*******7 on 1*******

JohnLegend · January 14, 2013, 06:56:01 PM

Quote from: VLS on January 14, 2013, 06:34:13 PM
I certainly hope it isn't the case!

Relax Victor, human nature being what it is, not even 10 people will ever use this method faithfully. Meaning little threat to the powers that be.

Meaning no threats.

Chauncy47 · January 14, 2013, 07:33:10 PM

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 14, 2013, 06:56:01 PM
Relax Victor, human nature being what it is, not even 10 people will ever use this method faithfully. Meaning little threat to the powers that be.

Meaning no threats.

You're right. Patience and Discipline

JohnLegend · January 14, 2013, 07:40:54 PM

Quote from: Chauncy47 on January 14, 2013, 07:33:10 PM
Your right. Patience and Discipline

Two things that few humans have.

wannawin · January 15, 2013, 01:33:42 AM

QuoteRelax Victor, human nature being what it is, not even 10 people will ever use this method faithfully. Meaning little threat to the powers that be.

Meaning no threats.

As far as the casino is concerned we are just crazy and casino has us in the palm of the hand.

Rest assured you will not get death threats. Not even approaches to talk about bribery.

JohnLegend · January 15, 2013, 05:37:41 AM

Quote from: wannawin on January 15, 2013, 01:33:42 AM
As far as the casino is concerned we are just crazy and casino has us in the palm of the hand.

Rest assured you will not get death threats. Not even approaches to talk about bribery.

Casinos never worry. Their confidence is built upon what they know of human nature Everything else is just there to confuse and distract.

If enough people could be programmed to read between the lines they WOULD be in trouble. But that's never going to be the case. So it will always be a tiny minority that can beat them consistently.

While the masses pay for it all.

Bayes · January 16, 2013, 04:04:09 PM

John, I'm just finalizing the simulation for 7 on 1 which takes account of the zero (that pesky zero is a pain in the a*** for coders as well as players); could you do me a favour and upload some of your tested spins? I want to check that the code generates the same results that you've got.

Cheers!

JohnLegend · January 16, 2013, 04:17:36 PM

Quote from: Bayes on January 16, 2013, 04:04:09 PM
John, I'm just finalizing the simulation for 7 on 1 which takes account of the zero (that pesky zero is a pain in the a*** for coders as well as players); could you do me a favour and upload some of your tested spins? I want to check that the code generates the same results that you've got.

Cheers!

Hi Bayes are you referring to the tests I've done against your 1 million actuals?

Bayes · January 16, 2013, 04:54:28 PM

Not necessarily, they could be any numbers, I just want to compare your results with those that the program generates. If you've been working through the 1M actuals file from the beginning then I could use that - just let me know how many units/bets you made in the first few hundred spins, that should be enough. Or I could post the output here and you could compare with your results.

JohnLegend · January 16, 2013, 05:02:16 PM

Quote from: Bayes on January 16, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
Not necessarily, they could be any numbers, I just want to compare your results with those that the program generates. If you've been working through the 1M actuals file from the beginning then I could use that - just let me know how many units/bets you made in the first few hundred spins, that should be enough. Or I could post the output here and you could compare with your results.

Okay I've got 50 odd results for Dozen 1 on your actuals. Keep in mind im a technophobe. So I will try and copy paste them to here. Give me a while.

