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[alrelax]

False conception and getting sucked in.  They are the two biggest pitfalls of the game.  I see it all the time.  Sometimes it is so obvious and others not so much at all but still just as dangerous and costly.  Will elaborate in the morning.  On the way home from the casino.....

[alrelax]

There are plenty of perceptions about playing baccarat.  I touched on the majority of them, such as--Illusions, Perceptions, Intuitions and Frame-of-Mind, etc., in other threads and in my Blog on this board.

I was at the casino last night and I will tell you, I seen it very clearly how the highest majority of the players are 100% believing in what they see.  There really is little interpretation and experience applied.  This is why the game of baccarat is making the casinos so much revenue. 

As far as so many people claiming to be able to do this or that with an 'iron-clad' 8% or 10% or 20% (whatever the numbers may be) profit each and every time they play----is almost fallacy.  Yes people win and people lose.  For those that claim a 100% success rate at any fixed or unfixed amount, is virtually impossible with the game.

Anyway, with that said, the game of baccarat is a great game if a player can control his emotions, don't fall prey to the perceptions, illusions and frame-of-mind that causes him to believe in the false boundaries he artificially sees. 

"Side-Lined":  Don't get side-lined during a dominate progression of any type (weak or strong) when another player is betting against that progression.  It happens so much and kills so many rightful thinking players.

"Play Your Game":  Inexperienced or lack of years playing cannot be gained by large chip stack wagers to chop a side.  Can't be done.  Period. 

MISC:  Don't get shaken, back off or switch sides to the other players, just because of their bet size.  Seen it last night numerous times.  Just because someone is throwing up thousands on one side, the players that were so skillfully winning their smaller wagers got sucked in.  And sucked in big time. 

Be in line with a shoe that is clearly dominate or easily readable.  So many shoes are just that, yet others ones will change up repeatedly throughout and have no readable fact to the players. 

Don't fall into the fallacy of a chop or going to the least expectant side just because of a large wager, as I said before and that happens so so many times! 

There is much to be said about other players and their personalities and a real smart player will be able to classify and discover what the other players are about.  Other players can make or break you and that is where so many fail.  What kind of personalities are there?  Well here is my short list:

The Power Player
The Magic Player
The Momentum Player
The Camaraderie Player
The Resentment Player
The Follower Player

When is it enough to stop?:  If you don't play, you cannot win any more if you are winning.
Play and you might lose what you won or lose additional if you are already losing.
It has to be one of the most difficult questions in gambling today. 

There are real ways to gauge 'When it is enough to stop'.  I wrote about this in particular before in other threads and my Blog.  Here is the short answer:

Experience and gauging.
Apply you past plateaus because you generally cannot surpass those each time.
Govern yourself according to your money management and progressions you apply.
Have a certain amount of your wins fuel your buy-in (chip stack) your reserve and your locked up funds.

If you figure those out you will improve your gambling by huge leaps and bounds as well as never risk losing your win money after a certain point.  Never. 

I saw several players last night lost over $20,000 of pure win money combined within 2 shoes.  Extremely sad and very blatantly the way they did it.  Happens all the time.  Know your plateaus and develop a rock solid money management system that will fuel your 3 important areas of concern, that way you will never fall into that kind of player mismanagement and oblivious knowledge.

There are many deceptive and very dangerous bac player's nightmares at the tables.  Smart people (outside of the casino) fall for most of them often and no one can tell them anything or change their mind.  It is human nature and they are blinded to the ways things happen at the bac table.  It is not just the cards---there are so many other factors and most of the players are just oblivious to the influences and how they make their gambling decisions. 

[Babu]

As far as so many people claiming to be able to do this or that with an 'iron-clad' 8% or 10% or 20% (whatever the numbers may be) profit each and every time they play----is almost fallacy.  Yes people win and people lose.  For those that claim a 100% success rate at any fixed or unfixed amount, is virtually impossible with the game.

I'm confused.  I thought you made those claim.  (Sarcasm)

On a serious note, I believe there is a small percentage (1%) of Baccarat players that are winning and they are not being delusional either.  You might be right about winning 100% of the time but I don't see any making those claims.  At least I didn't notice anyone making those claims besides Alrelax.  But of course this is only happening because he dopes himself with magical dust.

[alrelax]

You seriously cannot  differentiate between Pun and realism?

[brokerny]

of course not in every case, but I've noticed baccarat players seem to be more truthful when they speak of their winning and losing experiences.

[alrelax]

I'm confused.  I thought you made those claim.  (Sarcasm)

On a serious note, I believe there is a small percentage (1%) of Baccarat players that are winning and they are not being delusional either.  You might be right about winning 100% of the time but I don't see any making those claims.  At least I didn't notice anyone making those claims besides Alrelax.  But of course this is only happening because he dopes himself with magical dust.

No BABU, I did not.  If you are referring to the 'Pun' thread where I admitted no less than twice it was a 'Saturday Night Live' type of skit/analogy, whatever.  Magical dust and sprinkling Voodoo-have we ever done it at the big tables---sure.  Did we do it in the scientific and mathematical believes that cards change as I cited in a thread based on 'Pun'.  Come on man, seriously.  I do haz-mat spill release response for my career.  I am a serious guy to a point, but I have my outlets whether it is a 23 year old state police officer threatening me on the highway when he is clearly wrong or a baccarat player at the table shoving in a table max wager with the verbiage, 'I will make it cut', and he totally believe he can.  When I am in a situation I can exploit--laugh so hard I get a tear from my eye or two--and release some of the common and mundane day-to-day drift, so be it.   

