Quote from: Jaguar88 on July 06, 2017, 07:59:10 PM
They are absolutely connected.   

No, they are not.  Sorry, I can't let you off the hook here as the performance world has been my domain for the last 10 years. 

Let's take another sport like golf.  Simple example, two people approach the tee with the same talent and skill level.  One has a free and clear mind, the other has a lot going on in his head and is a bit cloudy at the moment.   Who hits the ball well?

They both do. 

It's only when they THINK what's on their mind is important that it seems to effect their game - which is why I said it only appears that way.  It has absolutely no connection.   None.  If you want a performance variable then that comes from skill and talent, not state of mind. 

Sorry to derail the thread but this needs to be cleared up.   Happy to chat about this outside of your thread.

Quote from: 3Nine on July 06, 2017, 08:38:52 PM
No, they are not.  Sorry, I can't let you off the hook here as the performance world has been my domain for the last 10 years. 

Let's take another sport like golf.  Simple example, two people approach the tee with the same talent and skill level.  One has a free and clear mind, the other has a lot going on in his head and is a bit cloudy at the moment.   Who hits the ball well?

They both do. 

It's only when they THINK what's on their mind is important that it seems to effect their game - which is why I said it only appears that way.  It has absolutely no connection.   None.  If you want a performance variable then that comes from skill and talent, not state of mind. 

Sorry to derail the thread but this needs to be cleared up.   Happy to chat about this outside of your thread.

There are literally countless examples that support our view.  Outside factors can have everything do with performance. 

In your specific example with two golf players, absolutely if you were two test it out the player who is better set up for performance will perform better.  Whether it was their breakfast, their shoes, their clubs, traffic on the way, their lover, the last shot, the score so far, how they are playing, politics or whatever is on their mind throughout the course of play can improve or hinder their performance.  Whether it does, or their mental game allows it to occur, it has the same impact.

A person's mind is typically running on many different levels and most of them are sub conscious.

In fact, our position is that intangibles, factors outside of play, money management, and holding to stop limits and profit strategies are the most important factors to play for experienced players.

It only looks that way. 

You could make a case that open umbrellas cause overflowing sewers.  That doesn't make it true.

Quote from: 3Nine on July 06, 2017, 09:12:33 PM
It only looks that way. 

You could make a case that open umbrellas cause overflowing sewers.  That doesn't make it true.

You are speaking about things that are not relevant to each other.  What we present in Baccarat Player's Advantage is directly relevant and very real.  It is backed by real play in a real casino and experience over a substantial amount of time with consistent baccarat players.

It's extremely relevant and important to understand.

Anyway, good luck with the book sales.  Like I said, it seems well-written so I may take a closer look about the game. 

Speaking about life factors, energy and effective focus, time to play and time remaining to play, other players, travel to and from play, playing alone or in a group, borrowing and lending for play, the rituals of the game, where the action are at, etc. are directly relevant to baccarat.

Like we have stated repeatedly, what we present is grounded in real play not some simulations or theory.  Our book is not for everyone and we never intended it to be.  We couldn't care less, seriously.  We aren't going to post up defending this and that about our work or trivial matters like price, etc.  It really strikes as quite odd to see someone place serious 5 or 6 figures on one hand of baccarat and then entertain this kind of inquiry.  And we don't play at that level.

I think this sums up what we think about whether you buy our book:

Really? Then
A) why write it?
B) why promote it here?

Seems like nonsense to me. I hope your book makes more sense than that.

Quote from: 3Nine on July 06, 2017, 11:03:23 PM
Really? Then
A) why write it?
B) why promote it here?

Seems like nonsense to me. I hope your book makes more sense than that.

For the same reason many successful players post on BetSelection.cc when they really have no need or requirement.  There really is no need for us to go into such details as to why or about the content of the book when it is very clearly presented in the listing, and there is more than a sufficient preview.  Why do people develop books and all sorts of services related to poker?  Unlike baccarat, poker is direct competition with other players.

