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Re: SPACETIME
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2016, 05:57:59 pm »
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  • In general I agree Rich, but I have a question tormenting my mind;

    How someone could "read" random patterns in order to use triggers and know when to start,continue,stop, in other words the timing parameters.

    I want to follow but I lost you...all I see in your reports is numbers and nicknames, generic/vague theory, but without any clarified explanation of HOW could this be possible it's pointless.

    Also I've another objection, if you could determine with reasonable good prediction accuracy what's going to happen in the first place, then why to rush out and leave?

    Always something happening, so if one of your specific bet selections stops, another will emerge out of chaos...

    What I'm trying to say is that hit and run makes no sense under any betting context, if you really have an edge, then the more you play the more you win.

    But saying something like I aim to win 100 units and if this happens in less than 10 spins, then I would rush out of the casino, it's like you think:"let's leave now before my luck changes"

    So if you depend on luck it won't be always with you on the first place, in such case what would you do? take your 100 loss and rush out again? or risk more in order to gain less?

    Your answers will be much appreciated.
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal


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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #16 on: August 11, 2016, 11:48:09 pm »
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  • In general I agree Rich, but I have a question tormenting my mind;

    How someone could "read" random patterns in order to use triggers and know when to start,continue,stop, in other words the timing parameters.

    I want to follow but I lost you...all I see in your reports is numbers and nicknames, generic/vague theory, but without any clarified explanation of HOW could this be possible it's pointless.

    Fortunately Blue Angel your torment may be relieved by my answers following. I hope so.


    It is actually very simple. I have already stated it but I will state it here again in the context of your excellent questions.

    Bet Characteristics. I have written on this subject for seven years and in essence it refers to the range of outcomes experienced by a player after a particular bet. This is empirical work, based on live spin direct live experience. Such is preferable to trawling through past records which has inherent bias. By playing live and using genuine 'trial and error' until arriving after massive sample tests ( 10,000 spins minimum in at least 100 sessions) the player will find optimal bet selection parameters and then must follow an analysis based on the chosen application of the distribution chart/graph of the resulting data recording the flow of play in a wide variety of cycles
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    Recall I have stated clearly MB16 is NOT a winning bet. Applied without care the bet will lose as corrective cycles will more than cancel out win cycles.

    The SH table is particularly challenging as it permits no compounding zero cover in a parallel game which is what I do live in the real live casino in order to cancel out the zero loss threat. In fact I view Zero as an Anchor Bet and a valid game ( with one target). However on the SH table there are not even zero splits available so the play is hamstrung further. Thus in order to beat that game with relish careful timing is essential. By the way you should also PM Plolp and see what is his secret as he is achieving extraordinary efficiency at 1.7 on the results. Mine for Bach are about 1.1, and Oasis battle away at 0.98
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    From the bet characteristics you find the range of trend patterns for win cycles, and the trend patterns for loss cycles.


    Repeatedly I have stated I use a 1 spin win cycle as a trigger, even if it is the first outcome encountered on the presentation screen. More often than not a winning sequence may follow, and in fact epic win cycles feature streaks of 1 and 2 win cycles but also and in particular examples of triads of 1 spin cycles. In real play these can be parlayed and on the SH table can still enable significant gains flat staking while playing at max limits. For example a picture bet on 14 can provide 103 units gain, being +10,300 units at max but of course less other bets exposed, often enabling a net gain of + 6500 units. Three of these mean a gain of +20,000 units.

    Experience has taught ( note the Roman maxim Experientia Docet) that it is prudent/ wise/ smart to stop/ pause after such a trio as samples of pst records indicates correction is not far off
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    [b]If you sit watching while wins continue in virtual space that is no issue. It is very pleasing knowing you are not losing.

    The methodology of 'trial and error' built the Cathedrals of Europe, and every location was a new experiment that had to be adapted to local conditions, materials, geo-tech (sub soil) and time frames. Sometimes the biggest ones collapsed at critical times. One famous example of adaptation in the face of risk of collapse is the original cathedral in Constantinople.
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    [b]That is why I stop - to avoid collapse.

    This goes so much further than the flawed logic of hit and run ( self delusion).

