Terrible 2's or 2's are a common formation in a baccarat shoe.  Although it is possible to encounter clean, strong formation of 2's as in the first example, you most likely will see one or more breaks along the way as shown in the second example.

It is decision making on the plays subsequent to a break that can make a big difference.  If a formation is strong, it is most likely best to have a bias to it continuing after the first break.  One could also sideline with no bet to see the outcome of the next few hands.

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Recognize anyone?

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This is what they look like on game day...

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What does mastery in business and sales have to do with winning baccarat?

If you put in work, you will see results. Train like you're playing and play like you train. Never stop learning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBF0nZ_Kfag

The number one reason players do not capitalize on strong formations in baccarat is that they are not prepared. It can be very hard to have confidence that such strong formations can continue on and on.

Winning preparation includes thinking out ways that you will play out such a formation in advance in terms of following what the baccarat shoe is showing and positive progression and adjustments in bet size.

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The debate rages on non-stop.  In one camp, there are people who clearly don't play that drone on an on and on about 'the long run', 'success rate over x many trials', theoretical concepts, statistics, etc.  They will never stop searching for the holy grail that they think they can find.  They will never understand a modern shuffled and cut baccarat shoe or the strategy of playing into what a shoe is showing.  They will never understand the casino dynamic because they never go.

In the other camp you have those hard at work mastering the fundamentals of the game who bleed in training with the goals of bleeding less in real play.  Those who are into the night at insane hours with their brothers and sisters on both sides of the table.  Those that produce real win.

Which camp do you want to be in?

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We don't know which is worse.  The statistical and mathematical psycho babble that rages on non-stop from people that clearly don't play baccarat at all, but will tell you all about house edge and 'In the long run', or the posers that rip on anyone who presents insight into the game.  WHO DO YOU THINK IS USING INSIGHT INTO THE GAME THEY WRITE?

This is a set of notes on a white board from the New England Patriots who staged the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history to win Super Bowl LI.  Want to see their playbook?  We bet it's in a book!

Baccarat Player's Advantage is a summation of thousands upon thousand of hours of real play.

If you are looking for easy, GO HOME.  If you want to be real and start getting results, PUT IN WORK!

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"We don't know which is worse.  The statistical and mathematical psycho babble that rages on non-stop from people that clearly don't play baccarat at all, but will tell you all about house edge and 'In the long run', or the posers that rip on anyone who presents insight into the game.  WHO DO YOU THINK IS USING INSIGHT INTO THE GAME THEY WRITE?"= (Careful Jaguar--makes too much sense!)

I have wrote extensively on frame-of-mind, psych, players, dealers, the game, the mind, effects on players that hurt players, etc.., etc. etc.  This game of baccarat has nothing to do with what so many think, 'find a magical path to follow and clean house on the casino' such as so many systems sellers and people attempt to con people into thinking, in order to sell their magical system, etc.'

What Jaguar is saying, hard work, more to it, etc., is absolutely 1,000,000% correct and spot on.  I have sat down and lost $25k, $50k and, as well as $3k.  I have sat down and won, $10k, $30k, $90k, $150k, etc.  It is 100% possible.  Not every time, no possible physical  way whatsoever.  However, if you really get into your frame-of-mind, the game, the reasoning's, the variation, the happenings, the players, the people, the casino's offerings, the possibilities, your psych, etc., etc., etc., you will be sitting a great seat to be able to clean-house on the casino when the opportunity is presenting itself, IF YOU HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT, and it has nothing at all to do with following a magical newly discovered $49.99 or a $1,500.00 set wagering pattern sold to you. 

As Jaguar said, it is hard work, trial and error, knowing whom to get your info from, knowing what you can and cannot do, knowing what systems are and how they work and when they work, knowing your thoughts, reactions, reserves and all that.  Knowing what to do with the win money and everything that is going to happen with win money if you use it solely for aggressive progressions to smack the casino, etc.  It is not easy, but once you figure it out, it really is 'almost' easy.

Quote from: alrelax on August 23, 2017, 02:24:52 PM
"We don't know which is worse.  The statistical and mathematical psycho babble that rages on non-stop from people that clearly don't play baccarat at all, but will tell you all about house edge and 'In the long run', or the posers that rip on anyone who presents insight into the game.  WHO DO YOU THINK IS USING INSIGHT INTO THE GAME THEY WRITE?"= (Careful Jaguar--makes too much sense!)