Furthermore, arguing that the sun does not rise in the south is really of no interest to us at all.

Quote from: Jaguar88 on July 06, 2017, 11:35:04 PM
For the same reason many successful players post on BetSelection.cc when they really have no need or requirement.  There really is no need for us to go into such details as to why or about the content of the book when it is very clearly presented in the listing, and there is more than a sufficient preview.  Why do people develop books and all sorts of services related to poker?  Unlike baccarat, poker is direct competition with other players.

Furthermore, arguing that the sun does not rise in the south is really of no interest to us at all.

You may want to hire someone with sales experience to promote your work.  You're failing miserably.  Most poker players write a book because they need money.  Hmm.

As for the sun comment, if that's directed towards me you may want to reconsider my earlier posts.  What I pointed to about the mind is a FACT.  What you're posting is your opinion and 'experience'

You just lost one sale.  I wonder how many others you don't care about.

Good luck.

Quote from: 3Nine on July 06, 2017, 11:51:18 PMI wonder how many others you don't care about.

All of them. 





We aren't going to entertain further discussion with you.  To summarize your statements today:
- You are new to baccarat.
- $50 is a lot of money.
- Psychological and other factors have no bearing on competitive activity.


We strongly recommend you look into sports psychology to start. How about Stanford University?

Stanford University
Sport Psychology Services

http://www.gostanford.com/news/2016/9/19/athletics-sport-psychology-services.aspx


Maybe the US Olympic Team is more your level?
'Exceptional mental skills are necessary for exceptional Olympic performance, and USOC psychologists work with the National Governing Bodies to help athletes best prepare for competition.'

http://www.teamusa.org/About-the-USOC/Athlete-Development/Sport-Performance/Psychology

Quote from: Jaguar88 on July 07, 2017, 12:19:26 AM
All of them. 

We aren't going to entertain further discussion with you.  To summarize your statements today:
- You are new to baccarat.
- $50 is a lot of money.
- Psychological and other factors have no bearing on competitive activity.


We strongly recommend you look into sports psychology to start. How about Stanford University?

Stanford University
Sport Psychology Services

http://www.gostanford.com/news/2016/9/19/athletics-sport-psychology-services.aspx

Nice try.  More assumptions.  How do you know I'm not a sport psychologist?

Who said $50 was a lot of money?  Another assumption.

And I NEVER said the third one.  What I said was EXTERNAL factors have no bearing on your INTERNAL experience.  Do you change the score of a game by looking at the scoreboard?  It is not cause/effect. It does not work that way. 

The first is the only true thing you wrote (new to baccarat) but that has NOTHING to do with finances. I don't need to play baccarat or sell books for money. 

I also don't need to pool my money with a "team"

Well, people.  I hope this all cleared up 'his' book for you, too. 

3Nine,

  You might want to tone down your baiting in order for this discussion to continue.

  Serious questions are always acceptable but leading or taunting is not, at least not after the first 20 or so like so many do here.

  AD

Quote from: 3Nine on July 07, 2017, 12:26:56 AM
What I said was EXTERNAL factors have no bearing on your INTERNAL experience.  Do you change the score of a game by looking at the scoreboard?  It is not cause/effect. It does not work that way.

This sums up what you have presented today.  EXTERNAL factors have no bearing on your INTERNAL experience.  Are you joking? 

EVERYTHING CAN HAVE A BEARING on competition.  As we stated, we aren't going to continue entertaining your argument that the sun rises in the south.

Quote from: ADulay on July 07, 2017, 12:33:38 AM
3Nine,

  You might want to tone down your baiting in order for this discussion to continue.

  Serious questions are always acceptable but leading or taunting is not, at least not after the first 20 or so like so many do here.

  AD

Seriously? There is no discussion and I don't care if it continues.  He's here to sell books, period.
Apologies for speaking the truth.  I'm out.