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[Wewin2222]

I wonder from time to time if someone actually had the Holy Grail for winning in Baccarat; Why would they share it? I am a very good player and I often laugh when I hear people say the game of Baccarat can't be beat. That is like saying Chess, Checkers, Black Jack ect. can't be beat. Any game can be beat however people might choose to do it in different ways.

Wewin2222

[Qswaggerstupid18]

Very Very True!!!... 1000% 

[james]

Thanks for telling that Mathematicians who claim that negative expectations games can't be beaten are wrong!

[alrelax]

It is all in perspective to what one says, 'beaten'.  If you are referring to shoe after shoe after shoe, day after day after day, it cannot be done.  No way, no way, no way, no how!  You, me or anyone, period.  Cannot be.

If you are talking about other ways and in certain playing time, it is possible. 

[21 Aces]

I'm just over a year in and play with players with decades of experience.  I see the same players day in and day out.  Baccarat shoes vary in degree of difficulty with ones that have no strong formations and a lot of breaks being more difficult. 

The bug out trigger on most experienced players is very quick, but a well capitalized player could drive through a shoe if they really wanted to.  Depends on factors like high payout bets available, free hands as an option, bank roll and bet size vs table minimum, right?

[21 Aces]

A player with a typical bet ranging from several hundred to thousands per hand can free hand or $50 up where I play.  So... a player can throw up $50 or $100 bets here and there and go down a few thousand and make it up in a few plays.  They can free hand to the limit of not being annoying or whatever.  The range on $10's is pretty broad as well.

I have never ever seen a player get one hint of heat for varying bet size.   There are times where it is not about the money, but like everyone can see it's the dollar balance volume of net win what must be greater than that of loss.

I see top players get rolled every night on certain segments of play.  I see everyone line up on a side all of the time and get rolled.  Doesn't mean people aren't winning.

Baccarat is deadly easy to win at.  $100 a day average is $36,500 a year and $300 a day average is six figures a year.  Name something else that is so easy.  But most players don't incorporate the degree of control in their game.  They want to average a lot more with much higher risk.

$51,759
The U.S. Census Bureau reported in September 2014 that: U.S. real (inflation adjusted) median household income was $51,939 in 2013 versus $51,759 in 2012, statistically unchanged. In 2013, real median household income was 8.0 percent lower than in 2007, the year before the latest recession.

As for source of money, I am sure I have played with players ranging from the hottest money possible to very sound source money.  As long as the house is following gaming law and protocol they aren't going to get too much into matters.


Loss pace can be this fast without control over it:




Not sure how you think that thousands of hours in one of the biggest baccarat casinos in the world is inexperienced, but I play among the best for sure.

[21 Aces]

The holy grail is learn, learn, learn and fight, fight, fight.  Ball players have been copying each other for years.  If you play at a decent house you should be able to learn from strong players.

Two nights ago very rough and dangerous play versus last night easy as can be.  What changed?  A couple hot shoes with Michael Shumacher right next to me and Danica Patrick right behind me co-driving.  Night before last I got in anxiety Tasmanian Devil mode where I move around all over looking for that perfect strike.  Same house, same time of day, same shoes more or less, but busier last night.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v27Hk5OIe-k

[21 Aces]

For such experience, SOME PLAYERS AROUND HERE, should have more confidence and a better grip on the game.  I guess they have made it to 'In the Long Run'.


Do you think some of those flying on these win?  SOME?  Privates at LAS:

[21 Aces]

This whole convo is starting to become like Rounders.  Matt Damon bro tries to make berate Italian player bro for not going big time and winning one hand against Master bro and going straight to the cashier right after.  He even makes fun of Italian bro player for not beating or bucking up against Russian Oreo Cookie bro.

Hell, Italian bro is a money maker and he wins, wins, wins, his own way.

[21 Aces]

Wow, cry baby deleted my posts.  You claim you made a Cadillac Escalade in one session, but can't play pro?  Can't make $500 + AVERAGE a session?  How about $250?  I play nearly every day on top of 12-14 hours of business.  I call 100% bull on you at this point.

My house is better than yours.

My player colleagues are better than yours.

My MOST BOSS marquee players have zero hesitation interacting and playing with anybody.

We put in work every day.

[alrelax]

You brought it personal.  As well you have called names and labeled me, something you know very little about.  I won't bring conversation the way you desire to bring it, sparring and chastising.

I have had great times, play almost four decades, won a ton of money, lost considerable money.  Never lost my largest wins, unlike many I know.  Lots of sad and nasty stories I have been privy to, all personal, not from the internet is what I am trying to say.

The problem I have, is you attempt to drum into everyone's minds how easy it is and how (in summation for right now) all you have to do is follow the leader, etc.  I never said you or anyone could not make $100 a day or even $300.  I said the game cannot be beat.  The problem is we all have different perspectives and different desires and goals.

