Here is a good example of when not to bet in streams...

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You can see the triggers are coming regularly in Stream 3 with no Wins inbetween.

There are 3 likely scenarios.

1) Frequent triggers with no wins inbetween (as in picture above) This is a no bet situation. The NO BET is probably a more important art to learn than an actual bet because it is the bad runs that will wipe away your session stake or bankroll if you are not careful. You certainly can't match the Casino in that department.

2) A steady win streak (even with the odd trigger in between)  Go for it and increase your bets well the good times roll.

3) No wins and not many triggers indicate you are getting a run of alternate sixlines appearing and this can be a cheap way to win some units. Why not consider a parlay in these situations. Take the example in the previous post where you could have bet for six-line 3 and 4 for 12 chips and then reinvested the 36 chip win onto six-line 4. That's 216 chips for a 12 chip stake for a lovely 17/1 winner.

cheers.

Quote from: BlueHood on March 26, 2015, 05:56:22 PM
Horus backwards is suroh (sorrow)?

What's to be unhappy about? Were alive aren't we?

I ran this on a bit....

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You can see Stream 3 was unplayable just repeating triggers.

Stream 1 was chopping between Trigger and Win and Stream 2 may be just starting to warm up a bit.

Now here is something simple enough that even Granny could play it. (no offence to grannies,lol)

The triggers are the same as explained above.

The difference is that this is geared up to just 4 sets of numbers instead of the six-lines.

1-9=1
10-18=2
19-27=3
28-36=4

This was Table 2 today at Spielbank Wiesbaden and it kicked some serious butt. (+171 in 58 spins is not bad)

N.B. = no bet when 2 consecutive triggers (T) come. Then it's just a case of waiting for a win before starting betting again.

cheers

Dozens/Columns here from Table 3.

Seems ok with this trigger concept!

I have noticed though in my testing (like early on here in the Columns) that you can get a chop going on between Win and (T)....something to look out for!

I thought maybe the 1-9, 10-18, 19-27, 28-36 results from table 2 yesterday were a fluke so I decided to try table 5 as well and see what happens. (Maybe these were a fluke as well, lol)

+126 in 55 spins. The double (T) kind of acts as a safety net I suppose.

Not a bad way to go for a (dare I say it) hit and run session.

How would I play it? I think running 3 streams like in some of my ideas above and then looking for a drawdown of between 50-75 units in any one stream and then looking for a correction may be one way to go.

I will try that idea with today's numbers from the Spielbank Wiesbaden Casino and see how it goes.

cheers

Here is what I kind of had in mind!

Stream 3 hits a drawdown of -45 (L,L,L,L,L) and then goes on a win streak to hit +63 (W,W,W,W). You could have had the 2nd, 3rd and 4th hits after seeing the first win for a profit of +81.

Of course it would need to be automated for online play unless you can get to one of those Novamatic Pinball Roulette Machines where you control the speed of your own game. (Found in most Grosvenor's)

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Here was a quick session just played at Dublinbet using just the 1st stream betting three £5 chips on the three streets to make up 9 numbers. (fun money unfortunately [smiley]aes/cry.png[/smiley])

0-300 in 26 spins is not bad!! Stopped at the double (T) on +225 on spin 31.

Excellent stuff as usual horus and thank you very much for your hard work and sharing it with us. I love reading your posts and my one of my favourite posters.

Just done my own Dublin Bet test and got + 252 points after 52 spins. Drawdowns were similar to yours 40 - 60 points and upside a lot more.

I have very limited time at the moment but will test as and when I can.

Cheers.   

Thanks very much klw for the feedback. This idea seems to work well whatever I try it on. Although I particularly like the 9 numbers version. It seems to be just the right balance. I will be testing this more myself for sure. It's something I wouldn't mind risking 5/6 losing bets on at the start just to see if it goes on one of those nice runs.

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Hi horus - Just did another DB session of 64 spins and had a losing steak of 13 losses followed by 1 win then another 7 losses , worst I've come across so far but it was always going to happen at some stage. I think you're right about the 5/6 losses , most losing streaks are done by about the 7th loss we just need to be prepared for those types of runs. As always bank roll management is the key.

Cheers.

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Thanks klw,

That's what got me thinking about using a few streams and tracking for a stream which has suffered some losses like you describe and then look for a correction. Of course there is nothing to say that you might not get another 6/7 losses afer something like 6L 1W 7L 1W.

A lot of the sessions I tested started really well and the losing streaks were cushioned. Using a couple of streams means you wouldn't be waiting too long to find something like what you mentioned above. Then it would be a case of going with the flow and maybe stopping at the first double (T). I don't think it would be a good idea to go chasing this idea with any kind of negative progression. Mind you, that's just my personal preference. I would rather attack with a positive progression (if anything) when things were going well like in some of my tests where the wins were coming thick and fast. I will keep testing and let you know how it goes.

Thanks again.

I think I have found the optimal way to play this trigger concept. However this turns the game into more of a grind and you probably need to get out when you reach any profit (which is no bad thing) otherwise you may find yourself sitting at the table for a long time.

What I am doing here is playing 3 streams and converting the numbers into Streets (123, 456 etc..)

I look for the most recent double of a street using the same trigger concept across all the 3 streams. It doesn't throw up as many bets this way as with the 9 number bet.

The example explains the rules and you could have got out of the game twice with a profit.

spin 35. +21 units.

or

spin 111. +12 units.

Also instead of stopping after two consecutive triggers, I decided to let this one run to three. Anybody could adjust that rule to suit themself. You could also incorporate some kind of MM playing this way as well. I was thinking of Ralph's idea where he just played single numbers and increased a unit on a win if he was not in profit. That idea seemed to work well for him and he was betting every spin. He was waiting for a small cluster of wins which would take him to a new high. With this idea, you are definately not betting every spin because you are waiting for a W before getting back into the game. The betting windows are very narrow.

I didn't particularly have any luck in the test sample which you can see below and yet it still provided an opportunity to profit twice. There will be other sessions where you get a lot of close repeats of a street (especially over 3 streams) and make some good profits.

This looks to be the best way to get this trigger concept to work IMO.

cheers

In this game from Table 5 yesterday...you could get out at spin 17 with +6. I would play this idea in a type of mini-games format (similar to Ralph's idea) and keep resetting after reaching a profit or quit for the day. I liked Ralph's thinking, but I didn't like the idea of betting every spin where you could get some steep drawdowns. That's ok for online playing in pennies or 10c. But in live play you have to make it worth your while. So this trigger concept seems to block out a lot of the losing runs and then you are hopefully there to cash in on the cluster.