    This should be sufficient for you to understand what I am saying. This is not theory, but instead pragmatic and practical play based on solid valid observation and application, then adaptation to circumstances, such as quitting at the first sign of trouble
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    Also I've another objection, if you could determine with reasonable good prediction accuracy what's going to happen in the first place, then why to rush out and leave?

    Always something happening, so if one of your specific bet selections stops, another will emerge out of chaos...

    What I'm trying to say is that hit and run makes no sense under any betting context, if you really have an edge, then the more you play the more you win.

    But saying something like I aim to win 100 units and if this happens in less than 10 spins, then I would rush out of the casino, it's like you think:"let's leave now before my luck changes"

    So if you depend on luck it won't be always with you on the first place, in such case what would you do? take your 100 loss and rush out again? or risk more in order to gain less?

    Your answers will be much appreciated.

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #17 on: August 12, 2016, 12:12:05 am »
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  • So let's say I analyze 10,000 results, should I eventually draw the same conclusions as yours?
    Would I find the same as you did?
    As far as I understood, betting on RNG or "live" wheels does not make any difference for your method, correct?
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #18 on: August 12, 2016, 12:25:20 am »
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  • So let's say I analyze 10,000 results, should I eventually draw the same conclusions as yours?
    Would I find the same as you did?
    As far as I understood, betting on RNG or "live" wheels does not make any difference for your method, correct?

    No, not correct. How many times have I stated that RNG programs are designed to cheat the player. You would be crazy to play RNG. There is a difference though between a 'pure' RNG' that is generated outside of any desired bias, ie a casino client. There you may find it very hard to differentiate between RNG and live spins - and Bayes has a view on that.

    My concern would be to naively walk into the den of thieves ready to 'play'. No, not with RNG
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    So I play only on live wheels.

    As you are well aware 10,000 spins is a tiny sample and it would be foolish to derive the laws of the universe from an observation of perhaps one second, rather than a hundred years of experimental time; being a small sample results will be relatively subjective.

    I would suggest ideally 3 collaborators and 30 samples of 10,000 spin analysis.

    Then you might reach some agreement.

    Recall I have 30 years + experience to draw upon with my reading of any game. By this statement I mean that I have earned the right to have valuable direct experience which has been given full attention, and thus my intuition can draw upon this collective experience. It does not mean that my prior play has been smart or even profitable for every mistake possible has been made. The difference is that I have an attitude of smiling and somewhat ironic acceptance of this method of learning, and in many cases I have learned and adapted valuable methodologies while learning from the errors. It is a metaphor for Life of course. I should also add that I have been helped much in my efforts.

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #19 on: August 12, 2016, 08:27:05 am »
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    I would suggest ideally 3 collaborators and 30 samples of 10,000 spin analysis.

    Have you programmed your methods for extensive testing?

    300,000 results are approximately 12 years, if someone wouldn't play that long what's the point?

    Since you are experienced you should recognize  that a failure happens within 5,000 bets for 99% of the systems, usually in much less time.

    If I was to test so long every system which passed through my hands I wouldn't do anything else but testing!

    Like you, I'm not so fond of RNG's, additionally I wouldn't want to leak my best methods by submitting them to forums and coders.
    Therefore manual testing may take longer but overall better, besides the important is not the ''destination'' but how you've reached there..
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #20 on: August 12, 2016, 09:01:17 am »
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  • Have you programmed your methods for extensive testing?

    300,000 results are approximately 12 years, if someone wouldn't play that long what's the point?

    Since you are experienced you should recognize  that a failure happens within 5,000 bets for 99% of the systems, usually in much less time.

    If I was to test so long every system which passed through my hands I wouldn't do anything else but testing!

    Like you, I'm not so fond of RNG's, additionally I wouldn't want to leak my best methods by submitting them to forums and coders.
    Therefore manual testing may take longer but overall better, besides the important is not the ''destination'' but how you've reached there..

    Once again Blue Angel thanks for your excellent questions. You are tenacious.

    Curiously, I am very relaxed as I feel as if I have come out a tunnel through which the journey of exploration took place over many years.

    Wonderful to know all that is behind me, and that actually the answers can be distilled as a sort of 'simple' pattern. It reminds me of the journey in one of my favourite books, The Glass Bead Game, and searches, journeys, are the narratives we all wonder about and delight in sharing. Thomas the hero of the tale did achieve a dramatic beautiful self realisation through his studies, and his interactions where eventually , all came clear.