If you don't understand where I am coming from or agree with my attempt to lay out what I know (generically without location or wager size or goals, etc.), then I apologize. But, there are many other factors and attributes to this game other than following the leader, plowing through a shoe and specing out a Lear or Falcon jet, etc.   

Also, I do not believe I ever said anything derogatory about anyone playing pro?  If I did, show me, I will explain what I said or correct it.  But you seem to humiliate me about myself not going pro.  I would never consider it.  I have several kids to support and raise.  I have obligations.  I am realizing well over $100k a year on contract salary as well as a car, expenses, housing, commission and bonus factors.  I have other business ventures forthcoming this year that I looked forward to for the past several years.  Personally I never would go pro, never ever.  There just simply is no security or financial stability in it when others depend on you, that is my thought train on it, doesn't apply to anyone else and I have no derogatory opinion against anyone personal, if anyone desires to go pro, etc.

[21 Aces]

Believe it or not, other players watch what I do.
Most like a lot of strong players around.

What is beat the game. Is that like in Super Mario where some special prize screen lights up?



And this is what gets me most.  There are countless employees and people that do very little and make money professionally.  How is that possible?  Wouldn't there be a billion applicants for every such job.  Wouldn't companies not offer such jobs?  Wouldn't companies go out of business having such inefficient workers? 

[Wewin2222]

Through the years I've made the game of Baccarat so very complicated because my hearts desire was to know the game inside and out. I would look at the game at many different angle's and I would ask myself questions like, why did it break on 3 or how come it only ran 5 times and stopped. I have learned that those are not necessarily the right question's to be asking. Let's be honest most people who would be considered a good player, follow the shoe and they can absolutely tell you why they wagered the way they did. Howevere the problem with this is the casino knows that they are a good player and they know that they can follow the shoe. EXAMPLE: A good player will generally be on the run and they will notice that the shoe is producing a lot of 2's and they will basically follow what is happening. This was the me for many years and it kept me coming back. I could make money short term but never long term or consistently. I now know how to beat the game and sometimes I want to share my knowledge with everybody but then I consider the blood, sweat, and tears that I have poured into knowing what I know and I just can't bring myself to really share the true pearls of wisdom. I'm also in a situation that I don't care who believe's me or not. My hope is that everyone could be successful but few are willing to pay the price.

Wewin2222

[21 Aces]

If you don't think you can play the game professionally, stop advising others.  Seriously, you might have the technique and skill set, but psychologically you are elsewhere.

I am surrounded by the same players day in and day out.  Many of them are well advanced in their years where activities of daily living become a challenge.  AND THEY STILL PUT PAPER DOWN RANGE HARDER THAN MOST HERE EVER WILL.

[alrelax]

To clear the air, I hope this will.  Problem is, you assume a lot and twist and turn it and add things that I did not say or perhaps said in gist or pun. 

I have stated, to the best of my knowledge, what I thought (and BTW lots of others agree) about playing baccarat pro, full time, every day.  I believe I always gave my opinion and nothing more than my opinion.  That will not change.  Once again, "IMO it is a bad move to play every day, day in and day out for a career".  Doesn't mean that it is not done or cannot be successfully done.  That is my opinion as an experienced long time player.  Properties are uniquely cyclic and almost every locale has players that fade and almost all of them after a number of years will turn over and no longer be playing.  Not that they get rich and quit or move to an island paradise, more like they go broke.  I have numerous family members all over the country in the casino industry.  My daughter was a corporate exec at Seminole in Florida for almost 15 years and now in Vegas.  I have very close friends and family all over in the business.  Couple that with playing in many locales, I have seen it repeatedly.  Vegas, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut and parts of the Midwest.  That is what I base my decision to form my opinion on regarding 'going pro'.  Oh lord, I know people that are great race car drivers, hunters, and sports people.  They all have careers and would never ever change that for many reasons.  Doesn't  make them one bit less knowledgeable or competent than a pro in their own sport or business, etc.  Not one bit.

As far as psychologically, I am a ultra positive person at the tables and strive for camaraderie beyond what you could imagine.  However, here on this message board, I DO NOT AND CANNOT urge people to risk their money and put any kind of false hopes or huge potential into their minds.  It would be totally wrong to paint a picture, such as you do with the ease of winning and similar 'no brainer--follow the leader' type of statements, etc. 

You have labeled me and said you piece, I said mine with this being the last on it.  Your assumption has been said and written that I am basically bull S*** and lesser of a baccarat player and person because I never went pro and/or have the confidence to go pro.  I also addressed all that and my reasons why I did not and will not, etc., in a thread I wrote this morning.  That thread is posted.  Thanks.