
    3
    1
    1
    1
    1
    7
    3  *
    1
    6  *
    2
    1
    2
    1
    1
    2
    5
    5  **
    2
    1
    1
    2
    1
    5
    4  *
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2
    6
    1
    1
    3
    1
    1
    4
    1
    2
    1
    3
    2
    1
    1
    1
    2
    1
    1
    2
    1
    ---- stop at 20 and take profit

    5
    2
    3
    1
    3
    2
    2  these were the following context observed.

    Palladio has moved up the table of performers quite well because the net betting efficiency is quite good. Recall this is with inside table bets. Running a column only attack may be the work of another name.

    Now the RB is at a more sensible level for stopped progression work, my goal is to use up to 10% of the RB for staking but will use this as a circuit breaker. So for example if the RB fell below 46,000 there would follow an enforced time out ( preferably 24 hours and await fresh and better opportunities also with a clear head unclouded by excess emotion).

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #34 on: July 04, 2016, 04:17:14 am »
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  • Here is a further 200 outcome distribution chart. It is becoming very clear that this bet has highly reliable statistical reliability given 100 outcome minimum sample sizes. We will test how this goes for 50 outcome tranches. The case of the recent really adverse corrective phase ( 575736) seems a rare blip on the screen but we would need 30 x 100 spins ( not outcomes) to comment on this further, and later this week will conduct a series of sessions using those parameters.

    200 outcomes

      1    2     3     4     5    6    7    8    9   10    11
     99   45   21   16  11   3    3               1      1


    Notice how in stable phases ( which this is) the 1 spin outcome total is a close half of the total sample and is a useful rule of thumb.

    The 1-4 sample size at 181 provides exactly the anticipated 90% ratio.

    Now on to streaks of winning 1 spin outcomes, and 1+2 spin outcomes.

    In a small 200 outcome sample here is the distribution....

    For 1 spin outcomes

    Streak Duration    3   4    5   6    7    8
    Numbers             10   7    1   1    1    1

    note in this case I have counted an 8 consecutive duration  x 1 spin outcome duration as occupying  3,4,5,6,7 appearance also

    For 1+2 spin outcomes combined, the maximum duration measured was 14 consecutive appearances

                                5    6   7    8     9   10   11   12   13   14
                               14   9    5    3    3    3     3     2    1      1

    similar appearance overlap principle applies

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #35 on: July 04, 2016, 08:28:16 am »
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  • I m currently testing this against my 20,000 live spins, using the criteria and staking in my original post.

    So far my results are:
                           1      2     3    4    5    6    7    8   9   10   11   12     Profit
    1-1000          180  101  62  27  17  15  2    5    0    1     0     0     1,501       
    1001-2000    196  102  52  30  15  10  9    2    1    0     2     0        828

    I know that this will fail at some point(s) but it will be interesting to see how many times that happens.

    Mocco

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #36 on: July 04, 2016, 08:32:57 am »
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  • I m currently testing this against my 20,000 live spins, using the criteria and staking in my original post.

    So far my results are:
                           1      2     3    4    5    6    7    8   9   10   11   12     Profit
    1-1000          180  101  62  27  17  15  2    5    0    1     0     0     1,501       
    1001-2000    196  102  52  30  15  10  9    2    1    0     2     0        828

    I know that this will fail at some point(s) but it will be interesting to see how many times that happens.

    Mocco

    Thank you Mocco - this is very helpful indeed and I will look into this analysis tomorrow and study your original criteria and staking in your original post.

    By the way thank you for your original PM and correspondence commencing back in December 2013. Your observations then were most helpful and still deserve further study regarding six lines or repeats rather than fixed corners. I will write in more detail on this soon.

    The reason that I was attracted to 'crude' fixed corner bets was that I was using so much brain power to attempt to read and beat random, sometimes with great success but at other times right out of phase, that I have been delighted at the simplicity of this MB16 and am bringing most focus to the MM aspect which of course Martin mastered most of the time, and 'most' is all you need.

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #37 on: July 04, 2016, 11:55:27 pm »
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  • A good morning session today on the test table.

    The outcome ( 'outcome' is the spin sequence to achieve closure of a sequence, for example 3, being  spins 10,21, then 20 - hit) sequence was not too challenging at entry and I waited till the completion of the third outcome before joining.

    36
    20
    ----  2

    13
    13
    35
    ---- 3

    16
    ---- 1  then start live

    So here is the outcome stream....