JohnLegend · January 16, 2013, 05:10:31 PM

21
19
29
36
7
7
16
12
20
2
7
11
6**
34
24
35
12----04--dozen 1
8**
23
24
22
22
10----05--dozen 1
27
18
28
15
21
17
28
4-----08--dozen 1
30
1
8**
16
36
13
2-----04--dozen 1
24
4**
30
17
18
31
1-----05--dozen 1
29
27
25
3-----04--dozen 1
7
1
18
33
7
35
11
1
17
14
9
19
6
4
35
6
6**
19
34
0
26
30
13
35
16
11----09--dozen 1
7**
27
13
35
13
7-----05--dozen 1
12
7
10
24
26
5
22
24
6
25
10
31
35
10
30
13
6
26
29
3
15
2**
21
14
29
9-----04--dozen 1
14
7**
34
14
20
3-----04--dozen 1
14
30
0
28
15
36
5-----07--dozen 1
28
23
34
23
15
14
29
35
1-----09--dozen 1
0
23
24
16
17
20
12----07--dozen 1
19
11
36
16
12
28
9
27
5
7
18
28
4**
22----150
24
17
28
23
30
14
2-----08--dozen 1
27
29
32
22
16
36
20
1-----08--dozen 1
4
16
4
28
27
5
14
0
7**
25
18
29
18
34
19
23
19
11----09--dozen 1
3
3**
35
35
20
27
10----05--dozen 1
16
4
16
10**
15
17
26
24
33
17
19
33
16
9-----10--dozen 1
5
16
30
13
16
2
28
13
8
19
3
21
4
14
2
5
12
11
32
7
35
11**
20
17
16
14
2-----05--dozen 1
35
7
20
18
3**
24
30
31
30
17
26
23
10----08--dozen 1
30
30
6
16
10
26
27
8
28
4
9
24
22
10
3
20
3
21
3
3
7**
17
36
33
17
22
33
16
10----08--dozen 1
7
8
11
9
26
25
7**
36
25
24
29
34
35
28
2-----08--dozen 1
27
36
24
29
21
18
5-----07--dozen 1
14
34
17
19
27
17
3-----07--dozen 1
5
27
12
12
6**
19
18
18
30
15
22
4-----07--dozen 1
18
33
26
4-----04--dozen 1
19
33
28
7-----04--dozen 1
33
7**
29
17
14
14
29
10----06--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(01)
30
23
20
19
26
9-----05--dozen 1
36
31
5**
33
16
16
26
21
20
29
33
21
2-----10--dozen 1
33
27
26
4-----04--dozen 1
27
19
30
25
26
35
22
7-----08--dozen 1
26
17
23
23
7-----05--dozen 1
30
18
24
21
30
18
36
30
19
9-----10--dozen 1
9**
16
19
32
32
21
18
1-----07--dozen 1
7
12
4
24
4
20
1**
22
20
21
7-----04--dozen 1
26
23
15
21
0
27
9-----07--dozen 1
29
1**
34
14
36
4-----04--dozen 1
34
0
28
1-----04--dozen 1
15
0
14
15
30
14
28
0
9-----09--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(02)
27
33
9**
22
22
35
16
17
4-----06--dozen 1
13
24
26
28
16
18
2-----07--dozen 1
18
9**
20
35
0
13
17
26
15
12----08--dozen 1
6
34
36
6
9
4
10
1**
27
21
14
13
35
21
24
0
31
25
14
32
10----13--dozen 1
17
36
22
34
12----05--dozen 1
8
22
2**
27
32
13
31
17
21
32
29
15
28
19
14
12----13--dozen 1
6
36
4
3
12**
20
24
36
12----04--dozen 1
24
10
16
0
22
25
32
9-----06--dozen 1
22
27
28
20
1-----05--dozen 1
33
8**
28
35
18
14
14
33
22
21
24
31
29
8-----12--dozen 1
10**
18
18
14
8-----04--dozen 1
29
16
10
27
28
7
11**
29
13
14
4-----04--dozen 1
20
32
25
35
9-----05--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(03)
16
11
14
9
26
29
6**
16
36
33
12----04--dozen 1
24
13
30
24
26
13
22
9-----08--dozen 1
12**
22
34
17
18
32
35
1-----07--dozen 1
3**
15
23
16
25
12----05--dozen 1
3**
23
21
17
14
30
7-----06--dozen 1
15
13
23
23
25
0
21
18
12----09--dozen 1
27
23
34
24
8-----05--dozen 1
3
0
8
11
29
11
6
5**
18
26
24
29
17
18
26
28
13
22
6-----11--dozen 1
3
16
14
0
17
35
7-----06--dozen 1
29
26
25
25
17
19
35
36
15
13
26
13
25
23
33
0
17
10----18--dozen 1
4
5
36
12
19
11
11
35
1**
0
32
22
20
17
27
17
27
28
20
8-----11--dozen 1
33
2
18
0
1**
14
18
18
14
7-----05--dozen 1
30
18
32
25
29
19
5-----07--dozen 1
36
31
33
25
26
28
29
5-----08--dozen 1
0
8
32
1
11**
17
27
23
35
18
7-----06--dozen 1
3
20
4
6**
28
36
25
11----04--dozen 1
1
11**
25
26
36
8-----04--dozen 1
29
29
25
24
9-----05--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(04)
18
19
16
9-----04--dozen 1
30
32
19
26
17
0
9-----07--dozen 1
15
29
4
1
4**
0
31
35
5-----04--dozen 1
24
32
4
6
12
29
28
8
21
10
35
32
3**
17
15
32
10----04--dozen 1
20
18
31
30
27
24
12----07--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(05)
26
14
35
36
16
13
31
7-----08--dozen 1
16
25
11
30
28
15
7-----07--dozen 1
4
4
30
29
4**
36
28