    Yes there has been some formidable testing conducted, much by colleagues of mine who in some cases have adapted aspects of my work and interwoven their own realisations. Results are wonderful. However they are not to be published, at this time anyway.

    As I stated to Mike recently, there has been extraordinary progress in five years , and I must say the past 12 months have been astonishing with progress on many many fronts. Roulette is a microcosm of aspects of Life and as such is a fascinating Matrix to explore. It is my belief that the game offers treasures through its generous pay outs, and sensible professional play can be very rewarding. Just because I mention 'Simplicity' does not mean that play is easy; far from it , and in fact it is extraordinarily humbling as any arrogance is crushed. It must always be played with reverence and respect, with precision and concentration, and thus in my current view, best if sessions be very short.

    Of course the timeframes I have nominated are possible through high speed live dealer internet, not the hallowed rooms of the Ritz although I have been given a year of a colleagues live play spin roulette there and these have been useful data given the spirit if live play spontaneity has been accurately recorded.  Further, by working with a network of colleagues experience can be accelerated, and your nominated twelve years reduced to one, which is totally appropriate and manageable. Good ideas need time.

    It seems most probable to me that appropriate publications in coming years will scientifically illustrate that previous imagined barriers have been shattered because experience now is so accelerated, which is a facet of our human consciousness which although most do not realize, is expanding and accelerating, just as is the physical universe, for the two are inter-connected of course.

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #21 on: August 12, 2016, 09:04:53 am »
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    a failure happens within 5,000 bets for 99% of the systems, usually in much less time.

    Let me clarify one very important thing, for me failure is when a system loses its bankroll before it makes it, the very moment it happens I'm discarding it immediately.

    But this is only the first of the eight checkpoints in my benchmark, overall net profit should remain constantly above periodic drawdowns, the bankroll should eventually eightfold of the initial without being eliminated during the whole procedure.

    These are my testing criteria, not a fixed number of spins but what reflects the risk and reward.
    What if a system loses 1000 units during 1,000,000 results but in the end has +100 net, would you consider such method a winner?
    Personally I wouldn't.
    What if a method would use such rare triggers which bets approximately 10,000 times out of 1,000,000 outcomes and at the end wins +15 units net, would you consider it a winner?
    If you ask me, I wouldn't.
    As you see I've very demanding expectations that's why I've in place strict criteria to separate the ''wheat from the chalk''.
    And there are a lot of craps to weed out, this is why I don't give them second chance.
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #22 on: August 12, 2016, 08:33:12 pm »
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  • Yes thanks for your your contribution here Blue Angel.

    I have written this thread to demonstrate how our images and goals can be directed to approach roulette in a constructive way, with hints of the power below the surface. What counts of course is that consistent profit can be enabled, sufficient to make it worthwhile. This is a pragmatic and empirical approach, not an academic and theoretical exercise. I have shown how a bet that is not a winning bet, ie no inherent edge, can be directed to achieve substantial profit given the right knowledge and application. Suitable bet selection and money management of course, but more than the sum of its parts.

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #23 on: August 12, 2016, 08:55:26 pm »
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  • Yes thanks for your your contribution here Blue Angel.

    I have written this thread to demonstrate how our images and goals can be directed to approach roulette in a constructive way, with hints of the power below the surface. What counts of course is that consistent profit can be enabled, sufficient to make it worthwhile. This is a pragmatic and empirical approach, not an academic and theoretical exercise. I have shown how a bet that is not a winning bet, ie no inherent edge, can be directed to achieve substantial profit given the right knowledge and application. Suitable bet selection and money management of course, but more than the sum of its parts.

    Questions like: when,where,what,who are pointless if we don't understand/know why.

    So Rich, do you know why such platform is the way it is?
    It could be a platform of 18 numbers, or 20 numbers, or 6 numbers, but is a platform of 16, do you know why??
    Or do you think it's just a randomly selected number?
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #24 on: August 12, 2016, 09:25:14 pm »
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  • Questions like: when,where,what,who are pointless if we don't understand/know why.

    So Rich, do you know why such platform is the way it is?
    It could be a platform of 18 numbers, or 20 numbers, or 6 numbers, but is a platform of 16, do you know why??
    Or do you think it's just a randomly selected number?