    2
    3
    1
    1
    6   stop loss at 4 then waited for hit at 6 to be a trigger, then went to phase 2 staking and hit at 3  - a little shaky but was covered also by finales.
    3
    1
    1
    1
    1
    2
    3
    1
    3
    1
    1
    3
    3
    1
    1
    2
    1
    2
    1
    2
    2
    ----- close and take profit

    1
    ----

    RB finished at +59,415 units , new all time high, ATH.






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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #38 on: July 05, 2016, 12:31:14 am »
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  • Here is an analysis of the Moccoman spin sequence live in Sydney recently. Am very grateful for the detail supplied and this chart illustrates how well the session was played and the judgement call/ timing to eventually cash up and take profit.

    From what we have been told the table was at the format $2.50/ unit and hence the corner bet minimum being $10.

    The staking plan used was 2,3,5,8 phase one, and 10,15,25,40 phase two, and the rather scary 50,75,125, 200 phase three ( not needed).

    The three tricky moments in the session were the outcome 8 followed by 1 and 2 ; 12 followed by 3,2,2,1,1  ; 5 followed by 1

    For reference here are the outcomes listed

    1
    3
    1
    1
    2
    2
    3
    2
    1
    8 * (SL at 4)
    1
    2
    12 * (SL at 4) - a testing moment
    3
    2
    2
    1
    1
    2
    5 * (SL at 4)
    1
    3
    1
    3
    2
    3
    1
    1
    3
    1
    2
    3
    1
    4
    1
    2
    1  what a great way to finish
    ----

    As I understand it ( please correct me if wrong) this would be the schedule  this would be the schedule of outcomes played straight, ie without correction factors or stepping other than as per the staking plan published.

    Phase 1

    1  +10  ( ie + $25 in the context of this live session)
    2  +7
    3  +5
    4  +0   (for example -40-32 +72 =00 and if loses carry over -72)

    Phase 2

    1  -22   ( for example  -72 -40 + 90 = -22)
    2  -37
    3  -47
    4  -72

    Thus this would be the approximate flow of outcomes and net live results....

    +10
    +5    +15
    +10   +25
    +10   +35
    +7
    +7
    +5
    +7
    +10  +71 units   ( 9 hits in a row is an optimum outcome)

    -22
    +7    +56 units

    -47    +9 units

    +7
    +7
    +10
    +10
    +7     + 50 units

    -22

    +5     +33 units
    +10
    +5
    +7
    +5
    +10
    +10   +80 units new all time high

    +5
    +10
    +7
    +5
    +10
    +0
    +10
    +7
    +10  and finish    apologies if my figures are approximate only but I wanted to convey the session momentum.

    Perfect time to finish and take over +100 units profit despite the mid session challenges.

    Well done Moccoman.





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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #39 on: July 05, 2016, 12:51:28 am »
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  • This thread has multiple purposes and intentions.

    I do want to caution against extended progressions as they can be very dangerous in the stress of the situation. People do strange things under stress and pressure - just look at the penalty shootout debacle between Germany and Italy at the recent UEFA Quarter Final.

    As I often say ( and to myself also) - we are delicate instruments - not machines- and our emotions are vulnerable.

    Even after much practice we can still make silly errors in the heat of the moment.

    Thus it is better in my view to restrict the level of exposure to stress and risk of loss- therefore always a good idea to never carry any more on you, or with what you can access by bankcard, more than you are prepared and comfortable to lose. Any loss is painful, and if you do not care about loss then this attitude needs scrutiny. Nevertheless, 'what you can afford to lose' is probably a better definition, because any professional has to deal with loss sometimes.

    What I am endeavouring to explore is a method that is simple and fairly mechanical, and a money management, self management, and 'reading' of the game 'context' that enables seizing of opportunities given, and restriction of loss in worst case scenarios.

    I would probably stop in real money live play after a loss of the phase 2 and write that loss off, to recover in small future tranches, maybe by playing at higher value units next session.

    With this MB16 bet I believe you will win most of the time and just learn the 'bet characteristics' and 'bet parameters' for success. These include taking profit after a streak of 5 or more wins, then pausing, Also looking for the pattern of repeating 1 spin hit outcomes which can be very fruitful indeed.

    Be careful when to start. Do not jump into a pool of crocodiles. Try to find a stable phase featuring a 1 spin outlay before starting.