I have wrote extensively on frame-of-mind, psych, players, dealers, the game, the mind, effects on players that hurt players, etc.., etc. etc.  This game of baccarat has nothing to do with what so many think, 'find a magical path to follow and clean house on the casino' such as so many systems sellers and people attempt to con people into thinking, in order to sell their magical system, etc.'

What Jaguar is saying, hard work, more to it, etc., is absolutely 1,000,000% correct and spot on.  I have sat down and lost $25k, $50k and, as well as $3k.  I have sat down and won, $10k, $30k, $90k, $150k, etc.  It is 100% possible.  Not every time, no possible physical  way whatsoever.  However, if you really get into your frame-of-mind, the game, the reasoning's, the variation, the happenings, the players, the people, the casino's offerings, the possibilities, your psych, etc., etc., etc., you will be sitting a great seat to be able to clean-house on the casino when the opportunity is presenting itself, IF YOU HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT, and it has nothing at all to do with following a magical newly discovered $49.99 or a $1,500.00 set wagering pattern sold to you. 

As Jaguar said, it is hard work, trial and error, knowing whom to get your info from, knowing what you can and cannot do, knowing what systems are and how they work and when they work, knowing your thoughts, reactions, reserves and all that.  Knowing what to do with the win money and everything that is going to happen with win money if you use it solely for aggressive progressions to smack the casino, etc.  It is not easy, but once you figure it out, it really is 'almost' easy.

Thank you so much for this comment!  We are aligned in our view and understanding of the game with what you have shared with everyone about it and really learn a lot from your perspective on the game.  This is a position that gets burned in from playing among players for countless hours, doing things right and doing things wrong, and watching others do the same. 

We should always be aware of how easy it is to fall down from progress made whether it is over the last several hands, that night, or that week.  One of the worst things that can happen is to experience an outsized gain on a night start to slip away with consecutive losses because it is very easy to have thoughts that 'you are owed a certain amount of win'.  And there are so many scenarios where you really have to reign in your decision making and make the smartest moves possible either to capitalize or mitigate a bad streak.

A Tale of 4 Players:

This example shows how a player's position can greatly affect their view and mindset towards the play at hand.  With this formation we would advise betting on Bank only, staying on the sideline if you think you came in too late, or betting high payout only.

Player 1 has been at this table for quite a while.  They were able to catch some wins on the 4 Bank in a row that just occurred and then are in a great position by starting to bet on Bank again after two Players and one Bank transpired.  Although they lost on the 3rd Bank in a row by betting Player for a possible 2's formation, they decided to bet Bank on very next hand.  They took the risk to stay on what is now a very long Bank Dragon Tail of 9 Bank in a row.  They play in line with the strong formation at hand. 

They are betting high payout bets along the way and are well up no matter what happens this hand.  In addition to the game, their mind is drifting to thinking about the very attractive dealer and the players sitting at position 2 and 3 who clearly are dressed to kill and have been very fun to play with.  This formation has made a good part of their night and they are enjoying every minute of it.

Player 2 stepped in on this long Bank Dragon at win number 7 in a row, capturing 8 and 9.  They are now at 2 wins and 0 losses going into the next play so unless they are into a heavy positive progression, they should come out ahead even if the next hand loses.  They are disappointed that they didn't see this earlier and get on what is clearly a strong formation.  They are looking to maximize the opportunity remaining by betting on Bank and also are making high payout bets.

Player 3 is on a 4 loss losing streak.  They are getting upset and wonder how they can be so unlucky over the last few hands.  They happen to notice the large number of players at this table and walk over to see this Long Bank Dragon.  Where have they been?  Why didn't they see this earlier?  They now see this is a more sure way to turn things around and get a win on the books.  They bet on Bank only even though they usually make high payout bets.

Player 4 is getting run over.  They thought that Player would win after 4 Bank wins in a row was reached a second time.  They then continued to bet Player repeatedly and with bigger size looking for a jump in the shoe to make up for their loss.  They are shocked that Bank continues to win and are now well in the red because they have continued to increase their bet size to taking a 5 consecutive loss hit.  Every negative thought and experience about the game is hammering down on them and they are almost wiped out.  How can this be happening?

The next hand is dealt.... Player Natural 9 win.

If you play the Baccarat Player's Advantage way, you will most likely have an experience very similar to Player 1, Player 2, and even Player 3, but never Player 4.