    Blue Angel, thank you for your contribution. All the above has already been dealt with thoroughly in my writing on the seed thought here which is to explore and celebrate the work of Martin Blakey, a specialist professional roulette player and writer, particularly in his choice of (various) 16 numbers for short progression play. I suggest you read my/ his material fully and more carefully before wasting my time with questions already sufficiently answered elsewhere, and I also suggest you pause, take a deep breath and consider the 'simple' points I have made in this particular thread. This is not a wild goose chase, but instead a commentary on looking below the surface of roulette outcomes to find a winning strategy even amongst the humblest of bet selections and in this particular case a table which has even more constraints for house advantage than a commercial casino.


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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #25 on: August 13, 2016, 09:52:56 pm »
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  • So there you have it -  an ongoing experiment where we have discussed a strategy that, even when with a tilt against us in excess of standard house edge as programmed into the rouletteplayers.org game, we have two players who are currently doing better than unintelligent luck would have us hope for. Oasis has reached +70,000 units and Bach, with classical skills has reached +118,000 units.

    I have shown that a simple platform bet set at the same 16 numbers ( ie not adjusting to any other 16, or adjusting for warm or hot numbers, or with progressed staking) simply flat staked, can be a winning strategy simply by adapting to timing.

    Timing is everything.

    Of course with the two players we would cash up in the real world, but this is an ongoing experiment and variance with such an approach as I have suggested requires a window of up to 30,000 units as maximum session loss, so to have multiples of 30,000 in the RB is preferred.

    I will see if Kubrick can be persuaded to come back on the stage. Bach had it easy, but Oasis had to bounce along on the bottom for quite a while before enabling and consolidating escape velocity, ie had about 30 RB re-starts.

    Hope this is of interest to others. Recall my simple trigger is to encounter when I first log on a previous ( not even necessarily a one spin hot outcome), so again a bit more tilt in favour of the loss cycle. better to actually wait to see a one spin outcome confirmed, but I can be impatient at times and then have to dig out of a hole. More likely to be in a win cycle if the previous outcome is a one spin win.

    I will record some data on this when Kubrick resumes.

    Quick update.

    Kubrick is underway again.

    Oasis has +40,000 after recovering from two losing sessions that had very very few single spin wins.

    Kubrick is +25,000 following recommended guidelines.

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #26 on: August 21, 2016, 07:25:45 am »
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  • Okay

    This has been an interesting couple of weeks while away from home base.

    On the rouletteplayers.org site I have three key players all with different modes/ styles but at this moment here is the position :

    Bach    +118,035  approx 1.06

    Oasis
       +129,500  approx  0.98

    Kubrick
    +90,000  approx 1.06

    I play flat and to the max  on all spins selected to play live.

    The key variable I use to my advantage is timing of entry, duration of play, exit.

    This result is nothing compared to the astonishing +3.5 or more of Plolp at the top of the Leaderboard. Well done Plolp.

    Alert - what has happened to Plolp?

    Now will be switching next week to live real money  play and the simple but effective timing principles applied here will be used with confidence.  Recall I can apply these more effectively now on MB116 because I know the bet characteristics and the frequent flow patterns of outcomes. I know the warning signs to pause or stop and I know the encouraging signs to start or continue an attack ( the 1 spin cycle outcome).

    Best wishes to all who continue to experiment and try fresh ideas, or who add to existing work, and share this knowledge.

    In this work we must always look forward and put our past mistakes behind us, and let them go. This enables fresh constructive energy to be harnessed and progress will be exponential.

    Roulette is so full of potential success, and timing is a major key to progress. There are other variables and these will be considered soon in this thread.

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    Re: SPACETIME
    « Reply #27 on: August 23, 2016, 08:05:59 am »
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  • Well over the past few weeks great progress has been made in finding a better balance and feel for the sense of timing necessary to win. That is why the new thread, and the new title.

    As at this evening our three heroes have gone well and recovered earlier losses.

    Kubrick +118,000 units

    Bach     +118,000 units

    Oasis    +137,000 units

    It has taken me months to find this more balanced approach trying to extend access to win cycles, and quickly exit wasteful or corrective cycles. I will write more fully on this but recall MB16 is NOT a winning bet, yet here we are. It is all in the timing.