    Also my personal play uses the MB 16 as a sort of anchor bet, then overlays an anchor bet on Zero, and also periodically plays target finales or streets as predicted through my private bet techniques. Also I sometimes use the WF method. You can read about WF theory in my Blog section.

    This overlay approach I am finding reduces the volatility, ie variance, of my bet alone, and by using this combination with trial and error, empirical methodology, this seems to be encouraging a much more successful and reliable strategic view of the game, at least so far.

    My advice is to pull the plug and withdraw if you see a challenging delay and complication arising. There will be losing sessions, but try to restrict those losses, and of course try to enhance the bet efficiency and effectiveness by staking higher always when appropriate and when signaled. Good Hunting.

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #40 on: July 05, 2016, 03:45:17 am »
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  • The previous post has some very important notes and actually summarises a lot of my view of the roulette game, its brilliance, potential, and treasures.

    My personal view on creativity and creation is most respectful of the wonders of life on all levels, scales and worlds, and by that I mean subtle vibratory quantum planes where visible becomes invisible and vice versa. I treasure the scientific work that explores and works in those in-between worlds beyond yet still part of the physical. The image of the long travelling Juno Probe is a metaphor of peering below the clouds to find more detail. It is a metaphor for human consciousness and that is why it is so emotional to view.

    I have always stated roulette is a game that works on all levels and is part of the reason why it has a magnetic attraction for the truly curious. It is a tangible and physical transformer of  worldly fact to sublime abstract thought.

    The treasures it offers in potential need to be grasped in the most effective and efficient ways.

    That is why I am using a modest little forgotten bet to drill for diamonds beneath the clouds.

    Fundamentally, in playing live real roulette, the aim for the player is to make consistent profit. By transforming the way we see the game unfold, and by realising the hidden links between sequential spin outcomes and then transforming what we see into short cycles of outcomes, we can read the flow, the game, the energy direction ( + for win cycle and - for corrective loss cycle) to our advantage. By seeing at another level just a little abstract, the player can take advantage of hidden opportunities made clear.

    This can actually be done by just observing the wheel and using our mind in focus.

    It is actually quite simple when adept, and the treasures may be accessed if the player has sufficient tenacity, patience, wit and good humour.

    That is the experiment Palladio is conducting, and the task is not to be underestimated, yet there is no limit to potential.

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #41 on: July 05, 2016, 04:08:01 am »
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  • Thus to continue the saga of Palladio's Quest here is the latest report from the table.

    This was a trap, and I neatly fell into it until fortunate to see the way out.

    32
    ---   1
    14
    ---   1  climb on board
    28
    14
    ---   2  hit and hooked
    33
    25
    30
    4    SL
    32
    ---- 5  trigger to re-start
    30
    24
    31
    ---- 3
    1
    1
    27
    9
    ---- SL
    24
    36
    29
    16
    ---- 8 and re-start
    8
    12
    ---  2
    8
    28
    36
    1
    ---- SL
    8    hit WF
    22
    19
    ---- 7

    4
    5
    ---- 2

    33
    32
    ---  2
    14
    ---- 1  and light into the tunnel after 15% re-tracement of RB
    11
    ---- 1
    3
    ---- 1
    29
    22
    3
    ---- 3
    27
    3  hit and WF
    ---- 2

    2
    --- 1
    11
    --- 1
    14
    --- 1
    32
    --- 1 and take profit

    3
    --- 1

    7
    1
    23
    24
    10
    22
    33
    23
    32
    ---- 9

    the followed outcome cycles
    1
    1
    9
    1
    1
    2
    2
    ----

    So a happy ending but some drama at the outset. This illustrates how careful you must be to/ when enter the game, and also to use the empirical principle that very often short cycles of repeating 1 spin outcomes will enhance a re-balancing after a correction cycle.

    Here is the game pattern.

    1
    1
    2
    5
    3
    8
    2
    7
    2
    2
    1
    1
    1
    3
    2
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    9
    1
    1
    9
    1
    1
    2
    2        The o/a win rate 1-4 was 23/28 at only 83% below par but in the actual live play was 16/19  being 85% but took the 4 consecutive wins
    -----   at the 1 spin outcome cycle to crown the success this time.  Note there will be losing sessions and the test will be to mitigate loss.

    Also when observing random patterns in Nature often look for short symmetries which are signs that help us.