I have said, I have a rock solid 100% money management system that fuels my buy-in stack, my reserve money and my locked-up money and cannot and will not ever lose win money.  If I win.  Three words are vital there and I have said that before, 'If I Win'.  I have lost, I never claimed to have won the past 39 times or 60+ trips etc., to the casino as others have on this very board. 

I am a long time player, a realist, a player that learned from the school of hard knocks about time playing and win money, etc.  I got deeper and deeper into the 'how's and whys' of the game of baccarat and they are pretty much spot on. 

Problem being here, I have a bit of fun with the newer players coming on the board with a few wins and their sudden spurts of 'never before found systems' no matter if they invented it the past few casinos visits or they purchased one of the thousands on the internet.  Because in all reality, those posts where someone suddenly won a few shoes or a few trips wagering 'so and so' after 'such and such' is nothing but comical, simply comical.   

[Babu]

No BABU, I did not.  If you are referring to the 'Pun' thread where I admitted no less than twice it was a 'Saturday Night Live' type of skit/analogy, whatever.  Magical dust and sprinkling Voodoo-have we ever done it at the big tables---sure.  Did we do it in the scientific and mathematical believes that cards change as I cited in a thread based on 'Pun'.  Come on man, seriously.  I do haz-mat spill release response for my career.  I am a serious guy to a point, but I have my outlets whether it is a 23 year old state police officer threatening me on the highway when he is clearly wrong or a baccarat player at the table shoving in a table max wager with the verbiage, 'I will make it cut', and he totally believe he can.  When I am in a situation I can exploit--laugh so hard I get a tear from my eye or two--and release some of the common and mundane day-to-day drift, so be it.   

I have said, I have a rock solid 100% money management system that fuels my buy-in stack, my reserve money and my locked-up money and cannot and will not ever lose win money.  If I win.  Three words are vital there and I have said that before, 'If I Win'.  I have lost, I never claimed to have won the past 39 times or 60+ trips etc., to the casino as others have on this very board. 

I am a long time player, a realist, a player that learned from the school of hard knocks about time playing and win money, etc.  I got deeper and deeper into the 'how's and whys' of the game of baccarat and they are pretty much spot on. 

Problem being here, I have a bit of fun with the newer players coming on the board with a few wins and their sudden spurts of 'never before found systems' no matter if they invented it the past few casinos visits or they purchased one of the thousands on the internet.  Because in all reality, those posts where someone suddenly won a few shoes or a few trips wagering 'so and so' after 'such and such' is nothing but comical, simply comical.

After two posts, I feel compel to respond now.  No worries Al.  Anyone here long enough knows that you were just having fun.  Anyone not getting that is just too unintelligent.  We all see the sarcasm in your posts regarding working systems.  I did fail to see any pun though.  Perhaps I need to spend more time and read a bit slower. 

We all know that there are other interesting things in life outside of our Baccarat world so we don't need to get serious all the time.

[alrelax]

After two posts, I feel compel to respond now.  No worries Al.  Anyone here long enough knows that you were just having fun.  Anyone not getting that is just too unintelligent.  We all see the sarcasm in your posts regarding working systems.  I did fail to see any pun though.  Perhaps I need to spend more time and read a bit slower. 

We all know that there are other interesting things in life outside of our Baccarat world so we don't need to get serious all the time.

Not to push the issue, but when I was back in New Jersey and New York I remember the Foxwoods Casino days when they had the for big tables in the high-limit room.  I had a buddy in the restaurant business also and we used to play there quite frequently. Whenever we needed that magical hand,  that little extra, he would sprinkle the magical dust on the cards he was looking at but of course he already knew what they were he was so fast and pulling them out of the shoe and seeing what the corners were, nobody would even know that he knew what they were. And when he was going for the long streak and everyone else was going for the cut, or if he was going for the cut and everybody was on the opposite side he would make a big to do with the magical dust. That made the games over the top, of course those were the big tables and things were certainly different.  Shoes took about  two and a half almost 3 hours a shoe and a different type of player was the norm--back prior to 2005.

[Babu]

Not to push the issue, but when I was back in New Jersey and New York I remember the Foxwoods Casino days when they had the for big tables in the high-limit room.  I had a buddy in the restaurant business also and we used to play there quite frequently. Whenever we needed that magical hand,  that little extra, he would sprinkle the magical dust on the cards he was looking at but of course he already knew what they were he was so fast and pulling them out of the shoe and seeing what the corners were, nobody would even know that he knew what they were. And when he was going for the long streak and everyone else was going for the cut, or if he was going for the cut and everybody was on the opposite side he would make a big to do with the magical dust. That made the games over the top, of course those were the big tables and things were certainly different.  Shoes took about  two and a half almost 3 hours a shoe and a different type of player was the norm--back prior to 2005.

I have a buddy that stares at the two words and it will tell him which side will win.  The words would pop out at him.  If it does nothing it was usually a tie or if he was really tired.  The fool would not help me because he doesn't believe in gambling.