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The statistic experts and math wiz's certainly don't play (for real) only in their play minds on this board.  Correct.  Stats and math generally mean nothing and when it does--it is just a 'fleeting' coincidence.  Bottom line is, it makes everything else just as often in real life as it does a stat or a math 'has to', etc.

Players get 'sucked in' more so then anything else.  I wrote about it and Jaguar wrote some about it. 

The silliest thing and as well, the most insane thing about this game is, it is really NOT THAT HARD, once you understand everything but (BUT-NOT) statistics and the math, which mean nothing like I said.

I am going to write a piece about this player, 'Amy' the other night, fits right perfectly here, 100%.  I will write it in my Blog where I post moist everything.  Thanks. 

Quote from: alrelax on August 24, 2017, 12:23:38 PM
The statistic experts and math wiz's certainly don't play (for real) only in their play minds on this board.  Correct.  Stats and math generally mean nothing and when it does--it is just a 'fleeting' coincidence.  Bottom line is, it makes everything else just as often in real life as it does a stat or a math 'has to', etc.

Players get 'sucked in' more so then anything else.  I wrote about it and Jaguar wrote some about it. 

The silliest thing and as well, the most insane thing about this game is, it is really NOT THAT HARD, once you understand everything but (BUT-NOT) statistics and the math, which mean nothing like I said.

I am going to write a piece about this player, 'Amy' the other night, fits right perfectly here, 100%.  I will write it in my Blog where I post moist everything.  Thanks.

Been tied up, but with a good amount at the tables throwing plays down range as hard as ever.  Do you have a link on the piece about the player you mention?  Thanks!

He is speaking about exactly what we do with baccarat all of the time.  Baccarat Player's Advantage will get your head in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSjYuDbDR2g&t=312s

Quote from: Jaguar88 on September 04, 2017, 12:55:04 PM
Been tied up, but with a good amount at the tables throwing plays down range as hard as ever.  Do you have a link on the piece about the player you mention?  Thanks!

These are people I play with regularly at the local casinos, not Vegas/AC and some of the larger properties in Southern California.  But as an overall view-observance over the past 7 years or so--these are very very common 'average' players with little or lots of funding, the game has changed in the years around 2004/5 to 2008 if you ask me.

http://betselection.cc/alrelax's-blog/mentality-more-than-anything-else!/

Also, this is related as well:

http://betselection.cc/alrelax's-blog/figuring-it-all-outtrying-to-make-it-less-complicated/


Side note:  I stopped by the one casino I played at Thursday and Friday nights as I wrote about also, did very well on Fortune 7's with $40-$50 out there a few times and caught the winning F-7's.  Anyway, last night, I was passing by and stopped in.  Bought in with an extremely low amount of money just to fiddle around with a very close buddy that i have not seen for a couple of months.  He was on something and had the feeling.  Pointed out to me what it was, had to due with winning hand point values, combined with the trend, and a couple of other things.  I am not one to bet a mechanical bet placement, and he does quite a bit.  But I saw what he did also and 'Amy' and another player that will constantly wager negative progression was well into it.  Out of at least 20 wagers we got 15 of them correct.  Every time, no--no way and I would never do it.  But it was there and when it is there---you HAVE TO TAKE it and not wager against it.  That is where the huge PSYCH factor comes into play I have wrote about extensively.  I turned a very small amount of money into about $2k in those hands, of course I should have been wagering $300 to $500 or even $700-$800.  But i was not in the mind frame to play, I know my buddy wagers almost similar to what he was preaching to me, but it was there and when it is there that is EZ-pickings.  'Amy' and the other players lost huge money, at least $25k wagering strictly pink chips in the 20 or so hands.  They hit a couple and started a come-back, but it was so obvious we were both wagering low on the side that we thought and out of sheer respect because we do get along for the other ones, we never made eye contact with them or their wagers before the cards came out.  'Amy' and the other guy got wiped out and the rest of the table did okay.   If the whole table was together, the camaraderie and the wins would have been huge, but people are far too stubborn and believe too much in their attempt to change the shoe presentments!!!!  And, almost all of their losses were over their instance to play the 'cut' when it was obviously strong and then when it was weak (chop-chop) they insisted on the repeats that never came.  The other things we were following were point value winnings and losings, which I rather not get into here because it only causes some members to blast back about superstitions, etc.

Sad but true.