    Closing Balance to Palladio RB +66,315 units.

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #42 on: July 05, 2016, 07:31:18 am »
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  • My session at The Star was on a live wheel rapid roulette console, with a minimum bet of $1 to $500 on the corners.

    My testing of the 20,000 spins is two fold. Firstly, to only test the method, without variation, to see whether it holds up and secondly, if it does, do I need to go deep into the progression or maybe, write off the results at the stop loss point, take the 72 unit loss and start again.

    If this is the case, then an increase in unit value would/could be warranted as when the progression is used, as it is, it never recovers the loss to date and only promises a journey deeper into the progression.

    From what I have seen to date, there would appear no outcomes which give a warning of what is to come (either way), which is only to be expected in a random game.

    I will post the results of my progress every couple of days and if it doesn't hold, you will certainly know about it.

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #43 on: July 05, 2016, 08:05:57 am »
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  • My session at The Star was on a live wheel rapid roulette console, with a minimum bet of $1 to $500 on the corners.

    From what I have seen to date, there would appear no outcomes which give a warning of what is to come (either way), which is only to be expected in a random game.


    Thanks Mocco.  Most helpful - the rapid roulette consoles in Christchurch now feature two zero positions - is that the case in Sydney? It does not bother me as I just play 0-00 as a single bet independent account on a very slow progression but sufficient to provide a nice little bonus every now and then.

    Individual spins, read alone of course give no clue as to what may be about to happen, and in fact the sudden 7, 9 12 or worse can often follow a 1.  However the point I am making  today is that context, from 5-10-20 prior outcomes ( result cycles) can provide some indication. Cycles tend to cluster and there are two main cycles - win ( accumulative)and loss (corrective). The loss clusters seem to spread over a 5-10 outcome window. Have a look at your data sheets. I 'transform' spins into 'outcomes' and of course there may be several corner bet variations, as there could also be 6 line variations or all manner of 16 targets. What we really seek are 16 numbers which are most likely to hit, therefore probably not sleepers, but possibly warming repeaters and candidates in a moving window. Now this is a special research field within WF theory and I believe has a great deal of promise.

    Lastly I would like to mention the Jason Chan connection and his use of the 12-70-10 formula in contrast to the MB 8-44-10. Would you like to comment on this. I have been unable to contact Jason but have been in touch with ForeverBob who was a student of MB also.

    Thanks very much for your study. I can tell you well in advance that of your 20,000 spins there will be a 90% strike rate, for the 1-4 groupings of bets.

    I would certainly not expect flat staking to show any profit of course, but there is an opportunity with clever MM to handle an accumulating growth of profit and the first 2000 spins result is encouraging. There will be loss phases and win phases, and from my perspective a near break even result would be fantastic.

    I have already stated that 100 spin samples are useful, but 30 sessions of 666 spins might be most appropriate on lots of levels,. However a tranche of 100 spins live is very playable ( 2 hours) and 30 sessions x 7 of that would be very practical as working model, but not definitive. It would be essential that large samples from widely varying live spin casinos be supplied as group characteristics from one location do skew results.

    MM will be needed and the trick is to find by trial and error a simple practical ( not too complex) method for on site play.

    As mentioned earlier I think 2 levels of 4 step progression is useful, and the losses ( 432 units) could be shredded into say 2- 3 parts and played on following sessions where the initial base table rate is $5 as opposed to $2.50, or some such stepping. A trio of winning sessions and the loss could be evaporated.

    Loss sessions like win sessions tend to cluster so care should be taken.

    I have described the circumstances where multiple 1 spin win outcomes do follow and in win corrective mode there can be sometimes 4 or more in a sequence, and certainly longer 1+2 spin outcome wins sequences as already shown.

    Practice, practice, practice and you will gain some feeling for these conditions.

    Once again thanks for your contact and it will be necessary to read the MB book ( and corrections where available).

    Kind regards
    R.

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    Re: MB 16
    « Reply #44 on: July 05, 2016, 08:17:34 am »
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  • Latest table results for Palladio.

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    Again numerous examples as a strategic play for a 1 spin outcome to follow a prior 1 spin outcome - unit value could be increased for the one off opportunity. Four opportunities worked and 3 failed but units could be stepped after a failure as ABWAB.

    23/26  89% SR of 1-4 hit outcomes.

    A challenging strat with a 10% drawdown on the RB but finished at +73,815 units.