22
4-----04--dozen 1
4
11
16
14
7
24
30
8
32
8
18
9
33
4
9**
33
20
26
1-----04--dozen 1
5
16
21
8**
20
13
19
12----04--dozen 1
21
22
6
23
1
8**
16
17
32
0----STEP 2 LOSS DUE TO ZERO
18
14
6-----07--dozen 1
7**
32
29
18
28
33
31
9-----07--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 3 FOR 7 ON 1--(06)
33
10**
15
24
27
2-----04--dozen 1
18
19
7**
26
26
26
11----04--dozen 1
19
8
22
20
9**
28
30
24
3-----04--dozen 1
0
7
20
24
1
7
16
17
11
12**
15
24
24
33
3-----05--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 2 FOR 7 ON 1--(07)
25
23
3
20
23
2
4**
20
19
35
34
36
0
18
28
21
7-----10--dozen 1
12
11
31
30
12
34
12
23
10
4
36
4**
33
15
33
7-----04--dozen 1
12
9
11
21
22
10
26
1**
20
36
14
36
28
8-----06--dozen 1
4
21
1**
20
0
23
33
6-----05--dozen 1
31
6**
14
25
18
34
10----05--dozen 1
27
20
15
8-----04--dozen 1
2**
13
31
17
28
7-----05--dozen 1
28
23
29
27
17
29
28
27
1-----09--dozen 1
29
35
35
15
30
18
15
30
12----09--dozen 1
1**
32
14
35
14
17
2-----06--dozen 1
35
21
23
26
29
3-----06--dozen 1
16
20
31
16
33
27
25
33
29
13
7-----11--dozen 1
20
20
16
12----04--dozen 1
16
15
15
28
8-----05--dozen 1
1
29
4
33
1
36
8
28
1**
17
27
28
30
5-----05--dozen 1
32
34
29
3-----04--dozen 1
23
6
27
11**
36
13
27
35
19
18
10-----07--dozen 1
26
11
9**
32
15
32
29
26
34
24
26
17
13
17
12----12--dozen 1
27
12
13
10
11
29
28
3**
36
25
27
16
14
10----06--dozen 1
21
8**
14
18
23
7-----04--dozen 1
11**
18
15
23
31
25
34
16
31
25
4-----10--dozen 1
13
23
33
35
19
14
4-----07--dozen 1
9
7
32
9
5**
29
16
25
24
6-----05--dozen 1
5
20
15
1
8**
14
33
33
32
0
24
35
2-----08--dozen 1
27
33
12
32
23
12**
26
32
13
9-----04--dozen 1
1
32
29
32
18
29
16
33
30
36
24
11----11--dozen 1
30
20
11
17
6
7
26
20
11
1**
28
34
29
33
11----05--dozen 1
5
32
27
29
34
4-----05--dozen 1
13
4**
21
19
13
31
17
27
10----07--dozen 1
22
34
22
6-----04--dozen 1
21
10
35
7
21
8
19
24
3
12
10
3
26
0
1**
31
25
15
36
28
35
33
34
1-----09--dozen 1
6**
20
16
17
5-----04--dozen 1
36
14
0
16
18
28
12----07--dozen 1
13
12**
23
31
36
12----04--dozen 1
12**
32
22
23
8-----04--dozen 1
5
13
33
5
17
5**
18
27
26
26
9-----05--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(08)
17
35
3
3
8
36
8
9
7**
36
32
21
24
18
26
1-----07--dozen 1
17
23
29
24
17
18
2-----07--dozen 1
18
6
33
15
1
0
11
26
28
12
4
7
34
5
35
6**
27
26
19
32
21
24
19
21
23
8-----10--dozen 1
29
1**
27
29
30
3-----04--dozen 1
14
21
16
21
6-----05--dozen 1
27
27
17
8-----04--dozen 1
22
13
10
5
5
31
22
3
32
15
5**
0
23
31
31
9-----05--dozen 1
5
28
4
19
9
1**
26
27
32
18
15
20
36
33
11----09--dozen 1
29
28
4
3
15
11**
22
27
17
7-----04--dozen 1
0
18
18
24
12----05--dozen 1
29
2**
26
34
31
24
31
1-----06--dozen 1
8**
25
23
18
26
30
28
26
16
23
15
29
15
13
23
3-----15--dozen 1
34
1
8**
28
24
26
26
34
26
8-----07--dozen 1
19
26
36
31
24
27
33
14
12----09--dozen 1
31
8
24
4
2
7**
33
0
29
1-----04--dozen 1
24
6
8**
15
34
19
2-----04--dozen 1
16
12**
31
19
32
33
2-----05--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(09)
18
11
25
24
1**
0
0
20
34
27
26
2-----07--dozen 1
32
31
27
4-----04--dozen 1
19
27
36
33
33
17
11----07--dozen 1
20
11
24
0
3
1
21
8**
32
27
22
32
34
30
31
26
29
6-----10--dozen 1
2
24
23
2
24
12
10
13
11
35
34
2**
15
13
33
33
1-----05--dozen 1
13
18
12
2**
13
18
29
23
1-----05--dozen 1
17
2**
26
23
23
36
34
4-----06--dozen 1
32
18
34
29
36
27
19
8-----08--dozen 1
9
21
18
7
2
9
13
3
3**
13
25
17
16
3-----05--dozen 1
8
32
11**
22
31
35
19
27
6-----06--dozen 1
28
29
3
34
12
30
2
6**
18
32
13
0
0
21
28
17
30
32
1-----11--dozen 1
24
25
10
1
4**
36
18
13
20
29
2-----06--dozen 1
32
20
9**
16
28
35
2-----04--dozen 1
10
26
1
14
32
12
8**
35
0
32
3-----04--dozen 1
8
33
8
10
7
18
1
4
2
2
9
3**
13
27
29
31
8-----05--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(10)
31
16
10
5
33
5
32

