Hi all. Enter your extreme shoes and sessions HERE. Thanks in advance,kfb


I'm always speaking with Bac players around the globe via WWW or sharing a table. We often discuss extreme shoes (played or heard about) as well as extreme sessions. Some we have witnessed firsthand and others we heard about from a Bac comrade, or we walked through a Bac pit and took a picture of a tote board.

I also like to chat with other players and with dealers and a common question I pose: What is the longest streak or craziest shoe you have ever dealt,...etc?

Since dealers often rotate through many different games (usually 20-30m each) they may not deal just Bac. However, I would guess they at least deal 2-4 bac games per shift multiplied by several years. So, most have observed alot of extreme shoes.

The most common response I receive re: longest same-side or opposite streak: 11-14ish. I found this a little surprising as I expected to hear reports with longer streaks.

Of course, we see many other streaks that are commonly ignored or seldom noted: 1-2,1-3,2-2 ,...etc.

My personal longest streak played (16 opps). I caught 13ish as best I recall. I've seen other non-traditional streaks such as a 15 in a row of 1-3:(BpppBppp) or 2-3,...etc. I've witnessed a couple shoes with 15-16 Ties.


I frequently have Bac comrades across USA market forward a pic of extreme streaks and I "think" a 25 P run and a 19B run have been the longest. These photos were taken in the morning after the previous night's tote board were still on display. So, who knows if real or not as I do know casinos can fake tote boards(At least they could at one time when the dealer entered each outcome manually).
I once observed a dealer enter three outcomes as he opened the table for the first session: BBB with a Dragon7. I was sitting behind his table at a vacant table sorting my scorecards. He then snickered /laughed with the pitboss. The pitboss just shook her head and walked away. In about 60seconds the table was full,lol.

*Recently I was discussing the above topic with a husband/wife dealer team that I have known for a couple decades. They have each dealt approximately 25-30 years.
The husband indicated their longest streak dealt was a 30P run.
The wife said a 28P run. The wife said it was a hi-limit room in Vegas and half the table busted their buyins(Some more than once), and the other half pressed to Tmax(10K) and collected to the end.

**I played recently with two players that indicated they played a shoe once that had 22 bonus bets wins (8deck shoe). They caught one bonus bet. This was a 5-Treasures Bac table that has numerous bonus bets. At one stage they said a long string of approx nine consecutive outcomes for P8/D7: p8,d7,p8,d7,...etc.


Thanks for reading and I look forward to your posts.

I have had countless extreme shoes but there's one from last night, that will stand out for a long time. I wasn't at my regular primary casino but I was at another property that I sometimes play at and I knew some of the people playing. I joined the game and it was near the end of the shoe, it was just winning a few and losing a few, not doing anything. Got into the new shoe after the shuffle and burn. 

It was late, after midnight, most of the faces were long with obviously lost funds.  I was next to a lady I have known from the casinos for several years now.  She was stacking her chips in what I call the pyramid style in front of her, which is three or four stacks against the rail and then one less stack in from the rail, then one less stack in from that and usually the header on it, so it's simply shaped like a pyramid. 

She had nine stacks of $250 each. She told me she won a few $250 bets and parlayed them to $500 and lost the $1000 wagers or won those $1000 wagers and lost the $2000 wagers.  After we played numerous hands sporadically, I looked and she had $2500 left. I had a little bit more than that but not much.  I asked her if she was going to buy-in again or what her plans were. This was turning out to be a win-push-grind down a little type of session.  Nothing really happening in so many words.  Then she told me she had several chances left trying to build out $250 each time, nine times. She told me she was into the session with the money on the table she had for $4000.

She stacked all of her chips together and said out loud, "I got to chance it and if I win this, I got my money back and I'm up a little bit and I'll leave, if I lose I'm going to leave". 

She turned to me and said, "come on let's do it, Bang Bang Bang on the Door Baby".  Oh yes, The B-52s, man she's trying everything I'm thinking to myself.  She really is a hype player and when she is hyped, she becomes real aggressive, seen it so many times. 

She puts the $2500 on banker, the hand goes quick with a 6 for the player and the bankers got a two card 7. She looked at me and said, "you really believed I was going to leave huh?".

She immediately stacks up the win on top of her wager, slides it down to players side, not one bit of hesitation.  But her hand is still on top.  I'm following her simply because she is on a mini roll and she is great about catching up and winning a few, exactly what she is in the process of doing.  She takes her hand off of her wager and announces, "let's roll".  She flops over a face card and a 5 for the players, the dealer flops over two face cards for the bankers.  She gets the third players card and sighs, exhales loudly and flips over a 7.  She says, "now we get reduced to a F******* 2!".  She stands up, leans in a bit and is pointing at the dealer in the process of flipping the bankers third card over.  Of course she as well as several others are loudly reciting, "Monkey-Monkey Time-Show Us That Monkey".  The dealer flops an ace!  She goes crazy!  High fives all around and fists pumping into the air.  Several large wagers were on that one. 

She is sitting with $10,000 now, roughly $7,500-$8,000 of win.  Looks at me and says, "whatcha think".  I said, "up to you, you call it".  I been mimicking her and I don't want to change anything.  She pushes it all up on the bankers side, but as normal she keeps her hand on top of it.  She has a table max wager and I am near the same.  She looks at me once more and says nothing, just looks.  She nods her head forward, as if saying, yes—no?  I push mine out on the bankers and say, "you work the cards, just do it". 