These are the first 10 Bayes is this enough??

Bayes · January 16, 2013, 05:19:24 PM

Great! that's plenty, thanks John.

Bayes · January 16, 2013, 05:40:00 PM

I don't get this -

4-----07--dozen 1
18
33
26
4-----04--dozen 1
19
33
28
7-----04--dozen 1 TRIGGER
33
7**
29
17
14
14 -- shouldn't you have bet HERE?
29
10----06--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(01)

JohnLegend · January 16, 2013, 05:59:33 PM

Quote from: Bayes on January 16, 2013, 05:40:00 PM
I don't get this -

4-----07--dozen 1
18
33
26
4-----04--dozen 1
19
33
28
7-----04--dozen 1 TRIGGER
33
7**
29
17
14
14 -- shouldn't you have bet HERE?
29
10----06--dozen 1-----WIN STEP 1 FOR 7 ON 1--(01)

Yes Bayes I just highlight where the dozen comes to rest. Once it passes 4 its an automatic winner. And yes the two fours is the trigger.

I take it for granted because its so in my system. Sorry for any confusion.

Bayes · January 16, 2013, 06:10:45 PM

Ok, no worries.

Bayes · January 17, 2013, 09:51:25 AM

John, here are the results which the program produced from your spins above. I'd appreciate it if you could look over them because there is a difference from your results, in particular, +11 units were made and not +10.

The numbers to the right of the spins show the gaps between doz 1, a "L" shows a bet which was lost, and an asterisk shows a trigger.

21 1
19 2
29 3
36 4
7 5
7 1
16 1
12 2
20 1
2 2
7 1
11 1
6 1
34 1
24 2
35 3
12 4
8 1
23 1
24 2
22 3
22 4
10 5
27 1
18 2
28 3
15 4
21 5
17 6
28 7
4 8
30 1
1 2
8 1
16 1
36 2
13 3
2 4
24 1
4 2
30 1
17 2
18 3
31 4
1 5
29 1
27 2
25 3
3 4
7 1
1 1
18 1
33 2
7 3
35 1
11 2
1 1
17 1
14 2
9 3
19 1
6 2
4 1
35 1
6 2
6 1
19 1
34 2
0 3
26 4
30 5
13 6
35 7
16 8
11 9
7 1
27 1
13 2
35 3
13 4
7 5
12 1
7 1
10 1
24 1
26 2
5 3
22 1
24 2
6 3
25 1
10 2
31 1
35 2
10 3
30 1
13 2
6 3
26 1
29 2
3 3
15 1
2 2
21 1
14 2
29 3
9 4
14 1
7 2
34 1
14 2
20 3
3 4 *
14 1
30 2
0 3
28 4 +1
15 5
36 6
5 7
28 1
23 2
34 3
23 4
15 5
14 6
29 7
35 8
1 9
0 1
23 2
24 3
16 4
17 5
20 6
12 7
19 1
11 2
36 1
16 2
12 3
28 1
9 2
27 1
5 2
7 1
18 1
28 2
4 3
22 1
24 2
17 3
28 4
23 5
30 6
14 7
2 8
27 1
29 2
32 3
22 4
16 5
36 6
20 7
1 8
4 1
16 1
4 2
28 1
27 2
5 3
14 1
0 2
7 3
25 1
18 2
29 3
18 4
34 5
19 6
23 7
19 8
11 9
3 1
3 1
35 1
35 2
20 3
27 4
10 5
16 1
4 2
16 1
10 2
15 1
17 2
26 3
24 4
33 5
17 6
19 7
33 8
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