Cards come out and there are a few people wagering on the bankers with us and two others on the players.  Players return a 10 and a 3.  She works the bankers cards and goes through verbalizing what the lines are before looking at the corners.  She has a 4 line and a 3 line.  She turns and turns them and peels them both back.  A 9 and a 7.  Players return a 7 and she immediately goes into celebration status, "we got this, we got it!".  Dealer slides her the bankers third card.  She peeks at the side and mumbles a 2 line card, a 4 or 5.  She slid the card up a bit, still upside down, puts her finger smack in the middle of it and peels it back, while repeatedly saying, 5-5-5-5.  She flops a darn 4!  Tie hand.  She looks at me and of course, isn't very happy at all.

Now she is rushing the table.  She is leaving her wager on the bankers and while everyone else is fidgeting around with their wagers, she puts her hand on top of her table max wager.  Looks at me and says, "you know after something like that, it is usually a players natural coming out".  I said, "let's switch our wagers down to players".  She keeps her hand on her wager, still in the bankers spot.  She says at least three times that she doesn't like it.  Dealer taps the table twice, but she isn't paying attention.  She takes her hand off and proudly and clearly announces, that we are ready. 

Players return a 3 and a 2.  Dealer slides her the two bankers cards and she laterals them to me.  After the standard, "next time let me do that" from the dealer, I look at the cards.  I got a face card and either a 4 or 5 I tell her.  She is pleading for a 5 of course.  I saw the dot in the middle and without turning it over, tell her it's a 4.  She punches me in the shoulder telling me how she knows the players are either going to pull a monkey or a something small.  I flip the 5 and she smacks me once more and smiles a tiny bit.  The guy wagering the largest on the players peeks at his third card.  Throws it in face down after much ado.  Dealer flops the 8 the guy threw in.  My comrade is yelling, "snowman-hello beautiful snowman". 

We both color up.  Another one for the books. Short and sweet in many ways. 

SIDE-NOTE:  Camaraderie is great IMO, of course camaraderie does not and will not change values of what is set to be presented.  However, in many cases camaraderie allows many bac players (including myself) to wager larger amounts, hype a winning section or group of hands and other things that allow us to win larger and additional hands that we might not have have been able to do otherwise. 

Hi KFB!

Probably Alrelax have collected the greatest amount of deep 'dominant shoes' where one side seemed to be ignored by the cards.

I remember those live shoes:

1) An entire shoe only forming singles and doubles (no 3 streaks at either side)

2) A 22 blue streak at Cockroach road

3) An entire shoe not forming any single (but featuring very long B/P streaks)

4) An unbelievable 3-2-3-2-3-2-3-2-3-2-3-2 sequence that made a huge winner the only player at the table

5) 4 ties in a row by the exact 8 natural point

as.

Hi alrelax

Great cash extraction.

Your bac comrade:

"...Then she told me she had several chances left trying to build out $250 each time, nine times. She told me she was into the session with the money on the table she had for $4000.

She stacked all of her chips together and said out loud, "I got to chance it and if I win this, I got my money back and I'm up a little bit and I'll leave, if I lose I'm going to leave"...."

 that's crazy. Im glad it worked out well for her (& u). that's what is great about Bac is that one can have a subpar hit rate and then within 5 minutes and 2-3 consec wins suddenly have 10K or 5x buyin setting in front of you.

"...SIDE-NOTE:  Camaraderie is great IMO, of course camaraderie does not and will not change values of what is set to be presented.  However, in many cases camaraderie allows many bac players (including myself) to wager larger amounts, hype a winning section or group of hands and other things that allow us to win larger and additional hands that we might not have have been able to do otherwise. ..."


I agree that camaraderie can sometimes help us(or at least give us that extra nudge). I really like sharing the table with a couple veteran players that are serious/I know they study the game. Especially if I know them well enough so that we can discuss the current shoe/upcoming hand. "What are you thinking?", or "How strong do you feel?" , ...etc.


Congrats /thx for great trip report,

Hi AsymBacGuy. That is certainly an extreme list of outcomes.

Asym above:

"...1) An entire shoe only forming singles and doubles (no 3 streaks at either side)..."

that's a crazy anomaly.
I've only seen one shoe in my life that failed to produce at least one same-side streak >=3 IAR.


"...3) An entire shoe not forming any single (but featuring very long B/P streaks).."
   
    I have never observed such a shoe. Nor do I recall ever hearing of such. You may have a Guinness Book world record on that one,  .



Continued Success,

Hi KFB!

Here's the shoe I was talking about at point #3 (ties omitted):

PP
BBBBBBBBBBB
PPPPPPPP
BBB
PP
BB
PP
BB
PPPPP
BB
PPP
BBBBBBB
PPP
BB
PP
BB
PPPPPPPPPPPPPP
BBB

(Shuffle Master Machine, two alternated shoes used)

as.

Thx Asym


Do you think a "more" extreme presentation of outcomes is more probable to present in a 6-deck vs 8-deck shoe? Why or why not.



Thx in advance,